Problem with Larry @ Chapter 1 (Spoilers regarding end)
Hey guys, first post here and I hope to contribute more during the releases of the Walking Dead episodes.
Let me start by saying that this is only my second Telltale (Hector being the 1st) game that I've bought, however I've been a fan of point/click adventures since I had the capacity to play them and bought this game purely on the impression that the demo left me with.
The only gripe I have about this game is at the end when it demonstrates who you had sided with, Larry or Kenny.
Being a predominant Kenny supporter I was amazed to find out that I had apparently sided with the enemy, even though all of my choices were pro Kenny+Doug apart from one little line that should've had some neutrality. That choice is by trying to reason with Larry about what happens to Duck, even if you had followed up the conversation afterwards backing up Kenny it still shows that apparently I had sided with Larry.
Considering that 50%+ of the user base had also sided with him leads me to think that a lot of us ended up mistakenly supporting someone we didn't intend to.
What's the community's thoughts on this?
Let me start by saying that this is only my second Telltale (Hector being the 1st) game that I've bought, however I've been a fan of point/click adventures since I had the capacity to play them and bought this game purely on the impression that the demo left me with.
The only gripe I have about this game is at the end when it demonstrates who you had sided with, Larry or Kenny.
Being a predominant Kenny supporter I was amazed to find out that I had apparently sided with the enemy, even though all of my choices were pro Kenny+Doug apart from one little line that should've had some neutrality. That choice is by trying to reason with Larry about what happens to Duck, even if you had followed up the conversation afterwards backing up Kenny it still shows that apparently I had sided with Larry.
Considering that 50%+ of the user base had also sided with him leads me to think that a lot of us ended up mistakenly supporting someone we didn't intend to.
What's the community's thoughts on this?
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"We Kick His Ass"
"We Reason With Him"
What was the third one?
I would think it would have been "Kick his ass" for Kenny
"Reason" Neutral and the third one be
"Throw Duck out" for Larry.
Kinda wierd reasoning is pro Larry....
"It's him or Duck" Which is pro Kenny, Lee talks about throwing Larry out to the walkers.
"Kick his arse" Obviously a pro Kenny choice
"Reason with him" The situation is offered by Lee as an alternative, Kenny says the only way you can reason with him is by chopping Larry up with an Axe "Nobody threatens my boy"
"..." I rarely use this option but I can see it being a negative since Kenny is asking for your backup.
Agree with this.
The last choice you make are two options for Kenny (punch him or state that NO ONE will touch Duck) and the other options for Larry (I can't remember which 'cause I discard them at once, lol).
In my game I chose the second option and the game says that I'm with Larry. WHAT???
Obviously it's a bug.
That was my assumption, on my first playthrough I tried to reason with Larry and the second conversation choice I told Kenny to hit Larry (Due to timer nearly running out).
At the end of the chapter it still said I had sided with Larry though.
In the Which decisions are important thread, Jake from TTG stated So, even the smaller, seemingly insignificant dialogue choices could have major impact later.
I think there may be some confusion between the overall choice and the story notifications during the conversation. With the story notifications on, any time you make a neutral, or obvious negative Duck choice through that entire conversation, it relays to you that you did not back Kenny up. What you choose at the end dictates the overall choice of the conversation. With what Jake said about decisions, however, anything can come back and bite you in the ass.
Edit: However, rereading your post, Nosphorus, has made me think the end might not be a completely hard and fast choice. The decisions throughout the conversation may be weighted. The final choice may not have enough weight to counteract all neutral/negative choices in the rest of it.
We're not talking about which decisions will be significant in the future. We are only discussing about the statistics at the end of episode 1. There is a bug.
In the game, if I threat Larry with punching him if he touches to Duck... is that being with Larry? I think NOT at all.
Telling to Kenny that he would reason with him instead of fighting it's not being agree with Larry either.
Punching him it's a radical way, but you're not with Larry either.
I think that the last part of the conversation it's determinant to know if Lee it's with Kenny or Larry, that's all.
During the conversation...
Neutral choice #1 = -2 points
Neutral choice #2 = -3 points
Final "Hit him Kenny" choice = +4 points
Final "No!" (where Lee tangles with Larry) = +6 points
By making all neutral choices until the very end, in one instance you would be -1 point to siding with Kenny (or +1 siding with Larry), but in the other you would be +1 to siding with Kenny.
There is also a bug in the stats when it says I was honest with Hershel. No way, he catches me lying to him even.
He's just a boy
Deal with it
We do what you say
...
The rest of the conversations don't directly have Kenny's input so I can't really see why they'd be weighted, and if they were weighted to that equivalent that'd be pretty illogical having them not balance each other out or atleast have similar numbers at the different spectrums (+3 NO!!! +6 Kenny hit him -3 I'm sorry Kenny -6 You're right).
Although don't you think it was weird that most of the playerbase (52-54%+) sided with Larry over Kenny? That doesn't seem intended and I doubt anyone would willingly side with Larry unless they wanted what I'd call an asshole playthrough.
Yes, you're right. The game counts that you sided with Kenny. I had that trailer too.
The bug it's in the stats so it would be easy to fix. In the stats said that I was honest with Hershell and that's false too.
I chose Reason With Him, then something about leaving Duck alone. The next thing Larry says is something about how if the boy is bit, we should get rid of him. There's an option in there which is really poorly labelled, something like "Then we throw him out".
I read this as "Then we throw him out" as in "If he's bit, we throw him out." What this actually meant was "Oh well then, let's throw him out now" and Kenny (and me) is rightfully upset. The final choice I made was that if Larry was to touch the boy, he'd have to kill me first.
The game treated me as if I had sided with Kenny, but the stats said Larry. My guess is it's because I acted peacemaker, then accidentally sided with Larry, but ended up with siding with Kenny. Maybe any siding with Larry is what counts in the stats.
I was all ready to reload before the autosave after the mislabeled choice. I was going to be pretty upset if Duck got tossed out by accident.
Yeah that was odd.
Once I went for another playthrough on my "I hate Kenny Rampage" I wanted to choose something that was not on Kenny's side but also not on Larry's side. But the game end up making Lee start yelling and what not.