Do not underestimate the value of a good shot! (spoilers)
There are some spoilers in this post, I should warn of that first.
I see a lot of people making a big mistake and choosing Doug over Carly. I believe most people do not understand how much practice and time goes into becoming highly proficient with a firearm. You can't just learn overnight, or even over a few weeks, how to fire that quickly and with the amazing degree of accuracy while under stress like Carly can.
From personal experience - It takes many thousands of rounds and hundreds of hours of practice to become that good with a firearm. Now realize what situation you are in. Do you really expect to come upon caches of perhaps a few hundred thousand rounds of ammunition to practice with? And when are you going to spend the hundreds of hours of range time it would take to get proficient enough to get snap headshots reliably while under stressful situations like Carly can?
Also consider how often are you going to run into places with working electricity and the type of equipment which Doug is skilled in. Do you expect to see that sort of thing often? How much will it save your life? Now consider how often an expert pistol shooter will be useful and how many times that will save your life.
During the course of the first episode Carly saved the main characters life and several other party members Twice! And Carly was useful 4 times if you count the pillow and the scene near the end where she's holding off the horde. So she can't put a battery in straight, does that really matter in the world you are now in? Now lets tally up Doug's usefulness - Once, maybe as a distraction. Oh, and to be fair, he was able to lean up against a barricade for a few seconds. And now that the power is out wide-scale, his usefulness will go down tremendously.
As for his skill with electricity in general, I would trust Lily for that. A good mechanic has a much better grasp of general repair work and electrical systems than any computer nerd I have ever met.
So in order of usefulness Carly/Lily are right at the top going purely by known skill sets.
I see a lot of people making a big mistake and choosing Doug over Carly. I believe most people do not understand how much practice and time goes into becoming highly proficient with a firearm. You can't just learn overnight, or even over a few weeks, how to fire that quickly and with the amazing degree of accuracy while under stress like Carly can.
From personal experience - It takes many thousands of rounds and hundreds of hours of practice to become that good with a firearm. Now realize what situation you are in. Do you really expect to come upon caches of perhaps a few hundred thousand rounds of ammunition to practice with? And when are you going to spend the hundreds of hours of range time it would take to get proficient enough to get snap headshots reliably while under stressful situations like Carly can?
Also consider how often are you going to run into places with working electricity and the type of equipment which Doug is skilled in. Do you expect to see that sort of thing often? How much will it save your life? Now consider how often an expert pistol shooter will be useful and how many times that will save your life.
During the course of the first episode Carly saved the main characters life and several other party members Twice! And Carly was useful 4 times if you count the pillow and the scene near the end where she's holding off the horde. So she can't put a battery in straight, does that really matter in the world you are now in? Now lets tally up Doug's usefulness - Once, maybe as a distraction. Oh, and to be fair, he was able to lean up against a barricade for a few seconds. And now that the power is out wide-scale, his usefulness will go down tremendously.
As for his skill with electricity in general, I would trust Lily for that. A good mechanic has a much better grasp of general repair work and electrical systems than any computer nerd I have ever met.
So in order of usefulness Carly/Lily are right at the top going purely by known skill sets.
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I like Carley, and I feel like Lee owes her. I tend to go for the people that saved Lee, but she wasn't that great a shot. Most of her kills were at close range. I'd love to meet a sniper like Andrea or a hunter with traps.
As for Lily, I'm sure she is a great mechanic but do you trust her? I also think Lily might be a better shot than Carley. I assume that anyone who works at an airforce base has gone through basic training?
A good test is to sprint 50 yards or so, then without pausing to rest, pull out your pistol and try to hit a moving object the size of a head which is between 3 and 10 yards away. The sprinting will simulate what you will be dealing with in terms of adrenalin and increased heart rate that fighting for your life will give you. Hitting your target while in this condition is a LOT harder than you think.
Also, if you side with Lily's dad she opens up to you in subsequent conversations which seem to indicate that she is a reliable caring individual.
One other thing, firearms is a perishable skill. If you do not practice regularly it degrades over time. So even if someone went through basic training if they have not maintained that skill, they will not be as proficient as someone who had.
Silencers reduce the sound of a gun, but hardly silence them.
Bow and arrow is way better (plus, a layperson can actually fletch if they have a dowel rod, a knife, and bird feathers or plastic bits).
Personally, I'd go with incendiaries or yo-yos. (Before you knock the idea of a yo-yo, they can be made from a rock as a retrievable quiet projectile. Despite popular myth, they were not originally designed as weapons, however.)
Also anyone can be stealthy. When Carly comes with you to the motel to help rescue Glenn, she is quite stealthy there. Certainly you may not always want to use a firearm. But it is very nice to have the option in an emergency.
Of all the games that Comrade Pants didn't buy and all the threads that he didn't post in...
...and isn't it a cruel strike of fate that you can't decide?
no. I don't care too much.
Ok. I had a long post about each individual point and why you are wrong, but it didn't save so I'll just brush it over really fast.
To sum things up. Carley is not a crack shot, and Telltale need to stop deleting my long posts:p
1. 5 feet or not, a gun in an emergency when it comes to saving survivors is not a bad thing..the noise it brought wouldn't have mattered anyway, because it was Kenny's yelling that already brought attention to them. That, and a gun saves time with a well-placed headshot than just rushing up and tackling the zombie(s) and risking getting bitten.
2. Carly very well saved Lee's life on MY game. I didn't mash the X button fast enough to completely connect the 2 arrows, so she shot the toilet-dwelling zombie for me. And Duck's life or not, she still saved a life.
3. I'm sure she'd rather keep her ammo in her purse, where it can't be stolen from her, much more by the careless Duck who might be a little TOO curious with it. Also, if she knew zombies would full-on assault the doors and entrances like they did, she would've kept her purse more within reach. I know I would've.
not sure that saving an obese man who can programme a tv remote in a situation were tvs are obsolete and technology is very rare is "rational", especially as my "rational" thought made me choose the thick woman so i could let her die when the gun is in my posession...
Because someone who isn't going to tell the rest of the group despite knowing is such a danger to you especially when another member of the group knows and will most likely tell them without a second thought if he thinks it will benefit him somehow. I think it's more useful to have someone who already knows and isn't so bothered by it to the point that she's willing to keep that secret than someone who doesn't know and we have no idea how he'll react to that information.
Guns in this situation allow you to maintain a more desirable safe zone. Sure they attract walkers, but unless you're injured or weak, you can probably evade any you come across while escaping.
We shouldn't immediately discount the use of a good firearm and consequently a good shot. Guns have an appropriate time just as a good melee weapon does. Yes, melee weapons are probably a better decision for most situations. But in some situations like being overrun, melee attacks put you at a high risk of injury/infection than using a gun to clear a path to safety.
Doug actually says he wished you picked Carly over him.
Would you honestly say "Lee Help! I'm being Grabbed By Zombies and drug out the window to be eaten Oh hey Carley's in Trouble you should help her first and if you still have time afterwards could you do me a favor and help me out of this predicament?" While being grabbed by zombies?
I'm Pretty Sure even a Hero wouldn't be that ... Verbose when being grabbed.
Besides I think Lee said it best to kenny "Looking back you think you had a choice but in that moment when it happens there was never really a choice"
Doug Panicked Carley Panicked they both needed help Lee Made a Choice. Doug felt guilty that the girl he liked got killed because he was in trouble and Lee could only save one. But in that moment when all hell broke loose he wasn't thinking about Carley or Lee he was thinking about his own survival.
and you would be the same way Lachi. You might be noble enough to play the role of Bill from Left 4 Dead and stay behind to hold off the route for others to escape.. But when your grabbed but not bitten yet. You wouldnt be focused on if that girl/boy you like and would die for is in trouble you'd be focused on how to escape from your own predicament then if you got saved and it turned out your life was saved but the boy/girl you like died because of it you'd probably feel as guilty as doug.
But now back to topic:
I don't know if this has been mentioned but Carleys gun is empty. After seeing Doug die, she emptied her last clip on random zombies. Makes her gun useless and says something about her mind.
Not to mention the reason he died. Carly at least had the common sense to stay back from the window a bit so she could shoot them. What did Doug do? Oh yeah, the idiot leans against a half barred window, instead of grabbing a weapon and staying out of reach. He leans against the wood where the zombies can easily reach for him through the planks and then is surprised he gets grabbed. Why the heck was he leaning against it anyway? That had to be the most stupid thing to do.
I say this because of all the options in Episode 1 this choice seemed tactically the most grey to me. For example: There really doesn't seem to be a point in lying to Herschel since he knows you are lying to him if you do, or whether or not you choose to give Irene the gun she ends up killing herself anyway. (Perhaps further into the story these choices will have far reaching consequences, but that remains to be seen.)
However, with the Carly vs Doug option it seems certain to me the group is going to gain/retain something while lose something else. The game implies that both these characters have their own varied skills and strengths, and both have proven to be heroic in their own way. To suggest otherwise, I think, is allowing bias to cloud your judgment. Perhaps one will be ultimately turn out to be more valuable when overcoming future obstacles, but that is only going to be determined in hindsight (much like all our other choices thus far).
Ultimately the best choice is the one you feel the most comfortable with, but I don’t think either choice is wrong
series: preacher
context: saint of killers just got hit with a nuke
Yes please! but ehm, how?
i watched sons of guns/ american guns
they have done zombie guns.
and they did make a .22 winchester and a .22 bullpup/p90 hybrid and full army spec m16 i think with nade launcher