Exactly. They used one of the most hated characters, and used him to make an incredible scene. Most of the people that hated Larry, tried to help him. If they can make Duck's death shocking, sad and emotional, even for the haters, then I will clap.
Touchwood, but what if they stuff up Duck's death so bad we feel compelled to choose the other option out of principle?
I like Duck, don't love him, but if I could choose between saving him or don't I would save him. I wouldn't kill him just because he his annoying, and I know some people say that he killed Shawn, but he is just a kid, and I hope he doesn't make any shit that ruins our group.
There is a Lee death scene, in the drug store I believe, in which Clementine is eaten by a zombie partially offscreen. I was very skeptical about the possibility, but now believe it's within the realm of the game's reality.
How do you know if it will be PC only, if so that is dumb, you get fans that my it on PS3 and Xbox and Mac and they just make it for one system.
If that is the case I am not spending money to upgrade my computer to play one game.
if you hang out on the forums enough you'll notice i make alot of wild assumptions. However in this case this is based on Sam and Max Season one and two being on xbox but not season three despite season three being out and released for others to play. the other assumption being PC games can get away with a lot more the console games
If it was real life, or if I liked Duck more, I'd save him. As it is, he's contributed to Shawn's death and is oblivious to everything around him, so he's a liability to my Lee.
Depicting the deaths of children in games is kind of a complicated subject.
Depicting their deaths is semi acceptable in the industry via cut scenes or story arcs where the player has absolutely no control and in no way responsible or is causing the death. Kind of like the CoD cut scenes that have kids dying in terrorist attacks and all that.
What developers seem to be shit scared of is actually having the player do it, which gave us the unkillable children in the Fallout games. Bonus points to the latest Jagged Alliance game, where the little bastards would crowd around hallways in the middle of a firefight and block your path as well as blocking bullets meant for other targets with their little faces. I found myself wishing I could clear out the hallways with a well placed grenade quite often....
In the case of TWD, this basically is a cutscene game and they have full control over who kills whom and who dies how, so they can kill off Duck in an "acceptable" way. Clem's way too important to the story though, she's got too many layers of plot armor to go down imo.
if you hang out on the forums enough you'll notice i make alot of wild assumptions. However in this case this is based on Sam and Max Season one and two being on xbox but not season three despite season three being out and released for others to play. the other assumption being PC games can get away with a lot more the console games
Sam & Max Season Three got a console release from the beginning. It was released on PlayStation 3 at the same time as the PC and Mac release.
We don't know for sure what systems will be getting The Walking Dead Season Two, but the first season topped the charts on XBLA and PSN. Because of the large amount of sales of season one on consoles, I'd say it's a safe bet that season two will get console releases as well.
It didn't, but I was pointing out that it's not logical to jump to conclusions that The Walking Dead season two would only get a PC release because Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse wasn't released for Xbox 360 (since Sam & Max Season Three was released for a console: PlayStation 3).
Regardless, The Walking Dead Season Two's release platforms will be determinant on the first season of The Walking Dead's sales performance, not on Sam & Max Season Three. The first season of The Walking Dead is selling really well on consoles, so it's highly likely season two will come to consoles.
It didn't, but I was pointing out that it's not logical to jump to conclusions that The Walking Dead season two would only get a PC release because Sam & Max Season Three wasn't released for Xbox 360. It was released for PlayStation 3, and that's a console, not a PC.
Regardless, The Walking Dead Season Two's release platforms will be determinant on the first season of The Walking Dead's sales performance, not on Sam & Max Season Three. And, as I stated, the first season of The Walking Dead is selling really well on consoles.
can't you argue the point about pc games get away with more? because it'd be a little more interesting. also
if you hang out on the forums enough you'll notice i make alot of wild assumptions. However in this case this is based on Sam and Max Season one and two being on xbox but not season three despite season three being out and released for others to play. the other assumption being PC games can get away with a lot more the console games
notice how i didn't imply sam and max season three wasnt on console just not on xbox the word console came in for with getting away with less then pc
Exactly. They used one of the most hated characters, and used him to make an incredible scene. Most of the people that hated Larry, tried to help him. If they can make Duck's death shocking, sad and emotional, even for the haters, then I will clap.
As I've said before, I'd be impressed if they managed to make Duck's death anything other than a Narm moment.
can't you argue the point about pc games get away with more? because it'd be a little more interesting.
PC games can only get away with more if they're not rated by rating agencies such as the ESRB or PEGI. Telltale is at a point where they are no longer an indie developer, but are now a mid-range developer and publisher. It's unlikely they'd forgo the income from the console releases just so they could avoid the rating agencies. Not to mention, it might be considered bad form for them to purposefully avoid the games ratings, and could cause them unwanted trouble with the rating agencies with their future titles.
PC games can only get away with more if they're not rated by rating agencies such as the ESRB or PEGI. Telltale is at a point where they are no longer an indie developer, but are now a mid-range developer and publisher. It's unlikely they'd forgo the income from the console releases just so they could avoid the rating agencies. Not to mention, it might be considered bad form for them to purposefully avoid the games ratings, and could cause them unwanted trouble with the rating agencies with their future titles.
Where does the idea that PC games can be more explicit than consoles come from? I can't think of any good examples. Can anyone enlighten, or is that as baseless as I think it is?
Where does the idea that PC games can be more explicit than consoles come from? I can't think of any good examples. Can anyone enlighten, or is that as baseless as I think it is?
The columbine school shooting games come to mind. But I'm not aware of any commercial games that have done this.
There's my point, those are PC *only* games. There's nothing to suggest consoles wouldn't have the save content if they were available for them.
Consoles require ratings from ratings agencies. These games never be able to get a rating less than AO from ESRB without cutting content, and the console makers don't allow AO games on their systems.
Consoles require ratings from ratings agencies. The Columbine School shooting games in particular would never be able to get a rating less than AO from ESRB due to content, and the console makers don't allow AO games on their systems.
I think you're missing the point of my original post, which is that there is no way a major developer would release a game on PC only and not on console because of some perceived rating discrepancy. The same agency rates the games, as you said. There's no chance they'd alienate themselves from the console market.
I think you're missing the point of my original post, which is that there is no way a major developer would release a game on PC only and not on console because of some perceived rating discrepancy. The same agency rates the games, as you said. There's no chance they'd alienate themselves from the console market.
I decided to do some digging and found Lula: The Sexy Empire. It was a game published by a major publisher (Take-Two Interactive) that was rated by ESRB as AO, and as such was not allowed on consoles (no edited version for consoles was ever made, either, and probably wouldn't have been able to have been edited to get an M rating since the game revolves around building a multi-million dollar erotica industry).
There are also games for PC that had explicit content on PC but not on consoles. Manhunt 2 is an example of a game by a major publisher with more explicit content on PC. It was edited by developer, Rockstar, for the console release to get a M rating. But the PC version was unedited and received an AO rating. Other examples of unedited AO rated PC games that have edited M rated console releases are Indigo Prophecy Director's Cut and Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude Uncut and Uncensored.
Yes, but your exact question was about examples that "PC games can be more explicit than consoles". Manhunt 2 is an example of a game by a major publisher with more explicit content on PC. It was edited by developer, Rockstar, for the console release to get a M rating. But the PC version was unedited and received an AO rating.
with a codebreaker you could actually get the uncensored death scenes
Yes, but your exact question was about examples that "PC games can be more explicit than consoles". Manhunt 2 is an example of a game by a major publisher with more explicit content on PC. It was edited by developer, Rockstar, for the console release to get a M rating. But the PC version was unedited and received an AO rating.
Ah, well there you have it. That's not a game that I've played nor a marketing strategy I'd expect to be repeated based on the sales figures. Good to know it's happened as a PC gamer, but it's safe to assume it's been regarded as a failure and more than unlikely to happen with a game this successful.
So far the only proper child death in any TWD property was in the TV show when Sofia died. That said, I doubt they would be willing to kill Clementine because it would cause such an uproar if they did.
Do all you refer that Telltale wouldn't show a kid being eaten by a zombie or that Clementine could die in a valid and probable plot?
If you refer the first question replay first episode and don't do anything when a zombie catches Clementine at drugstore and you will see. :P
Oh I know it is possible, but I just seriously doubt with how much love the fans have in general for Clementine that Telltale would want to do that. If anything, I think she is one of the safest characters in terms of surviving to the end (the image on episode 5 at least shows she makes it until then). They still could pull a twist on if she lives or dies, but I personally would like them to keep her safe.
Regarding Sophia in the TV series - true, we didn't see her get bit, but we saw her as a zombie and we most definitely saw Rick shoot her. It was absolutely heartbreaking.
was I the only one laughing when she came out of the barn as a zombie? and even more when Rick shot her??
I might be a little disturbed, but from my point of view it was totally expected... It could also be because I am not American, mhh ohh well..
I am looking forward to the moment we can either kill or let em children die a brutal and horrible death.
Do all you refer that Telltale wouldn't show a kid being eaten by a zombie or that Clementine could die in a valid and probable plot?
If you refer the first question replay first episode and don't do anything when a zombie catches Clementine at drugstore and you will see. :P
It needs to be pointed out that in the drug store, they don't actually show Clem being eaten if you don't intervene (although it's pretty obvious that's what happens) since the camera pulls away.
Likewise, I don't see a probable scenario in which Clem-Clem would croak before Duck - hell, Duck's the only character in the series that would probably get smarter as a result of being zombified.
What I meant by the nationality is that, the diffrent countrys got diffrent views on things.
Like in Denmark we are very open about nudity and we can show naked people in magazines without banning people under the age of (lest say) 18 to buy em.
That was just an example... another one is our drinking culture vs. the American, from what I know of it at least
I had forgotten about Judith truthfully, thanks for the reminder.
And though we did see the dead body's of Rachel and Susie, we never saw em die... which was what I was trying to point out (seeing em kids die)
Telltale matches the tone of whatever property they're working with. That means they swear in the same level, maintain the same rating and try to have similar events. Just because Telltale hasn't had a kid die in their work to date doesn't mean they're going to shy away from matching the comic's record of youth mortality.
There have been plenty of kids dying on and off screen and also conundrums over whether to kill a zombified offspring. Dare Telltale not to do it, you'll be surprised.
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Touchwood, but what if they stuff up Duck's death so bad we feel compelled to choose the other option out of principle?
I will never choose the "Duck doesn't die" option.
Neither would I, but that's just our opinions. What about the DIKs? Or regular Duck-lovers?
it's about a zombie apoc.. adults and kid's would die.
I would be more disappointed if there were no zombie brat's as it would be unrealistic!
Just don’t kill Clementine.
How do you know if it will be PC only, if so that is dumb, you get fans that my it on PS3 and Xbox and Mac and they just make it for one system.
If that is the case I am not spending money to upgrade my computer to play one game.
if you hang out on the forums enough you'll notice i make alot of wild assumptions. However in this case this is based on Sam and Max Season one and two being on xbox but not season three despite season three being out and released for others to play. the other assumption being PC games can get away with a lot more the console games
Depicting their deaths is semi acceptable in the industry via cut scenes or story arcs where the player has absolutely no control and in no way responsible or is causing the death. Kind of like the CoD cut scenes that have kids dying in terrorist attacks and all that.
What developers seem to be shit scared of is actually having the player do it, which gave us the unkillable children in the Fallout games. Bonus points to the latest Jagged Alliance game, where the little bastards would crowd around hallways in the middle of a firefight and block your path as well as blocking bullets meant for other targets with their little faces. I found myself wishing I could clear out the hallways with a well placed grenade quite often....
In the case of TWD, this basically is a cutscene game and they have full control over who kills whom and who dies how, so they can kill off Duck in an "acceptable" way. Clem's way too important to the story though, she's got too many layers of plot armor to go down imo.
{thats a mass effect reference not an resident evil reference
We don't know for sure what systems will be getting The Walking Dead Season Two, but the first season topped the charts on XBLA and PSN. Because of the large amount of sales of season one on consoles, I'd say it's a safe bet that season two will get console releases as well.
So when did season three get released on Xbox?
Regardless, The Walking Dead Season Two's release platforms will be determinant on the first season of The Walking Dead's sales performance, not on Sam & Max Season Three. The first season of The Walking Dead is selling really well on consoles, so it's highly likely season two will come to consoles.
can't you argue the point about pc games get away with more? because it'd be a little more interesting. also
if you hang out on the forums enough you'll notice i make alot of wild assumptions. However in this case this is based on Sam and Max Season one and two being on xbox but not season three despite season three being out and released for others to play. the other assumption being PC games can get away with a lot more the console games
notice how i didn't imply sam and max season three wasnt on console just not on xbox the word console came in for with getting away with less then pc
As I've said before, I'd be impressed if they managed to make Duck's death anything other than a Narm moment.
Man, I am so going to Hell.
See now that is an interesting informed opinion.
oh and in fallout two you can shoot children dead.
See: Microsoft Vows to Block AO Rated Games from The Xbox 360 Console and Sony and Nintendo Forbid AO Rated Manhunt 2.
I think you're missing the point of my original post, which is that there is no way a major developer would release a game on PC only and not on console because of some perceived rating discrepancy. The same agency rates the games, as you said. There's no chance they'd alienate themselves from the console market.
There are also games for PC that had explicit content on PC but not on consoles. Manhunt 2 is an example of a game by a major publisher with more explicit content on PC. It was edited by developer, Rockstar, for the console release to get a M rating. But the PC version was unedited and received an AO rating. Other examples of unedited AO rated PC games that have edited M rated console releases are Indigo Prophecy Director's Cut and Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude Uncut and Uncensored.
with a codebreaker you could actually get the uncensored death scenes
Speaking from experience
Ah, well there you have it. That's not a game that I've played nor a marketing strategy I'd expect to be repeated based on the sales figures. Good to know it's happened as a PC gamer, but it's safe to assume it's been regarded as a failure and more than unlikely to happen with a game this successful.
If you refer the first question replay first episode and don't do anything when a zombie catches Clementine at drugstore and you will see. :P
Oh I know it is possible, but I just seriously doubt with how much love the fans have in general for Clementine that Telltale would want to do that. If anything, I think she is one of the safest characters in terms of surviving to the end (the image on episode 5 at least shows she makes it until then). They still could pull a twist on if she lives or dies, but I personally would like them to keep her safe.
Everyone else, however, is fair game by my books.
was I the only one laughing when she came out of the barn as a zombie? and even more when Rick shot her??
I might be a little disturbed, but from my point of view it was totally expected... It could also be because I am not American, mhh ohh well..
I am looking forward to the moment we can either kill or let em children die a brutal and horrible death.
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it should also be mentioned that the only child(young kid) that I have seen being killed was Ron
http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Ron.
Even Ben was cut short am I right? it jumped from Carl joining him in the car to Rick waking up from the gunshot...
http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Ben_%28Comic_Series%29
I'm curious what nationality has to do with expecting that outcome. Not much I'd think.
Both of these contain spoilers! As to your other points there was one other death that you see happen: http://images.wikia.com/walkingdead/images/1/14/WD-_012.jpg
There are some very graphic scenes involving the deaths of other children: NSFW
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100424000148/walkingdead/images/d/d5/Twins_death.png
It needs to be pointed out that in the drug store, they don't actually show Clem being eaten if you don't intervene (although it's pretty obvious that's what happens) since the camera pulls away.
Likewise, I don't see a probable scenario in which Clem-Clem would croak before Duck - hell, Duck's the only character in the series that would probably get smarter as a result of being zombified.
What I meant by the nationality is that, the diffrent countrys got diffrent views on things.
Like in Denmark we are very open about nudity and we can show naked people in magazines without banning people under the age of (lest say) 18 to buy em.
That was just an example... another one is our drinking culture vs. the American, from what I know of it at least
I had forgotten about Judith truthfully, thanks for the reminder.
And though we did see the dead body's of Rachel and Susie, we never saw em die... which was what I was trying to point out (seeing em kids die)
There have been plenty of kids dying on and off screen and also conundrums over whether to kill a zombified offspring. Dare Telltale not to do it, you'll be surprised.