Ben is like my actual best friend in life. They are both chickens who would be worthless in a life or death battle. They both have the common sense of a turnip. Their heart's are in the right place. I saved him.
Kinda off topic but I watches footage of someone dropping Ben and wow! The scream and then it looked like he broke his legs. Finished with him on the floor unable to move while walkers moved in to eat him alive. How do you Ben killers sleep at night? :P
Probably the same way the Ben saviors do.:p Seriously, when the group was talking about raiding Crawford, I was looking at the screen just waiting for the option that lets you tell Ben to stay in the house to appear, but that didn't happen and Kenny had to convince him to come. My Lee needed lots of pills to sleep when Ben was around because, like me, he feared Ben more than any external threat.
I never really had the desire to kill him, which perhaps makes it even more surprising that I did, in fact, drop him. Him leaving Clem in danger was a major strike against him and that, combined with his continued incompetance and the fact that he actually asked me to let him go made me do it. And then I regretted it almost immediately afterwards but by then it was done. I made a bad call and now I have to live with it, which is one of the reasons why I love this game.
I want to start with saying that I tried to play Lee as a human character who makes tough decisions and does everything to keep Clementine safe, even if it meant some moral shadiness.
Though I am aware that Ben's betrayal (trading with bandits), lying (not admitting it and thus getting Carley killed), dumbness (taking the axe locking the door), etc. is human (especially under such exceptional circumstances) it made me dislike him.
I'd appreciated it if we had been given the chance to part with certain people you deem a threat to the group/Clem. That being not an option game-play wise I chose not do shoot the walker when he grabbed Ben at the bell tower and consequently both fell down and Ben got swarmed by walkers. At that moment nobody was in the tower any more and Kenny didn't look through the window like in the version where you shoot the walker and decide whether to pull Ben up or not. Back in the house, Kenny still commented on me having done the right thing about Ben in front of Clementine! For me that was a major slip-up.
I judged my fellow survivors' mistakes not by their actions, but by their emotions behind them. As i held Ben's life in my hands, i looked at him and thought, "Does this kid want to hurt us? Does he wish harm upon any of us?" That answer was no, and the only thing i needed to pull him up.
Maybe my thoughts would begin to change depending on the severity of his mistakes(for example, if he accidentally shot and killed Clementine, we'd have major issues) but at that moment in Crawford, he had not done anything bad enough to guarantee a death. Just as well, it is not my place to decide the fate of a life, and i refused to be responsible for his death regardless of my feelings.
Back in the house, Kenny still commented on me having done the right thing about Ben in front of Clementine! For me that was a major slip-up.
You could say Kenny heard Ben screaming "Lee, please!" when he's grabbed by the walker, and knowing that Lee had a gun, didn't hear any gunshots, and came down without Ben, he could assume that Lee did not save him.
It drives me crazy that so many people hated Ben and then to preserve their sense of self-righteousness "saved" him. Some people don't deserve to be helped and saving the group is more important that one incompetent person. Just my opinion.
I wanted to kill him and so i did. I didn't enjoy it, but i dont regret it.
I dont think he was a bad man, but he was a danger to everyone, caused a number of better people than him to die and i'd had enough of his excuses. If wanted to die then i wasn't going to stand in his way.
I live with my decisions all the time in real life. This is a video game. If I want to correct an action that I feel was a mistake, I'll correct it. Simple as that.
I judged my fellow survivors' mistakes not by their actions, but by their emotions behind them. As i held Ben's life in my hands, i looked at him and though, "Does this kid want to hurt us? Does he wish harm upon any of us?" That answer was no, and the only thing i needed to pull him up.
I agree.
I don't understand why so many kill Ben. He's just a kid. Of course he fucked up, but he didn't betray the group out of selfishness, he wanted to help. I guess the bandits would have raided the motor inn if he had not made that deal.
I don't understand why so many kill Ben. He's just a kid. Of course he fucked up, but he didn't betray the group out of selfishness, he wanted to help. I guess the bandits would have raided the motor inn if he had not made that deal.
The says himself the reason he made the deal was that they convinced him they had his friend, that's not him wanting to help. He knew he was betraying the group, betraying is a harsh word i admit, but the closest to being accurate.
Ultimately though i dropped him because he was the grim reaper to anyone around him, and had caused some very avoidable deaths of good people, sometimes through fuck ups and others out of cowardice, so i thought i'd take the decision to protect everyone else over protecting him.
Ultimately in hindsight since him being around in episode 5 doesn't cause any more deaths than him being dead im more inclined to keep around (although i still dislike him), but especially with 5 being the last episode i couldn't have known that at the time.
It was actually the decision i took the longest to make in the game, had to pause it for some time.
I cursed at ben as i pulled ben up.I thought its a numbers game the more people in the group better chance lee/clem have surviving.Even if ben is weak maybe he will get killed first.giving strong chance to getaway.Ben Is WORTHLESS.
Killing Ben is my most conflicted choice of the game.
I goaded him into spilling the beans to Kenny. I voted him off the island. I let the bell zombie kill him. That third one, though, perhaps took it too far. But you can't take death back! Ben is a dangerous liability, but did he deserve that death?
Molly left. I can't help but think it was because we're to similar to Crawford. In our group, the strong prevail, and the liabilities are eliminated.
Clementine was crying. Killing Ben may have protected her from physical harm, but it caused her such anguish, and possibly made her easier to kidnap.
On the plus side, everyone's helping me find Clem.
And congratulations to Tell Tale Games. It's obvious a success of the game and this episode that we're even having these conversations and thinking so much about our in-game choices.
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Though I am aware that Ben's betrayal (trading with bandits), lying (not admitting it and thus getting Carley killed), dumbness (taking the axe locking the door), etc. is human (especially under such exceptional circumstances) it made me dislike him.
I'd appreciated it if we had been given the chance to part with certain people you deem a threat to the group/Clem. That being not an option game-play wise I chose not do shoot the walker when he grabbed Ben at the bell tower and consequently both fell down and Ben got swarmed by walkers. At that moment nobody was in the tower any more and Kenny didn't look through the window like in the version where you shoot the walker and decide whether to pull Ben up or not. Back in the house, Kenny still commented on me having done the right thing about Ben in front of Clementine! For me that was a major slip-up.
Maybe my thoughts would begin to change depending on the severity of his mistakes(for example, if he accidentally shot and killed Clementine, we'd have major issues) but at that moment in Crawford, he had not done anything bad enough to guarantee a death. Just as well, it is not my place to decide the fate of a life, and i refused to be responsible for his death regardless of my feelings.
You could say Kenny heard Ben screaming "Lee, please!" when he's grabbed by the walker, and knowing that Lee had a gun, didn't hear any gunshots, and came down without Ben, he could assume that Lee did not save him.
On the other hand, I wanted to kill the Stranger the first time I heard his voice.
I wanted to kill him and so i did. I didn't enjoy it, but i dont regret it.
I dont think he was a bad man, but he was a danger to everyone, caused a number of better people than him to die and i'd had enough of his excuses. If wanted to die then i wasn't going to stand in his way.
I live with my decisions all the time in real life. This is a video game. If I want to correct an action that I feel was a mistake, I'll correct it. Simple as that.
I agree.
I don't understand why so many kill Ben. He's just a kid. Of course he fucked up, but he didn't betray the group out of selfishness, he wanted to help. I guess the bandits would have raided the motor inn if he had not made that deal.
The says himself the reason he made the deal was that they convinced him they had his friend, that's not him wanting to help. He knew he was betraying the group, betraying is a harsh word i admit, but the closest to being accurate.
Ultimately though i dropped him because he was the grim reaper to anyone around him, and had caused some very avoidable deaths of good people, sometimes through fuck ups and others out of cowardice, so i thought i'd take the decision to protect everyone else over protecting him.
Ultimately in hindsight since him being around in episode 5 doesn't cause any more deaths than him being dead im more inclined to keep around (although i still dislike him), but especially with 5 being the last episode i couldn't have known that at the time.
It was actually the decision i took the longest to make in the game, had to pause it for some time.
I goaded him into spilling the beans to Kenny. I voted him off the island. I let the bell zombie kill him. That third one, though, perhaps took it too far. But you can't take death back! Ben is a dangerous liability, but did he deserve that death?
Molly left. I can't help but think it was because we're to similar to Crawford. In our group, the strong prevail, and the liabilities are eliminated.
Clementine was crying. Killing Ben may have protected her from physical harm, but it caused her such anguish, and possibly made her easier to kidnap.
On the plus side, everyone's helping me find Clem.
The kidnapper will pay, and dearly!
This is why Clementine remains scarred by the sight of me butchering someone with a pitchfork three feet in front of her....