Can you blame Clem ?

edited November 2012 in The Walking Dead
I know its a stretch but IMO it really is all her fault. Im still upset that at the end of epi 3 its revealed she DIDNT tell Lee about the walkie. I know as a kid in a video game she gets a little leeway because campman probably said he has her parents but everything else is really her fault. I know you can make an argument for EVERY choice in the game and you can probably make an argument for everyone for being at fault but overall Lee would be alive most likely if Clem did things differently. For the masses that dis-agree, Clem is heard saying sorry multiple times at the end. I mean you have to say atleast a SMIDGE she is at fault here.

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  • edited November 2012
    You have to remember Clem is a kid a "smart one" but still a child. She wanted her parents and the Campman told her he know them. Lee went to Savannah but campman more or less likely was like he not going to help you find them. Look at all the things Lee has let happen to you and the group.

    Campman used all that against Clem and to think in Episode 4 if you made Clem cry she would diff told Campman they was at the Mansion.
  • edited November 2012
    kirby18 wrote: »
    I know its a stretch but IMO it really is all her fault. Im still upset that at the end of epi 3 its revealed she DIDNT tell Lee about the walkie. I know as a kid in a video game she gets a little leeway because campman probably said he has her parents but everything else is really her fault. I know you can make an argument for EVERY choice in the game and you can probably make an argument for everyone for being at fault but overall Lee would be alive most likely if Clem did things differently. For the masses that dis-agree, Clem is heard saying sorry multiple times at the end. I mean you have to say atleast a SMIDGE she is at fault here.

    I really couldn't put the blame on her. We were heading to Savannah regardless due to Kenny and his overwhelming idea of getting a boat. We were just going to look for her parents or the fate of them while there.

    The lunatic with the walkietalkie just so happen to manipulate her.
  • edited November 2012
    I dunno, I didn't take anything from the car because Clem said it was stealing, if the rest of the group had agreed with us then Campman wouldn't have had an issue with us *and* we wouldn't have had any batteries for the walkie-talkie in the first place.

    So you could say that is was everyone but Lee and Clems fault (if you chose not to steal from the car).
  • edited November 2012
    Replace Clem. with Ben.
  • edited November 2012
    AceStarr wrote: »
    You have to remember Clem is a kid a "smart one" but still a child. She wanted her parents and the Campman told her he know them. Lee went there but campman more or less likely was like he not going to help you look at all the things Lee has let happen to you and the group.

    I understand but its still "her" fault whether she meant it or not. I mean she lied to Lee in the first place. In epi 4 we see how she doesnt listen to Lee sometimes and acts on instinct (like going through the dog hole/ snooping around in the backyard)
  • edited November 2012
    It may be her fault, but she's nine (as of 6 days ago ;) ) years old. She has been through alot and her mind was indoctrinated by Campmans empty promises of her parents.

    I dont care if it was Clementines fault personally, I love her all the same.
  • edited November 2012
    lilTomTom wrote: »
    I really couldn't put the blame on her. We were heading to Savannah regardless due to Kenny and his overwhelming idea of getting a boat. We were just going to look for her parents or the fate of them while there.

    The lunatic with the walkietalkie just so happen to manipulate her.
    WoodMan wrote: »
    I dunno, I didn't take anything from the car because Clem said it was stealing, if the rest of the group had agreed with us then Campman wouldn't have had an issue with us *and* we wouldn't have had any batteries for the walkie-talkie in the first place.

    So you could say that is was everyone but Lee and Clems fault (if you chose not to steal from the car).
    Fezzan wrote: »
    Replace Clem. with Ben.

    These are all valid arguments and like I said its a matter of opinion. I feel like the rational thing would have been to steal the supplies regardless. I know I would have and trust me I am a really nice/rational guy... as for ben. yea he was at fault for the bandits, carly and katjaa/ducks death but through epi 5 he didnt do anything wrong
  • edited November 2012
    Fawkes wrote: »
    It may be her fault, but she's nine (as of 6 days ago ;) ) years old. She has been through alot and her mind was indoctrinated by Campmans empty promises of her parents.

    I dont care if it was Clementines fault personally, I love her all the same.

    That's not what people said about Duck when he got Shawn killed, did Clem sneak out to meet (car guy) thus getting Lee bit when he goes to find her?
  • edited November 2012
    kirby18 wrote: »
    "she gets a little leeway"

    I see what you did there.
  • edited November 2012
    kirby18 wrote: »
    as for ben. yea he was at fault for the bandits, carly and katjaa/ducks death but through epi 5 he didnt do anything wrong

    Yeah because he was dead.
  • edited November 2012
    I ultimately blame radio man. He is the one who kidnapped Clem which caused the whole search for her which got half of the group killed.
  • edited November 2012
    I don't really think you can blame it one just one person, or one single mistake. As with most things, there were a number of factors that added up to that result. Clem could have told Lee that there was a guy talking to her over the walkie talkie, sure, but that doesn't mean things would have ended differently.

    The guy claimed that he wanted revenge for the group stealing his supplies - which resulted in his wife leaving with his daughter and getting killed - but even if Lee and Clementine choose not to use the supplies, he still targets her.

    It seems to me that the guy really just wanted a replacement for the child(ren) he lost. So, I don't think you can blame what happened on one single event. Hell, if he never took his son hunting, his wife probably never would have left him when their supplies were stolen. With a series like this, things aren't as simple as "you did A, that's why B is happening."
  • edited November 2012
    Blame Clem?

    Wut?
  • edited November 2012
    yes, i've always blamed clem. if she would have just used the slightest bit of common sense, she wouldn't have talked to a stranger claiming to have her parents. lee warned her twice and she still didn't listen, ultimately costing him his life.
  • edited November 2012
    kirby18 wrote: »
    I know its a stretch but IMO it really is all her fault.

    She caused the apocalyps? :-D
  • edited November 2012
    Many people shared in the blame, with Clementine's mistakes she was among them. It's hard to blame a 9-year old for that though, keeping a kid with you in a situation like that means you are accepting a huge liability.

    It seems she has hardened considerably now though, perhaps it won't repeat itself. Like with Ben. I mean sure she wasn't blameless, but she handled herself way better than him. I mean he was practically an adult yet I don't remember him doing anything positive for the group EVER, whereas the nine-year old kills walkers in stress situations.

    At any rate if we were to play the blame game I'd say it all goes back to Kenny/Lily, those two are mainly at fault for what happened.
  • edited November 2012
    I guess I got misunderstood. I KNOW shes a 9 year old girl! I know she is going to do 9 year old things like not listen/lie! But still, lee made it very clear to always stay with him. Although she may not be the main cause of it (although shes definetly a part) my main point here is that everyone LOVES her while she is far short from perfect. just sayin #ForClementine
  • edited November 2012
    Dude, she's 9.

    How many 9 year old kids do exactly what they're told? Let alone when scared... let alone in a ZA :p
  • edited November 2012
    I like how everyone wished Duck dead for being a silly kid, but when Clem goes away with a radioguy leading to Lee, Kenny and Ben getting killed it's not her fault she's young.

    Poor Duck...
  • edited November 2012
    DrRadon wrote: »
    She caused the apocalyps? :-D

    Maybe not the apocalypse, but she may be jinxed - it seems that everyone around her ends up dead sooner or later.

    People often blame Ben for Duck's death, but if you watch episode 3 carefully, you may notice, that it was really Clementine's fault. Lee was holding the bandits and zombies off without any problems, but when Clementine hugged him, he lowered his weapon for a few seconds. If she hadn't done that, he would have shot the zombie that attacked Katja and Duck, before it grabbed them.
  • edited November 2012
    If Ben "killed" Duck, Katja, Doug/Carley, Clem also "killed" Lee, Ben, and Kenny.
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