I'm saying exactly what I said....... show me the proof. This game isn't shielded by censors saying it's too violent. Why would they not show Lee dead? Because he's not.
Because it's more dramatic this way. You don't have to have everything spelled out for you. It is so much better to have the scene end with the gunshot, and not midshot of Lee with his head blown apart (granted, I don't know how the scene ends if you tell Clementine to leave you, but I will find out on my second playthrough).
Do you think Duck is still alive, because we didn't see the bullet blow his little head into gory chunks? Is that something you want to see, just for 'proof'?
Huh?
You're saying, the reason the main character can't be killed off is because the main character hasn't been killed off. That's what you're saying, you realise? It creates a vicious cycle whereby the main character can never die if your logic is followed.
Obviously a mistype -- Don't worry I corrected it for the impaired.
I'll keep it civil and pretend you didn't call me impaired.
If you refuse to believe that Lee died, from either being left chained to a radiator and not being shown with Clem at the end or that you don't see some sort of slow-mo of the bullet entering his brain, then you're being a bit too optimistic. Lee's very appearance before being shot, (His skin color is far out of whack) the fact that he can't even stand, and hearing his final breath after the gun-shot should clue you in he's got no time left.
Also........ It's a season finally. Not a game finally. Meaning you want people to be guessing what is next.
What better way to do that, than to make you think you (Lee) are dead?
Good thinking! I think they could think like that! They want everybody to be sad over Lee's dead and they also are excited of who the 2 persons up on the hill is! What I think is that you going to play as a sick Lee whho tries to find Clem and the two persons on the hill is Lee and someone else?! So the ending in Season 1 is like the ending of season 2 but you find out what happend kinda!
I dont mean to knock you opinion or discourage you but can we stop this already? Lee is dead, that was the point of such a dramatic ending. Dont you think it would take away from its effectiveness if Lee just showed up in season two saying , "Hey, guess I just needed some rest" or "thanks for not shooting me Clem"?
It'd also be impossible since you can slowly see Lee degrading throught the episode. You could argue that its from a loss of blood from getting his arm cut off (even though its pretty clear he waited too long), but if you didnt, then he'd turn no matter what. Nobody's immune.
I know lost as I watched it faithfully, they were dead from the start as the writers and the creators said wasn't true for seasons. But that was the whole point of the final episode. (in case you didnt know it... there is only one way to get to purgatory; death. And that didnt happen at some random point on the island.... it happened in the crash at the beginning... Thus the point of the finally.)
As for the the point of this thread. Show me the proof ... Where did Lee get shot? Paste your screen shot here. Otherwise NONE of the main characters have died. Not in the comics, series, or even the game now.
I said it before. I will not pour my 40 on the ground for someone not seen dead.
You watched it yet you don't understand any of it. I'm sorry but you're getting pretty ridicilous, no offense. People on the island died, so how could they die on the island? Cause they were still alive on the island. When the people died there, they waited for eachother in purgatory. The flash sideways in the last season. They even said so in the last episode. Purgatory was the alternate world where the people on the plane didn't crash, the real world was on the island. You were being spoon fed this.
That the creators said it wasn't purgatory was true, that they used it for the last season was lame though and the last season in general felt lame to me.
If you don't want to take what the creator says as true, then the problem lies with you. And I'm done discussing this. But this clearly isn't for you and neither was lost. Maybe Pokémon or something could be. Simple plot where no one can die.
The reasoning is sound and I wish it were true but I think you may be in denial about Lee's death, I know I was but either way if you cut his arm off or leave it on he will die from the infection or blood loss, there is also the fact that Clem is a really good shot and was peeking to make sure when she fired the gun, I know on my first playthrough I chopped my arm and got her to shoot me because by the time you end up in that place Lee looks awful his eyes are going yellow and his skin is so pale I think at that point you can give up hope for Lee and just hope Clem makes it out of Savannah.
But yeah maybe I am wrong, I'm just saying that I don't think Lee has a chance to return and that it will be a new protagonist.
If he Does not cut his arm off he will be 100% dead or walker, however if the bloodless plot line is true and he survives I highly doubt season 2 will be starring a one armed hero! Also if some people chose to not chop his arm off they cant possibly pick up with Lee if a percentage of people chose to let him have two arms and therefore know he is dead?
This thread is amazing.
If I were one of TWD writers I would be partying right now.
People getting so attached to a character they won't even admit his death.
I have a feeling that the ending whoudnt of had such a big impact if Lee still lives.
He's dead.. and thats agood thing, cause it means its depressing and a good story. Otherwise if Lee is alive in season 2 then that means we'll have a protagonist who cannot die ... canonicly. And that whoudnt be fun anymore.
This thread is amazing.
If I were one of TWD writers I would be partying right now.
People getting so attached to a character they won't even admit his death.
Exactly! That's just amazing... That's why I think this thread is interesting, that's funny to see how people are now attached to the characters. That's about genius from TTG.
"No one is ever truly dead in writing"
Let me first point out my disconcern one way or another. I honestly don't care that Lee might be dead, and coming off the back of a my other favorite genre, Mass Effect 3, his end was certainly well written.
While I'll say that anyone seriously hoping that Lee is alive, well - in any other context I'd say ''it's possible,'' because we didn't actually see him dead but probably not here. The Walking Dead genre for anyone who follows the comics knows that it's filled to the brim with depression. There are no "happily ever afters."
So while I'd concede that because we didn't actually see Lee's death like Carly's, he may still be alive -- I wouldn't bet on that horse in this universe.
I think that's why I like The Walking Dead, no character has the golden lifeline. We *may* even see Clementine's death soon enough.
Did you see how sickly Lee looked towards the end of the game? It looked like his eyes were turning yellow and his skin colour looked almost dead. There's no hope for him, it'd be unrealistic to think there was. He was bitten. This is the Walking Dead, people who are bitten die.
(Sure the chopping of the arm may have bought him some time if he would have did it right away, but it wasn't done immediately).
This has already been addressed. Not all of your bodily functions suddenly cease to work when you die. You might have a finale breath, your fingers might uncurl (or curl), you'll void your bowels, etc.
This I know. I work in medical so trust me, I know it very well. But from a gun shot wound at point blank range?
No, the body would not make any respiratory sounds. And if it did it would be a screeching noise as the air struggles to escape a larynx with no muscle tone. The breathes Lee took were sounding pretty healthy to me.
What would happen, is he would have voided his bowels, as he was in the upright position, gravity would have taken it's toll.
But this is all neither here nor there, because after the credits we see Clem walking alone through the countryside. Surely she would have known if she hit Lee or not.
Actually, Jake has just confirmed Lee's death over in the FAQ thread (Regular TWD forum).
So we can finally put this to rest. Next up: "Was Lee human or an alien from Brunxwedel VII?". After all, no character in the game ever explicitly denies this!
Lee's dead. It's the work of Kirkman. There is no cure. If you goes against what he says, you go against the entire Walking Dead universe. Face it, he's gone. Nobody likes that Lee's dead and I'm quite sure everyone has a (discreet) sense of hate at Telltale choices, but let's face it. Move on.
Lee's dead. It's the work of Kirkman. There is no cure. If you goes against what he says, you go against the entire Walking Dead universe. Face it, he's gone. Nobody likes that Lee's dead and I'm quite sure everyone has a (discreet) sense of hate at Telltale choices, but let's face it. Move on.
If that's in response to me, I was being sarcastic. You see I was arguing your very point throughout the whole thread.
This is the best Troll I've seen in a while. Bravo, good sir, you have thoroughly bullshitted this entire forum with a mastery not seen for many years.
I never actually played this game, but I have been watching playthroughs and have a pretty clear understanding of the story.
I signed up here just so I could share my opinion (hopefully you guys know understand this is an opinion).
I have read a lot of things with Lee surviving like, 'he only grazed his cheek' or 'there was a breath at the end!!'.
If he was to survive, my only possible thoughts on it happening would be something like
'Clem moved the gun slightly too the right and possibly shot the arm that was bitten?'
(The breath during the black screen could possibly be Lees breath of relief?, maybe the pain was gone?)
But this being said leads us to stuff like 'But what if you chose to amputate his arm?' or 'Why was Clem on her own afterwards?'
We also found a quote CONFIRMING Lee is dead but it would be VERY pointless if he turned around and said 'No, Lee is alive.' This makes us think what the point was of 'killing' him.
This game has twists and turns at almost every corner and if you ask me there will probably be another twist with a returning of Lee.
There is really no way of discussing this properly as there as SO many work arounds.
We all know there is no cure.
I really do hope Lee makes some sort of shifty return.
But if I wanted him still being alive, there would have to be a damn fine excuse.
I still want to know what the breath was about after Clem 'shot' him.
It would be pretty poor if they put that in there as a last breath because I believe once you are shot in the head. You cannot breathe rofl.
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Because it's more dramatic this way. You don't have to have everything spelled out for you. It is so much better to have the scene end with the gunshot, and not midshot of Lee with his head blown apart (granted, I don't know how the scene ends if you tell Clementine to leave you, but I will find out on my second playthrough).
Do you think Duck is still alive, because we didn't see the bullet blow his little head into gory chunks? Is that something you want to see, just for 'proof'?
You're saying, the reason the main character can't be killed off is because the main character hasn't been killed off. That's what you're saying, you realise? It creates a vicious cycle whereby the main character can never die if your logic is followed.
I'll keep it civil and pretend you didn't call me impaired.
The strenght of the TWD is that danger lurks around every corner.
Good thinking! I think they could think like that! They want everybody to be sad over Lee's dead and they also are excited of who the 2 persons up on the hill is! What I think is that you going to play as a sick Lee whho tries to find Clem and the two persons on the hill is Lee and someone else?! So the ending in Season 1 is like the ending of season 2 but you find out what happend kinda!
Basic leftover taste on Telltale's side.
Basic narrative coherence.
This game isn't made for the likes of you, i suggest you try something more suited to your personality such as ......
Oh and..
It'd also be impossible since you can slowly see Lee degrading throught the episode. You could argue that its from a loss of blood from getting his arm cut off (even though its pretty clear he waited too long), but if you didnt, then he'd turn no matter what. Nobody's immune.
That the creators said it wasn't purgatory was true, that they used it for the last season was lame though and the last season in general felt lame to me.
If you don't want to take what the creator says as true, then the problem lies with you. And I'm done discussing this. But this clearly isn't for you and neither was lost. Maybe Pokémon or something could be. Simple plot where no one can die.
But yeah maybe I am wrong, I'm just saying that I don't think Lee has a chance to return and that it will be a new protagonist.
He is handcuffed to a radiator trying to get some bodies to gobble
Get over it
If I were one of TWD writers I would be partying right now.
People getting so attached to a character they won't even admit his death.
what about rick
Exactly! That's just amazing... That's why I think this thread is interesting, that's funny to see how people are now attached to the characters. That's about genius from TTG.
Hey! Kirby is awesome!
seriously...
You bet it is!
Let me first point out my disconcern one way or another. I honestly don't care that Lee might be dead, and coming off the back of a my other favorite genre, Mass Effect 3, his end was certainly well written.
While I'll say that anyone seriously hoping that Lee is alive, well - in any other context I'd say ''it's possible,'' because we didn't actually see him dead but probably not here. The Walking Dead genre for anyone who follows the comics knows that it's filled to the brim with depression. There are no "happily ever afters."
So while I'd concede that because we didn't actually see Lee's death like Carly's, he may still be alive -- I wouldn't bet on that horse in this universe.
I think that's why I like The Walking Dead, no character has the golden lifeline. We *may* even see Clementine's death soon enough.
this
This I know. I work in medical so trust me, I know it very well. But from a gun shot wound at point blank range?
No, the body would not make any respiratory sounds. And if it did it would be a screeching noise as the air struggles to escape a larynx with no muscle tone. The breathes Lee took were sounding pretty healthy to me.
What would happen, is he would have voided his bowels, as he was in the upright position, gravity would have taken it's toll.
But this is all neither here nor there, because after the credits we see Clem walking alone through the countryside. Surely she would have known if she hit Lee or not.
So we can finally put this to rest. Next up: "Was Lee human or an alien from Brunxwedel VII?". After all, no character in the game ever explicitly denies this!
Lee is confirmed dead.
Now stop trolling everyone!
Originally Posted by JabbaDaHuttX7
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Okay, it's a really silly question, but can you confirm that Lee is really dead? Yes, I know it's a really silly question.
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Originally Posted by Jake
Yes, he's dead.
Lee is dead...get over it.
/sarcasm
If that's in response to me, I was being sarcastic. You see I was arguing your very point throughout the whole thread.
I signed up here just so I could share my opinion (hopefully you guys know understand this is an opinion).
I have read a lot of things with Lee surviving like, 'he only grazed his cheek' or 'there was a breath at the end!!'.
If he was to survive, my only possible thoughts on it happening would be something like
'Clem moved the gun slightly too the right and possibly shot the arm that was bitten?'
(The breath during the black screen could possibly be Lees breath of relief?, maybe the pain was gone?)
But this being said leads us to stuff like 'But what if you chose to amputate his arm?' or 'Why was Clem on her own afterwards?'
We also found a quote CONFIRMING Lee is dead but it would be VERY pointless if he turned around and said 'No, Lee is alive.' This makes us think what the point was of 'killing' him.
This game has twists and turns at almost every corner and if you ask me there will probably be another twist with a returning of Lee.
There is really no way of discussing this properly as there as SO many work arounds.
We all know there is no cure.
I really do hope Lee makes some sort of shifty return.
But if I wanted him still being alive, there would have to be a damn fine excuse.
I still want to know what the breath was about after Clem 'shot' him.
It would be pretty poor if they put that in there as a last breath because I believe once you are shot in the head. You cannot breathe rofl.
#bringbackLee2012