Would it have been even better if Lee told Clementine that he loved her?

I found that last scene with Clem and Lee to be almost perfect...but I was waiting to hear Lee tell Clementine that he loved her.I know he can say "I'll miss you", but I just felt that him telling her that he loved her would solidify the father-daughter relationship between them and everything that has happened on their journey. Thoughts?:D
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  • edited November 2012
    Cheesey.
  • edited November 2012
    Its an error. But she knew. He was going to say it and maybe a statement like that on his deathbed would of been too much for her. She was crying already. She had to move on.
  • edited November 2012
    Its an error. But she knew. He was going to say it and maybe a statement like that on his deathbed would of been too much for her. She was crying already. She had to move on.

    ^ This. I felt Lee was about to say it but decided not to for clems sake
  • edited November 2012
    I was a bit surprised it was written out, to be honest - being that they were going for "realism."

    I say "written out" only because I have to believe it was intentional - anyone who has experience with saying goodbye to loved ones knows the first thing they want the passing to know is how much they love them. It's almost second nature.

    So actually I was a bit surprised Clementine didn't say it. At the same time, they literally just saw her dead parents as mindless zombies, maybe they both felt the words were taboo (thinking in character).
  • N7.N7.
    edited November 2012
    Lee wasn't her real father so he couldn't tell her that I love you! So ridiculous
    Lee didn't love her, She was just his responsibility so then "I'll miss you" is better than I love you

    And I should say "I'll miss you" is a lot deeper than I love you
  • edited November 2012
    Its an error. But she knew. He was going to say it and maybe a statement like that on his deathbed would of been too much for her. She was crying already. She had to move on.

    ^I agree
  • edited November 2012
    N7. wrote: »
    Lee wasn't her real father so he couldn't tell her that I love you! So ridiculous
    Lee didn't love her, She was just his responsibility so then "I'll miss you" is better than I love you

    I guess it depends on how you play Lee, in away, but I also feel like this is far off base.
  • edited November 2012
    I found that last scene with Clem and Lee to be almost perfect...but I was waiting to hear Lee tell Clementine that he loved her.I know he can say "I'll miss you", but I just felt that him telling her that he loved her would solidify the father-daughter relationship between them and everything that has happened on their journey. Thoughts?:D

    It's funny that you say that because I was wanting him to say it to her too lol. Maybe because I put myself in Lee's position (as we all should), and it's something I would've said to her. Besides, she was like his daughter :( Damn it's just sad thinking about that ending,and the whole journey they went through together. Lee fought like a warrior for her till the end! Seriously, those two characters are probably my favorite two characters in any "game".
  • edited November 2012
    If Lee said that, it would be worse for Clementine. She had just seen her two true parents dead as walkers, if he said he loved her then she would be completely broken -- he avoided telling her to keep her strong, and personally I feel that Lee knew he couldn't say that as he was not her real father.
  • edited November 2012
    N7. wrote: »
    Lee wasn't her real father so he couldn't tell her that I love you! So ridiculous
    Lee didn't love her, She was just his responsibility so then "I'll miss you" is better than I love you

    And I should say "I'll miss you" is a lot deeper than I love you

    Really? They've spent months together in a zombie apocalypse. That kind of thing makes people grow closer. And a man can't say "I love you" to someone who he's given almost everything up for? Really?
  • edited November 2012
    I think it would have been awkward and sliiiiightly creepy, really...She's not his daughter.
    If I was in his position I'd never say something like that.
    But that's just me.
  • edited November 2012
    Pride wrote: »
    I think it would have been awkward and sliiiiightly creepy, really...She's not his daughter.
    If I was in his position I'd never say something like that.
    But that's just me.

    They have spent three months together, struggling to survive. Lee has given up almost everything (including his life) for her. I think that warrants at least a little vocalized love.
  • edited November 2012
    Noble wrote: »
    If Lee said that, it would be worse for Clementine. She had just seen her two true parents dead as walkers, if he said he loved her then she would be completely broken -- he avoided telling her to keep her strong, and personally I feel that Lee knew he couldn't say that as he was not her real father.

    This is exactly how I saw it.
    Naturally Clem mentions her parents first
    "My parents.It's so horrible and now... you"

    That line was the one that caused a lump in the throat and a manly tear.
  • edited November 2012
    Pride wrote: »
    I think it would have been awkward and sliiiiightly creepy, really...She's not his daughter.
    If I was in his position I'd never say something like that.
    But that's just me.

    I disagree. You can love people like family even if you're not actually related, (step-parents, etc.).
  • edited November 2012
    N7. wrote: »
    Lee wasn't her real father so he couldn't tell her that I love you! So ridiculous
    Lee didn't love her, She was just his responsibility so then "I'll miss you" is better than I love you

    And I should say "I'll miss you" is a lot deeper than I love you
    Yeah, I'm pretty sure Lee loved her.
  • edited November 2012
    Mornai wrote: »
    I disagree. You can love people like family even if you're not actually related, (step-parents, etc.).

    How often do you see teachers telling their students they love them on a daily basis? :D
    Because I feel that Lee was her mentor, if anything... They'd only known each other for 3 months
    You could have Lee say it but I'd be expecting zombie Chris Hansen popping up outta nowhere any moment soon after that :D
  • edited November 2012
    Pride wrote: »
    How often do you see teachers telling their students they love them on a daily basis? :D
    Because I feel that Lee was her mentor, if anything... They'd only known each other for 3 months
    You could have Lee say it but I'd be expecting zombie Chris Hansen popping up outta nowhere any moment soon after that :D
    Are you serious, or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?
    You can't tell the difference between a teacher and someone who would die for you?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_family#Sociology
  • edited November 2012
    Anyday wrote: »
    Are you serious, or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?
    You can't tell the difference between a teacher and someone who would die for you?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_family#Sociology
    They're not related and had only known each other for 3 months, end of story!
    If you're comfortable telling little girls you've only known for less than half a year that you love them, all the more power for you!
  • edited November 2012
    Pride wrote: »
    They're not related and had only known each other for 3 months, end of story!!

    Let me tell you something, when you spend your days living on edge in an unknown environment and it's the person next to you between you and death -- 3 months may as well be 3 years and yes, you do bond with them in a way I don't think you may understand.
  • edited November 2012
    Anyday wrote: »
    Are you serious, or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?
    You can't tell the difference between a teacher and someone who would die for you?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_family#Sociology

    There's no need to bring up an academic study on it, especially if it's from wikipedia.
  • edited February 2013
    this game. yes I wanted to see it too. I feel like when lee said "and also..." he was going to give the end of game speech almost all touching ending, losss of loved ones have, the "I love you, and over this time ive seen you grow so much and im so proud of you. you are capable of doing this on your own, I have faith in you. your strong, smart, and ill always be with you. good luck, Ill miss you." something like that, but it would have broken her, as someone previously stated, so he kept it to ill miss you.
  • edited February 2013
    Pride wrote: »
    They're not related and had only known each other for 3 months, end of story!
    If you're comfortable telling little girls you've only known for less than half a year that you love them, all the more power for you!

    What the hell dude? Clementine is a fucking videogame character and I am not ashamed to say that I felt like her father, now imagine what LEE would feel... I wouldn't have any problems telling her that I loved her in that situation, because it would be true. Does that make me a pedophile? Well, if it does, that is some real news to me.
  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited February 2013
    You're right, of course.

    Still, replying to members who haven't been active for one and a half months probably won't yield a response. ;)
  • edited February 2013
    You're right, of course.

    Still, replying to members who haven't been active for one and a half months probably won't yield a response. ;)

    I didn't realize that someone necro'd the thread.

    That explains why it has so many posts so quickly :o
  • edited February 2013
    Pride wrote: »
    They're not related and had only known each other for 3 months, end of story!
    If you're comfortable telling little girls you've only known for less than half a year that you love them, all the more power for you!

    By far one of the worst arguments I've ever heard. In the realm of where this story takes place and the circumstances surrounding, your reasoning makes you sound like an idiot. It's not like they see each other here and there during the course of 3 months, they were together everyday. They've shared more trauma and experiences in 3 months, then most people do in their life time.

    Love isn't confined to a form of sexual attraction or blood relation.
  • edited February 2013
    Jeenyus wrote: »
    By far one of the worst arguments I've ever heard. In the realm of where this story takes place and the circumstances surrounding, your reasoning makes you sound like an idiot. It's not like they see each other here and there during the course of 3 months, they were together everyday. They've shared more trauma and experiences in 3 months, then most people do in their life time.

    Love isn't confined to a form of sexual attraction or blood relation.

    ^ This is my view on it.

    And I was hoping that option was there. Sadly it was not, but I'm pretty sure they both knew it.
  • edited February 2013
    Given that Lee was dying and about to leave Clementine alone in a dangerous situation, no, I don't think it would be wise to tell her he loves her, as true as it may be. Clem needs to be able to get herself to safety. That will take a hefty amount of concentration in the middle of a zombie horde.

    Saying "I love you" would put the thought in her mind that she's losing yet another person who cares for her. Yes, she may already know, but it can be neatly tucked away in the back of her mind if no one brings it up. That increases her chance to get herself out safely and far outweighs the benefits of Lee getting some closure in my mind.

    In a different situation? Lee is dying in a safe zone? Clementine has other trusted survivors around for support and protection? Sure. Let her know.
  • edited February 2013
    Pride wrote: »
    I think it would have been awkward and sliiiiightly creepy, really...She's not his daughter.
    If I was in his position I'd never say something like that.
    But that's just me.

    I disagree.
  • edited February 2013
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    Advanced wrote: »
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  • edited February 2013
    Noble wrote: »
    If Lee said that, it would be worse for Clementine. She had just seen her two true parents dead as walkers, if he said he loved her then she would be completely broken -- he avoided telling her to keep her strong, and personally I feel that Lee knew he couldn't say that as he was not her real father.

    I half agree.
    I think that it would have been worse for Clem to say 'I love you'. Especially if you asked her to shoot you, or "raised" her to shoot you. Also, Clem's a smart girl. Kids are perceptive, so much more than adults give them credit for. She knew that (depending on your play) Lee loved her.
    I don't know if it was him not feeling like he should say it because he wasn't her real father, but more that because he felt like her father.

    I like to bring humor into most situations, and I can't help but picture my daughter in that situation. I would have told her I loved her hours before I knew I was dying (or at least before I told her I was bitten). Putting it in a direct comparison, I save my daughter from the stranger, tell her I love her but we have to hurry, and then as I'm at the end of my rope, go out on a funny line, or a sweet one like "I'll miss you", versus the "I love you". If you raise your kids right, they know that anyway. :P
  • edited February 2013
    I was hoping one of them to say "I love you". Instead all lee said was "I'll miss you..."

    I was a bit dispointed in that -_-. They went though so much together and all Clem got was an "I'll miss you..." I think that if they would of said "I love you." That would of made the ending alittle bit sweet and less depressing..cause honestly I was in tears xD
  • edited February 2013
    Both of them thought it, even though personally, I would have chosen the "I love you" option, if there was one, I think that's something, that's not needed to be said between my Lee and my Clementine, if sacrificing himself doesn't say, that Lee loves her as he would his own daughter, then hell... I don't know...
  • edited February 2013
    Ugh, I wanted to say I love you but the closest to that was I'll miss you. I guess that would've been too much considering that she just saw her parents as walkers. I need her to be strong and I know that if I told her I love her, that would've made her more emotional than she already was. Plus, I know that she knows that I love her, I sacrificed my life for her and my Lee being able to save her was already enough for me. Actions speak louder than words. :)
  • edited February 2013
    AnnaSan wrote: »
    Actions speak louder than words. :)

    Totally agree. Plus, "I'll miss you" was depressing enough, thank you very much.
  • edited February 2013
    Totally agree. Plus, "I'll miss you" was depressing enough, thank you very much.

    Even so, saying "I'll miss you" doesn't necessarily bring me the 100% closure I would of liked.
  • edited February 2013
    Hey. Haven't been on in awhile, but I started this thread because I felt like Clementine had become Lee's daughter in a way. Family doesn't need to be blood. Do parents not love their adoptive children just because they have no blood relation? I am not starting an argument; I just at the time wanted to hear what everyone thought. That is all.
  • edited February 2013
    I felt like Clementine had become Lee's daughter in a way.

    After she knew her real parents are dead for sure, she might've accepted Lee as her new father after some time, which makes the ending just so much sadder...
  • edited February 2013
    Hey. Haven't been on in awhile, but I started this thread because I felt like Clementine had become Lee's daughter in a way. Family doesn't need to be blood. Do parents not love their adoptive children just because they have no blood relation? I am not starting an argument; I just at the time wanted to hear what everyone thought. That is all.

    You're right, Lee basically adopted Clementine. I definitely felt like she was my daughter.
  • What kind of an insecure idiot thinks you have to be a pedophile to say I love you to a child you've been taking care of? I was hoping the option to say it would've been there as well. I'm pretty sure Clementine and Lee both knew that they loved each other though. "I'll miss you" was a suitable replacement, though I'm thinking Lee avoided saying "I love you" simply for the fact that she was seconds away from putting a bullet in his head (in my playthrough) and that probably would've stopped her.

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