Lilly and Clementine enemies ?

Let's say that Lilly and Clem return in season 2 do you guys think that their reunion would be hugs and kisses because i can't see that happening i can imagine Clem always pointing the gun at her and telling her that if she harms one of her new friends she is going to die by her hands and pay for what she has done . If they both appear in season 2 will they be friends or enemies ?

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  • edited May 2013
    I say neither they'll have mixed feelings but I think they would work things out.
  • edited May 2013
    I think that'd be dependent on what sort of role model Lee was for Clem. But if I picture a reunion scene between the both of them, I don't think of hugs and kisses, but the point-a-gun-at-her thing seems more imaginable to me.
  • edited May 2013
    Clem would understand and forgive Lily. She knows what its like to lose someone you love. Not that I would so imagine Lily asking wheres Lee and a hug.
  • edited May 2013
    Clem would understand and forgive Lily. She knows what its like to lose someone you love. Not that I would so imagine Lily asking wheres Lee and a hug.

    I read somewhere that Clem says Lilly must be punished if Lee talks to her at the train, but i haven't tried that yet(never took Lilly with me) so I'm not sure. If it's true though... i don't think Clem would forgive her, at least initially.
  • edited May 2013
    "She killed her... We could tie her up." (or something along those lines).

    I don't think Clementine would want Lilly near her. She wouldn't kill her but she'd avoid her, probably.
  • edited May 2013
    It's a tough call. Clem does seem the type that would forgive, but by the end of season 1, I don't know how she's going to respond to anything. She has literally lost everything, and the game ends before we can see what the toll is. That can change people quite drastically, but some are more resilient than others. Which is Clementine?

    It would also depend on the type of Lee that took care of her. Was your Lee a pragmatic ass who never shied away from being blunt and abrasive? Clem will probably hold a major grudge, if not outright threaten Lilly. Was your Lee compassionate and one to cling to humanity even if it would get people killed? Clem would probably give Lilly a second chance.
  • edited May 2013
    It's something along the lines of asking what Clem thinks of Lilly outside the train, and she says something along the lines of being crazy and that she should be locked up forever. I forget the exact words, but I know Clementine wasn't on good terms with Lilly after that, I mean how could she? Carley and Clem were fairly close, and she watched her get shot in the face by Lilly. I can only imagine what it would do to an eight year-old girl.

    I think that if Lee was there and things hadn't turned out so bad, Clementine and Lilly could have worked it out. Now... I think Clementine has lost much of her innocence and naivety, and her trust of others(especially a traitor...), should be very low. I think it wouldn't be a grand reunion, and they'd either split or their bonds simply wouldn't be repaired. Clem may be young, but she isn't stupid, and she has had to adapt to survive. She was alone at the start of the apocalypse, and she was alone when the season ended. She has to think on her own what is a good idea and what is not. I have to say don't expect a handshake between the two or anything close to it.
  • edited May 2013
    Clem wasn't to fond for Lilly after the incident, she clearly was unsure what Lee should've done with her, I can't recall the conversation outcome when Clem asks what to do with Lilly, but on the train Clem mentions that Lilly gave her her hair clips or something and the footage on the camcorder showed that Lilly and Clem bonded in some way. So I guess if they reunite at first it would be a neutral feeling and later grow closer.
  • edited May 2013
    Let's say that Lilly and Clem return in season 2 do you guys think that their reunion would be hugs and kisses because i can't see that happening i can imagine Clem always pointing the gun at her and telling her that if she harms one of her new friends she is going to die by her hands and pay for what she has done . If they both appear in season 2 will they be friends or enemies ?

    I remember at the train that Clem asked Lee about Lilly. Maybe the response the player chose will be carried over to season 2 and affect how Clem reacts to Lilly. If you talk to Clem before going to the RV to get the pencil I think that's when Clem asks Lee his opinion of Lilly.

    Anyways, I think both need to appear in season 2 in order to carry our choices over to the next season.
  • edited May 2013
    I wouldn't classify them as "enemies", necessarily. To me, enemies are people who are deliberately trying to discredit/hurt/kill/whathaveyou each other, so I don't think Clem is anybody's enemy. I can't see Lilly (knowingly) killing a child either. I have no doubt that Clem will be afraid of Lilly at first, no matter what you tell her outside the RV. I'd think, that depending on Lee's response and Lilly's actions in the second season, Clem will decide whether to trust her again or not. I think, though, that Clem and Lilly are more likely to bond (not nearly as close as the one she had with Lee) faster than strangers from another group due to the sole fact that she and Lilly would be the only (confirmed!) survivors of the Macon group. Hell, in that situation, even if I saw it was Larry walking over that hill I'd run up and give him a giant bar hug.
  • edited May 2013
    I don't think Clementine would be happy to see Lilly due to her thoughts about her after the murder, Clem would not shoot but would not trust her at all and it would be very difficult to gain that trust.
  • edited July 2013
    Clemintine's not stupid, if she runs into Lilly again, she'll hate her after she killed Carley/Doug & Attempted to kill Ben, the two people Clem shows concern for, that alone will show Clem the kind of person Lilly is and depending on the choice you make, she'll witness Lilly selfishly stealing the RV, not only leaving her to die but Lee, Katjaa, Kenny, Ben & Duck. The kind of antagonists she encountered, she'll see Lilly the same way she sees the bandits, St Johns, the Stranger & the Crawford Community. Clem will see her as an enemy, she'll be stabbing Lee and everybody else in the back by making friends with her and as I said, she's not stupid, meeting and talking with the Stranger taught her not to associate with people that will harm others for nothing.
  • edited July 2013
    Before everything went down Lilly did get along with Clem and I think Clem is more grieving The friend she lost and that Lilly got lost in the process
    Clem is still innocent and she would not like Lilly afer what she's done but if there is someone capable of forgiving her it is Clem
  • edited July 2013
    I seriously doubt they'd ever get to anywhere near the relationship they had before.

    Whether she is hateful (perhaps even to the extent of shooting) or more forgiving is something that would be a great thing to have be based on Lee's example as role model.
  • edited July 2013
    Before everything went down Lilly did get along with Clem and I think Clem is more grieving The friend she lost and that Lilly got lost in the process
    Clem is still innocent and she would not like Lilly afer what she's done but if there is someone capable of forgiving her it is Clem

    The same thing can be said for the Stranger, she thought he was a nice guy that wanted to help but then he showed his true colors, Do you see Clem forgiving him after seeing how much of a monster he really is? same goes for Lilly.
  • edited July 2013
    Good point, I am not sure she would shoot Lilly but maybe someone else could do just that, since I always do what she says it would be a very easy choice for me.
  • edited July 2013
    Good point, I am not sure she would shoot Lilly but maybe someone else could do just that, since I always do what she says it would be a very easy choice for me.

    From what we've seen, Clem will only kill if someone she cares about is in danger as we saw what she does when the Stranger was strangling Lee. I can see her making a threat to Lilly.
  • edited July 2013
    So all I would have to do is call Lilly a bitch and watch as Clementine kills her to protect me, and since it was in a act of self defense it would not scar her that much, win for me.
  • edited July 2013
    IceRyder wrote: »
    The same thing can be said for the Stranger, she thought he was a nice guy that wanted to help but then he showed his true colors, Do you see Clem forgiving him after seeing how much of a monster he really is? same goes for Lilly.
    She killed the Stranger who kidnapped her and locked her in a cupboard when the choice was to either let her main protector die or shoot the man who has obviously gone mad and even kept her hostage...
    Lilly is broken in a different way and Clementine will probably forgive her as she has lost so many friends and allies and she would not kill for vengeance
  • edited July 2013
    I don't know, if I was 9 and saw a good friend get killed by someone I would not forgive them anytime soon.
  • edited July 2013
    She killed the Stranger who kidnapped her and locked her in a cupboard when the choice was to either let her main protector die or shoot the man who has obviously gone mad and even kept her hostage...
    Lilly is broken in a different way and Clementine will probably forgive her as she has lost so many friends and allies and she would not kill for vengeance

    She trusted the Stranger enough to tell him everything over the walkie-talkies, she thought he was someone trying to help, she saw Lilly the same way, as someone trying to help but then she goes and guns down a fellow survivor which Clem realized she wasn't a good person she believed she was just as she realized The Stranger wasn't a good person when he kidnapped her.

    If you hadn't noticed, The Stranger is also a broken man that lost his family just like Lilly's a broken woman that lost her father but Clem would see Lilly as the bigger monster because the Stranger didn't know the people he was trying to kill but Lilly did know the person she killed and though Clementine did lose a lot of friends, don't forget that she lost one of those friends to Lilly. The one thing I do agree is that Clem would not kill for vengeance but she would kill if someone she cares about is in danger of being murdered, if there was a choice between letting Lilly kill someone she cares about or killing Lilly, I'm sure she'll make the same decision she did with the Stranger.
  • edited July 2013
    She would not enjoy killing Lilly since he does not like killing at all, but she would do it if there was no other option, I would applaud what ever kills Lilly.
  • edited July 2013
    IceRyder wrote: »
    She trusted the Stranger enough to tell him everything over the walkie-talkies, she thought he was someone trying to help, she saw Lilly the same way, as someone trying to help but then she goes and guns down a fellow survivor which Clem realized she wasn't a good person she believed she was just as she realized The Stranger wasn't a good person when he kidnapped her.

    If you hadn't noticed, The Stranger is also a broken man that lost his family just like Lilly's a broken woman that lost her father but Clem would see Lilly as the bigger monster because the Stranger didn't know the people he was trying to kill but Lilly did know the person she killed and though Clementine did lose a lot of friends, don't forget that she lost one of those friends to Lilly. The one thing I do agree is that Clem would not kill for vengeance but she would kill if someone she cares about is in danger of being murdered, if there was a choice between letting Lilly kill someone she cares about or killing Lilly, I'm sure she'll make the same decision she did with the Stranger.

    Of course Clem would do what is necessary if there was no other choice however Lilly isn't that type of killer...
    Lilly either killed someone she thought was a traitor or Accidentally shot an innocent man when shooting at the traitor...
    Either way Lilly isn't likely to be that kind of risk again if she ever turned up again...
  • edited July 2013
    You have no idea what she is like after Episode 5, it may have only been a few days but for all we know she has gone crazy and is no better then a bandit, anything is possible.
  • edited July 2013
    When she killed Doug she showed remorse and if she killed Carley she was sure she did what needed be done...
    Either way she isn't going to go around shooting just anyone...
    Just as Kenny isn't going to start throwing salt Licks at anyone who coughs...
  • edited July 2013
    I know that, but who knows what Lilly has been doing, she might not be killing people, but I do not believe she has become a nice person after killing Carley.
  • edited July 2013
    It doesn't mean that she has to die...
    I've made my stance on Kenny clear but I did everything I could to help him despite difference of opinion as long as they aren't an actual threat there is no need to hold grudges that will only lead to more death and suffering...
  • edited July 2013
    I know what you mean, but I could not stop myself from killing her, this is what happens when my friends get killed by someone, but for some reason I just hate her more then any other characters from any other game, so no I can not just stop on a dime and say I am sorry for threatening to kill her every time she is brought up, she will die if she comes back and nothing will change that, sorry.
  • edited July 2013
    I think your PC is going to be a lot more dangerous and psychopathic than Lilly ever was...
  • edited July 2013
    That just might be the truth, I might not even trust him with Clementine, but he would a excuse for murdering Lilly, which I would be okay.
  • edited July 2013
    Of course Clem would do what is necessary if there was no other choice however Lilly isn't that type of killer...
    Lilly either killed someone she thought was a traitor or Accidentally shot an innocent man when shooting at the traitor...
    Either way Lilly isn't likely to be that kind of risk again if she ever turned up again...

    What type of killer is she then? Bandits & the St Johns do it for food and The Stranger did it for revenge but Lilly did it for the heck of it.
    Lilly didn't only kill Carley for being a "traitor" but she mostly killed her because Carley refused to be harassed by her. The thought that she can go off if someone calls her a bitch says a lot about her.
    There's no way Clem would trust her after the hell she put the group through.
    When she killed Doug she showed remorse and if she killed Carley she was sure she did what needed be done...

    If killing someone without any proof is the way things need to be done then how is she not a danger to others as you seem to be convinced she's not?
    Either way she isn't going to go around shooting just anyone...

    Carley begs to differ.
  • edited July 2013
    Now I'm getting a bit worried...
    You are a little bit obsessed with Lilly aren't you?
  • edited July 2013
    We both are, it's just something we all need to get used to, and for me I am going to enjoy the hell out of killing her, hell I might even upload it to Youtube, my first ever Youtube vidoe would be just me being so happy at the death of that bitch, now if you excuse me I have to go him punch the hell out of my Lilly punching bag and maybe toss darts at my Lilly dart board.
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