Yeah, this Xbone debacle has turned me around on my opinion of WiiU's tiny little amount of hard drive space.
Would I rather: a) Have my current-gen console games on disc and, barring possible scratches to the disc, be able to do with them whatever I dang well please;
or b) have all my games already on the console, relieving myself from having to disc-swap (which I like about Steam and my PSN games), and yet if my internet goes down or Microsoft's servers go down, within a day my whole console will be unusable?
I was indifferent to the WiiU at first, but you know, I would certainly buy a WiiU before an XBone.
Yeah, this Xbone debacle has turned me around on my opinion of WiiU's tiny little amount of hard drive space.
Would I rather: a) Have my current-gen console games on disc and, barring possible scratches to the disc, be able to do with them whatever I dang well please;
or b) have all my games already on the console, relieving myself from having to disc-swap (which I like about Steam and my PSN games), and yet if my internet goes down or Microsoft's servers go down, within a day my whole console will be unusable?
I was indifferent to the WiiU at first, but you know, I would certainly buy a WiiU before an XBone.
Ah but in the long run, the WiiU turns out to be more capable even in that, because you can always increase the HDD space you need via an external drive.
(So if Nintendo do have saving data to a drive to speed up loading times, it ends up being a much better option than the Xbone's offering)
He didn't say that in that interview. I don't know what he said to make you think that.
He said nothing about removing the 24-hour check-in. All he said was that the infrastructure is designed to be flexible, and that the majority of the world is online and so the XBone is meant for those people who are online. Further, he said that not having access to TV-integration and such is a content provider problem, not a problem with the XBone itself (though he never mentioned the region locks it will have at launch).
He also said that while they would not officially plan to cut people off from their games at the end of the XBone's official support period, it's also too early to talk about what happens at the console's end when it's only just begun (a sentiment that I completely disagree with.)
Considering that the Original XBox's games are no longer supported, you bet your ass that they'll leave XBone customers out in the cold even though they won't admit to it right now.
it's not financially viable to support games after they have been out for a decade...it's not exactly microsofts fault entirely the games makers them selves are the ones doing the work on games..case in point EA shut down servers for games after a few years so only local matches/console based hosting is possible army of two had it's servers shut down and i think tiger woods was another.
And on the 360 epic said they won't put in horde mode in gears judgment as it would cost too much and would be very large dlc pack...
lazy fuckers imo... we pay them for loads of stuff yet they still complain..yet when we complain for not get our monies worth.. they mostly ignore us or give us one or two freebies as if thats enough...
for ps4 fanboi's also as kind of an xbox fanboi i still lol'd
girl = ps4
Announcing the partnership with CDP, but "Poland not included"?
No Slovakia, Czech Republic, Hungaria, Romania, Turkey? Portugal? Greece?? :eek:
Especially PORTUGAL :mad:
You know, it's funny. If you buy an Xbox One and enjoy it for a few years, then - job requirement or whatever - have to move into another country which isn't in Microsoft's tree house club, you can essentially throw away not only all the games you've bought, but also the entire hardware. Just out the window, doesn't work any more. As similar as the Xbox DRM system is to Steam, at least I don't have to throw away my entire computer should I happen to get a job in Poland...
It's going to sink, I guarantee it. They aren't even releasing it in Asia - 60% of the world's population - until late 2014.
Don Mattrick is a complete freakin' idiot who couldn't hype up a Mentos and Coke explosion in a firework factory. Perhaps the most revealing thing he's said so far is "the average internet connection is always on... people are imagining that it isn't." Newsflash - "average" does not mean "every."
Installing games before you play them is going to be a long, boring, tedious process. Downloading games is going to be even worse. I have a pretty good connection and it'll still take more than an hour to download a retail title, and the games are only going to get bigger.
The Kinect is a gimmick. I didn't get a Kinect this generation and I simply will not buy a console that forces me to have something I'm not going to use.
If anything good comes from this it's that Xbox Gold members are going to be getting free games on the 360 in the most shameless and transparent attempt at damage control ever seen.
Right - and we mustn't forget what all those always on gimmicks mean to the technical potential of the console, particularly processor and RAM usage. That Seven gif which was twice on the last pages spoke of 3 GB of those 8 always used by the OS. That could be an accurate number. :eek:
I had truthfully not even thought about that. Crikey. It is, after all, an HD camera (and almost certainly the reason the console is $100 more expensive than the PS4).
What's amazing is that the UK price for the One is pretty much identical to the launch price of the 3DO, a console that notoriously flopped largely due to being too expensive.
Don Mattrick is a complete freakin' idiot who couldn't hype up a Mentos and Coke explosion in a firework factory. Perhaps the most revealing thing he's said so far is "the average internet connection is always on... people are imagining that it isn't." Newsflash - "average" does not mean "every."
He said that? How do you even measure the average connectivity? Can you just smooth over every household not having an internet connection at all by saying that their connection is 0.2% on? Apart from people having unstable connections or turning their routers off when they go to sleep I'd imagine internet connectivity as discrete values where not having a value of "on" won't do you a whole lot good regardless of what the average might be.
Oh I'm pretty sure they sell the ONE at a loss at 500$. I even think the price in the UK & Europe is a loss. These companies make up for the loss in game sales. So if you scare away gamers and only people who need a fancy cable box buy it... You are fucked. But hey. You can always do the live gold membership to get some money for basically nothing.
I strongly think that Microsoft is going to announce a Gold subsidized console that matches or undercuts the PS4 in raw price, but you've got to pay the monthly Gold fee.
He said that? How do you even measure the average connectivity? Can you just smooth over every household not having an internet connection at all by saying that their connection is 0.2% on? Apart from people having unstable connections or turning their routers off when they go to sleep I'd imagine internet connectivity as discrete values where not having a value of "on" won't do you a whole lot good regardless of what the average might be.
I strongly think that Microsoft is going to announce a Gold subsidized console that matches or undercuts the PS4 in raw price, but you've got to pay the monthly Gold fee.
My personal theory is that when the One tanks (and I really hope that gamers worldwide don't let me down on this and vote with their wallets) they'll invest in the 360 again. By that point the cost to make the consoles will be extremely low and there will be a massive library of cheap games for it - perfect budget gaming machines. Add in Gold to the equation and you have a genuinely good chance to make a lot of money for very little.
Hell, the PS2 was being produced for years and people still bought it.
My personal theory is that when the One tanks (and I really hope that gamers worldwide don't let me down on this and vote with their wallets) they'll invest in the 360 again. .
My personal theory is that they will invest heavily into the Xbox One for about three years until they even notice how fundamentally it tanked, then they'll release a new downward compatible console by 2016.
I'm actually interested in the Kinect 2 (it was fun to see companies like Double Fine push the capabilities of the original Kinect), but I'm definitely not going to get an Xbox One for it.
It would be nice if they had PC plans for it, but they were supposed to have PC plans for the original Kinect too, and then those plans fizzled out (the redesign of the Kinect doesn't even allow you to hook up the Kinect to a PC without buying a connector for the original Kinect model).
People will buy it because the average consumer doesn't care about no backwards compatability or equivilant (streaming), or the security concerns, or the DRM policies. What will keep them from buying, however, will be the price, which is why I'm sure we'll see a Gold subsidized SKU by launch that either matches or undercuts the PS4.
People will buy it because the average consumer doesn't care about no backwards compatability or equivilant (streaming), or the security concerns, or the DRM policies.
I must be really strange then. I explicitely bought a 3ds because it also plays DS games and has this neat virtual console.
In short: Sony is going to be pushing for more digital stuff in the future, but they're probably not going to straight-up remove physical stuff, and even if they do they won't for quite some time. People simply aren't ready to go all-digital yet (and personally, I don't think we ever will be, really).
Honestly? Not thrilled. Console online stores have always been overpriced, and part of the reason Steam sales are so good is competition - if they're not cheap, people will buy games elsewhere. I can't see that happening with, say, the PS4 - where else are we going to get Castle Crashers if not the PS Store?
No competition means no reason for prices to go down. And if things are all digital, then there's no competition.
Of course Sony would rather you buy digital than physical. Digital requires less overhead and fewer middle men, which means lower overall expense and more profit per unit sold even at the same per unit price.
No, they're not going to lower digital prices... at least not at first. Digital music has also had its issues with the price being too high at first (which, if my facts are right, it's thanks to Apple's iTunes store for bringing them down.) From what I understand, that's more of an issue with the publisher than the distribution service, if ebook prices are any indication.
In any case, the issue really is that Sony isn't making physical game purchases moot, while Microsoft is. It's akin to people being mad at PC game publishers for requiring the Steam client in order to install a disc-based PC game.
Sure, we're headed toward all-digital, but while there are certain advantages to it, Sony isn't forcing it on us at this point. If they ever do, then we can chastize them for it, but I don't think that they would be stupid enough to require 24-hour or 1-hour authentication like the XBone does, especially when Steam's authentication is 30 days.
Since i saw the trailer for Killer instinct, it just made me wish Nintendo would buy back Rare from Microsoft putting them into the grave. It doesn't help the fact that Rare isn't even making the game.
I still think the PS4 and Wii U are going to get the most money out of the vhs wannabe here.
However... we might want to take this news with an ocean of grains of salt.
No more always online requirement
The console no longer has to check in every 24 hours
All game discs will work on Xbox One as they do on Xbox 360
An Internet connection is only required when initially setting up the console
All downloaded games will function the same when online or offline
No additional restrictions on trading games or loaning discs
Region locks have been dropped
This is not just a DRM concept that Microsoft can drop at will. They've defended this system to the utmost degree and have positioned its 'advantages' in direct response to what Sony has brought to the table.
If you take away all that cloud gaming nonsense, the Xbox One is just a crappy console vastly inferior to the PS4. If you take away the 24 hour check in, the whole 'play wherever you are' idea is dropped as well. The entire Xbox One + E3 presentations, including the present website, would have contained just a host of incorrect information to the public. The entire previous communication to developers concerning the DRM provided would have been one big lie.
I don't believe this, and I won't until Microsoft comes out and actually says it.
The policies they've been implementing for the XBone aren't the sort of thing you can just click your fingers and turn off. They're key features that are bound to be hard-coded into the system. Undoing all of them would be a large amount of time and effort that, while no doubt appealing to the consumer, would probably be a massive headache to implement.
Also, as Vain pointed out, E3 was like, a week and a half ago. Why would they announce all this stuff and then turn round and say "actually, none of that was true"? It be a terrible business decision.
Reversing their stance on one or two of those points? I can see that happening. But all of them? No.
I say thats bull unless if ********** themselves state it. I have a strong feeling that The Xbox one will be remembered as 'the worst creation ever from **********' once this dies off.
Well there is a "new change" on the Xbox One website, that no one can load. All that loaded for me is the title "Your Feedback Matters"
EDIT:Holy crap...
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It's just not going to happen yet, and Microsoft's attempts to plunge head-first into it is misguided (at best).
Would I rather: a) Have my current-gen console games on disc and, barring possible scratches to the disc, be able to do with them whatever I dang well please;
or b) have all my games already on the console, relieving myself from having to disc-swap (which I like about Steam and my PSN games), and yet if my internet goes down or Microsoft's servers go down, within a day my whole console will be unusable?
I was indifferent to the WiiU at first, but you know, I would certainly buy a WiiU before an XBone.
Ah but in the long run, the WiiU turns out to be more capable even in that, because you can always increase the HDD space you need via an external drive.
(So if Nintendo do have saving data to a drive to speed up loading times, it ends up being a much better option than the Xbone's offering)
So Microsoft would finally accept that I bought a game of theirs after having asked me every day for 8 to 9 years if I really really did?
Got burried on last page and I arrogantly want people to see.
He said nothing about removing the 24-hour check-in. All he said was that the infrastructure is designed to be flexible, and that the majority of the world is online and so the XBone is meant for those people who are online. Further, he said that not having access to TV-integration and such is a content provider problem, not a problem with the XBone itself (though he never mentioned the region locks it will have at launch).
He also said that while they would not officially plan to cut people off from their games at the end of the XBone's official support period, it's also too early to talk about what happens at the console's end when it's only just begun (a sentiment that I completely disagree with.)
Considering that the Original XBox's games are no longer supported, you bet your ass that they'll leave XBone customers out in the cold even though they won't admit to it right now.
And on the 360 epic said they won't put in horde mode in gears judgment as it would cost too much and would be very large dlc pack...
lazy fuckers imo... we pay them for loads of stuff yet they still complain..yet when we complain for not get our monies worth.. they mostly ignore us or give us one or two freebies as if thats enough...
for ps4 fanboi's also as kind of an xbox fanboi i still lol'd
girl = ps4
boy = xbone
You know, it's funny. If you buy an Xbox One and enjoy it for a few years, then - job requirement or whatever - have to move into another country which isn't in Microsoft's tree house club, you can essentially throw away not only all the games you've bought, but also the entire hardware. Just out the window, doesn't work any more. As similar as the Xbox DRM system is to Steam, at least I don't have to throw away my entire computer should I happen to get a job in Poland...
interesting choice
http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/xbox-one-allows-you-to-share-games-with-ten-family-members-but-some-details
If that's the way out of the PR desaster, I'd have nothing against it.
Don Mattrick is a complete freakin' idiot who couldn't hype up a Mentos and Coke explosion in a firework factory. Perhaps the most revealing thing he's said so far is "the average internet connection is always on... people are imagining that it isn't." Newsflash - "average" does not mean "every."
Installing games before you play them is going to be a long, boring, tedious process. Downloading games is going to be even worse. I have a pretty good connection and it'll still take more than an hour to download a retail title, and the games are only going to get bigger.
The Kinect is a gimmick. I didn't get a Kinect this generation and I simply will not buy a console that forces me to have something I'm not going to use.
If anything good comes from this it's that Xbox Gold members are going to be getting free games on the 360 in the most shameless and transparent attempt at damage control ever seen.
Right - and we mustn't forget what all those always on gimmicks mean to the technical potential of the console, particularly processor and RAM usage. That Seven gif which was twice on the last pages spoke of 3 GB of those 8 always used by the OS. That could be an accurate number. :eek:
What's amazing is that the UK price for the One is pretty much identical to the launch price of the 3DO, a console that notoriously flopped largely due to being too expensive.
He said that? How do you even measure the average connectivity? Can you just smooth over every household not having an internet connection at all by saying that their connection is 0.2% on? Apart from people having unstable connections or turning their routers off when they go to sleep I'd imagine internet connectivity as discrete values where not having a value of "on" won't do you a whole lot good regardless of what the average might be.
TBF It cost a lot more to have someone watch me jerk off so its really quite a good price for $500.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTAKSBvuT-A
It's the notorious "buy a 360" interview. Skip to around 7:10.
It is by far the most grossly ridiculous comment he has made so far, but it was kinda swept under the rug by the "buy a 360" comment.
My personal theory is that when the One tanks (and I really hope that gamers worldwide don't let me down on this and vote with their wallets) they'll invest in the 360 again. By that point the cost to make the consoles will be extremely low and there will be a massive library of cheap games for it - perfect budget gaming machines. Add in Gold to the equation and you have a genuinely good chance to make a lot of money for very little.
Hell, the PS2 was being produced for years and people still bought it.
My personal theory is that they will invest heavily into the Xbox One for about three years until they even notice how fundamentally it tanked, then they'll release a new downward compatible console by 2016.
They will complain and whine and bitch... and still buy it.
It would be nice if they had PC plans for it, but they were supposed to have PC plans for the original Kinect too, and then those plans fizzled out (the redesign of the Kinect doesn't even allow you to hook up the Kinect to a PC without buying a connector for the original Kinect model).
I must be really strange then. I explicitely bought a 3ds because it also plays DS games and has this neat virtual console.
But you're an informed consumer. Uninformed consumers either don't know or don't care, they just know that someone in the family wants one.
are claiming sony are in talks about going full digital like steam no disc's. and pushing games via download..
yeah...anyone else curious as to how the 'play my game for me via facebook will work ?
In short: Sony is going to be pushing for more digital stuff in the future, but they're probably not going to straight-up remove physical stuff, and even if they do they won't for quite some time. People simply aren't ready to go all-digital yet (and personally, I don't think we ever will be, really).
Honestly? Not thrilled. Console online stores have always been overpriced, and part of the reason Steam sales are so good is competition - if they're not cheap, people will buy games elsewhere. I can't see that happening with, say, the PS4 - where else are we going to get Castle Crashers if not the PS Store?
No competition means no reason for prices to go down. And if things are all digital, then there's no competition.
hacked ?
or just trolling
or just seriously lost his shit...
No, they're not going to lower digital prices... at least not at first. Digital music has also had its issues with the price being too high at first (which, if my facts are right, it's thanks to Apple's iTunes store for bringing them down.) From what I understand, that's more of an issue with the publisher than the distribution service, if ebook prices are any indication.
In any case, the issue really is that Sony isn't making physical game purchases moot, while Microsoft is. It's akin to people being mad at PC game publishers for requiring the Steam client in order to install a disc-based PC game.
Sure, we're headed toward all-digital, but while there are certain advantages to it, Sony isn't forcing it on us at this point. If they ever do, then we can chastize them for it, but I don't think that they would be stupid enough to require 24-hour or 1-hour authentication like the XBone does, especially when Steam's authentication is 30 days.
I still think the PS4 and Wii U are going to get the most money out of the vhs wannabe here.
We live in an interesting world. Obviously.
However... we might want to take this news with an ocean of grains of salt.
This is not just a DRM concept that Microsoft can drop at will. They've defended this system to the utmost degree and have positioned its 'advantages' in direct response to what Sony has brought to the table.
If you take away all that cloud gaming nonsense, the Xbox One is just a crappy console vastly inferior to the PS4. If you take away the 24 hour check in, the whole 'play wherever you are' idea is dropped as well. The entire Xbox One + E3 presentations, including the present website, would have contained just a host of incorrect information to the public. The entire previous communication to developers concerning the DRM provided would have been one big lie.
The policies they've been implementing for the XBone aren't the sort of thing you can just click your fingers and turn off. They're key features that are bound to be hard-coded into the system. Undoing all of them would be a large amount of time and effort that, while no doubt appealing to the consumer, would probably be a massive headache to implement.
Also, as Vain pointed out, E3 was like, a week and a half ago. Why would they announce all this stuff and then turn round and say "actually, none of that was true"? It be a terrible business decision.
Reversing their stance on one or two of those points? I can see that happening. But all of them? No.
EDIT:Holy crap...
IT IS TRUE!
They should be calling it the Xbox 180!