Interesting. Also if you look at the "In the next episode" cinematic you can see Bigby arguing with Crane/Ichabod. It seems like Crane would'v… moree done something bad.
The thing I encourage the most is to wait and see what happens in the following episodes , and we can draw conclusions from there on. Right now we're only at episode 1 , and there's not much to consider except some theories.
Haven't read the comics yet, but if they did that, it wasn't old school at all...
Snow White (of the seven Dwarfs's tale) and Snow White of "Snow-White and Rose-Red" are two completely unrelated characters. Different tales that had nothing to do with each other.
By the way in german the King's daughter with the evil stepmother was called Schneewittchen, the little girl with a sister was Schneeweisschen (her sister : Rosenrot).
They just happened to have quite similar looking names by coincidence, and both were translated as "Snow White" in english.
If Fables reunited the two as a single character, why not, I like the idea - but it's something they came up with, not them being faithful to original versions.
What they do in the comics is have one person be the representation of many different characters in many different stories. For example, Prince Charming in the Fables universe is the same prince in the Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, and Cinderella stories - and the way they make it work makes sense. This also plays into how difficult a particular fable is to kill - the more famous, the more stories, the harder to kill them.
Haven't read the comics yet, but if they did that, it wasn't old school at all...
Snow White (of the seven Dwarfs's tale) and Snow White of "… moreSnow-White and Rose-Red" are two completely unrelated characters. Different tales that had nothing to do with each other.
By the way in german the King's daughter with the evil stepmother was called Schneewittchen, the little girl with a sister was Schneeweisschen (her sister : Rosenrot).
They just happened to have quite similar looking names by coincidence, and both were translated as "Snow White" in english.
If Fables reunited the two as a single character, why not, I like the idea - but it's something they came up with, not them being faithful to original versions.
Could be a lot of things really ... I'd say Bigby is pissed because Crane called the cops when he saw Snow dead (somebody had to call them). And now obviously Fabletown is in danger of being discovered.
I hadn't considered the Headless Horseman until my cousin mentioned him as a possibility after I'd let her play the episode. Until then I'd pretty much pointed the finger at Dee as the killer in my mind. But, yeah, it's definitely possible that's he's the killer, or he's hired muscle for someone else like Dum & Dee are.
Your theory makes a lot of sense since The Wolf Among Us is supposed to be a prequel to the Fables comic, and Snow White is alive during the comic. Her being killed off in the prequel wouldn't make sense at all.
I think someone on the forum said that Crane harassed Snow sexually and because of that he would be fired. So maybe Bigby is angry about what Crane did to Snow?
Could be a lot of things really ... I'd say Bigby is pissed because Crane called the cops when he saw Snow dead (somebody had to call them). And now obviously Fabletown is in danger of being discovered.
Could be a lot of things really ... I'd say Bigby is pissed because Crane called the cops when he saw Snow dead (somebody had to call them). And now obviously Fabletown is in danger of being discovered.
Dammit! So many theories. But I'm sure Ichabod is involved. The cocky shitty pretend Mayor is always involved. But I'm so uncertain on the suspect with the theories. But these threads with the investigations are fun!
Dammit! So many theories. But I'm sure Ichabod is involved. The cocky shitty pretend Mayor is always involved. But I'm so uncertain on the suspect with the theories. But these threads with the investigations are fun!
Snow takes a bullet to the head in the comics and comes out of it just fine, so I would say she's as close to immortal as a Fable can get. Faith is probably not as lucky, since she's from an obscure story that wouldn't be remembered as strongly by people today.
I'd definitely be surprised if the Headless Horseman isn't involved in things somehow, given the decapitations and the fact that Ichabod is so heavily involved in the plot.
The gears in my brain started cranking a few weeks ago when I remembered what story Crane was from. I was sure it was the headless horseman, I just wanted to see if anyone has the same conclusion. When we found Faith's head, Bigby said it was cut off by something "very sharp, or something with magic attached". If I'm not mistaken, the Horseman's sword (or axe in some versions I've read) is both. Not to mention he's cutting off heads, which is only his preferred method. To suspect the Horseman when HEADS are turning up on the doorstep to the same building ICHABOD CRANE works in, is perfectly reasonable. Just like in a real investigation, the only thing we can do at this point is speculate.
As soon as I saw Ichabod there, I immediately got it in my head that the Headless Horseman is the killer. Actually I thought it might have been the Horseman when first the head appeared, but then when I saw Ichabod I was like "Yup. Definitely. This is my hypothesis and I'm sticking to it. I'm right. I know it."
I don't understand why we can't click on the headless horseman in the book.Maybe it's a clue that he is somehow involved.But I personally don't think it's him because we don't know if he made it to fabletown and also it would be too easy.I think the killer is someone that we wouldn't suspect maybe that is even a friend or someone we know well.And besides,what would be his motive? Bigby said that it was a message,the killer wanted us to find Faith's head.And there is powerful magic involved like said the mirror.Even if the headless horseman is involved he is probably not doing this alone.And finally don't forget that we don't know for sure if Faith is really dead.
Im also thinking it has something to do with the headless horseman. I just discovered something in the books. One of the members created a thread called "the books".
TL;TR:
There are some latin phrases written, which point to the headless horseman fable from northern Germany in the "Dark Ages". The victims had to die because of sins. It says that they came back to life every night to warn others of doing the same. The execution by axe was the so called "royal way".
I´m not even convinced the headless horsemen exists. The argument "Any information on the fables in the community is somewhere in these books, there's an image of Ichabod and the Headless Horseman at the right up-corner of the image. So this means that the horseman does exist in this universe and might be in Fabletown." is a logical fallacy. The statement that "All the fables in the community are mentioned in the book" does NOT neccessarily mean that "All the pictures in the book show a truly existing fable".
The fact remains that in the original "Legend of sleepy hollow" short story - as opposed to the Tim Burton Movie -, it is heavily implied that the horseman does NOT exist but is, in fact, just Ichabods rival in disguise, meant to frighten ichabod away from the girl. The Ichabod of fables has much more in common with the short story ichabod than with the movie ichabod. Of course, the fables true history, as told by the comics, is often very different from the fairy tale version, so there MIGHT be a headless horseman. But the fact that he´s never mentioned in the comics OR in the game at all makes me doubt it.
Hm. Of course, maybe someone once again wants to frighen Ichabod by making him believe there is a headless horseman?
yeah, I fully agree. My bad I didn't read the comics yet. You seem to have some background knowledge already, since from what you've said those protagonists have existed in the stories. Prince_Charming also noted in another post that Robin Hood had a role, and those other characters appearing on the "big picture" can make some sense to the whole story.
For a newbie like me, could you recommend some special books/comics to start with?
Does anybody know if the discussion about ttg's coop with Bill Willingham's came to a conclusion? I'm just too curios to start diggin' and looking for more hints inside every pixel of the game, since this is exactly what makes ttg's so enjoyable, besides the humor
Another thing: I did read a lot of posts relating to Tim Burton's story. How are those stories linked to fable?
Anything to start with would be appreciated. Thanks!!!
I´m not even convinced the headless horsemen exists. The argument "Any information on the fables in the community is somewhere in these books,… more there's an image of Ichabod and the Headless Horseman at the right up-corner of the image. So this means that the horseman does exist in this universe and might be in Fabletown." is a logical fallacy. The statement that "All the fables in the community are mentioned in the book" does NOT neccessarily mean that "All the pictures in the book show a truly existing fable".
The fact remains that in the original "Legend of sleepy hollow" short story - as opposed to the Tim Burton Movie -, it is heavily implied that the horseman does NOT exist but is, in fact, just Ichabods rival in disguise, meant to frighten ichabod away from the girl. The Ichabod of fables has much more in common with the short story ichabod than with the movie ichabod. Of course, the fables true history, as told by the comics, is often ver… [view original content]
I haven't read the comics, so take this with a grain of salt, but if we assume that this story is a mystery, it should follow certain rules:
1.) The killer (if there's actually been a murder) should be someone we meet in the first episode.
2.) The identity of the killer should follow logically from clues sprinkled through the narrative.
3.) There should be one or more red herrings.
Now, if I (or Dan Brown, for different reasons) were writing this, I would make Ichabod Crane the killer. Let's look at clues:
1.) Crane is in in charge of fabletown because Old King Cole is 'away', but we're not told why, or when he's expected back. Power is a motive, but kind of a weak, two-dimensional one.
2.) The Woodsman is assaulting Faith in the beginning because she knows who he is. He later confesses to Bigby in the bar that he wasn't planning on saving Red; he was planning on robbing her.
2.a.) The fact that the Woodsman's story is different than what we know from Grimm's tales is also a clue: what we know about these fables is only what we've been told, and the truth is often dramatically different.
3.) All of the characters in the book of fables are individually clickable, except for Ichabod and the Horseman, who are essentially a single entry.
4.) Faith and Snow are similar in height, hair and complexion.
5.) Snow works for Ichabod, but doesn't trust him.
6.) Very little time passes between when you and Snow arrive at the bar and when you find Snow's head. Neither the Woodsman nor Grendel could've severed her head and hidden her body in that amount of time and still participated in the bar fight.
So I think we can rule out the Woodsman, Grendel, Toad, and Lawrence. There's Crane, Beauty, Beast, the Tweedles and probably one or more background characters, but I'm pretty sure it's Crane. Crane's background story (which may not be entirely true, remember) involves decapitation. Crane is in a position of authority, recently inherited from a character who has disappeared for vague, unexplained reasons. Crane is openly hostile to people who work for him, despite needing their help. He also has recurring 'massage' appointments that are commented on by characters for no particular reason. And he drinks at work, apparently. I think Crane is and always has been the Horseman; he killed Faith because she heard about this from one of her clients, and he killed Snow because he needs to make it look like there's a serial killer in fabletown; Snow may also have started to piece things together, or he feared that she did.
Dan Brown would have made it Crane because the villain in all of Dan Brown's book is always the person in authority that you're supposed to be able to trust, but this time he would have made Crane an asshole from the start because he want to 'mix things up'. Haha.
I haven't read the comics, so take this with a grain of salt, but if we assume that this story is a mystery, it should follow certain rules:
1.) The killer (if there's actually been a murder) should be someone we meet in the first episode.
2.) The identity of the killer should follow logically from clues sprinkled through the narrative.
3.) There should be one or more red herrings.
Now, if I (or Dan Brown, for different reasons) were writing this, I would make Ichabod Crane the killer. Let's look at clues:
1.) Crane is in in charge of fabletown because Old King Cole is 'away', but we're not told why, or when he's expected back. Power is a motive, but kind of a weak, two-dimensional one.
2.) The Woodsman is assaulting Faith in the beginning because she knows who he is. He later confesses to Bigby in the bar that he wasn't planning on saving Red; he was planning on robbing her.
2.a.) The fact that the Woodsman's story is different than what we know from Grimm's tales is also a clue: what we know about these fables is only what we've been told, and the truth is often dramatically different.
3.) All of the characters in the book of fables are individually clickable, except for Ichabod and the Horseman, who are essentially a single entry.
4.) Faith and Snow are similar in height, hair and complexion.
5.) Snow works for Ichabod, but doesn't trust him.
6.) Very little time passes between when you and Snow arrive at the bar and when you find Snow's head. Neither the Woodsman nor Grendel could've severed her head and hidden her body in that amount of time and still participated in the bar fight.
So I think we can rule out the Woodsman, Grendel, Toad, and Lawrence. There's Crane, Beauty, Beast, the Tweedles and probably one or more background characters, but I'm pretty sure it's Crane. Crane's background story (which may not be entirely true, remember) involves decapitation. Crane is in a position of authority, recently inherited from a character who has disappeared for vague, unexplained reasons. Crane is openly hostile to people who work for him, despite needing their help. He also has recurring 'massage' appointments that are commented on by characters for no particular reason. And he drinks at work, apparently. I think Crane is and always has been the Horseman; he killed Faith because she heard about this from one of her clients, and he killed Snow because he needs to make it look like there's a serial killer in fabletown; Snow may also have started to piece things together, or he feared that she did.
Dan Brown would have made it Crane because the villain in all of Dan Brown's book is always the person in authority that you're supposed to be able to trust, but this time he would have made Crane an asshole from the start because he want to 'mix things up'. Haha.
I personally that that is not Ichabod at all after all who do we know who likes to cut people's heads off ,and happens to carry a glamour box........perhaps the horseman is glamoured to look like crane
When I started playing episode 2 i was sure ichabod was the killer, why? Cuz in the book of fables thre is the story of how ichabod was ridiculice at Sleepy Hollow and how the horseman maybe doesnt exist, then when TJ is descriving the story of how he founded the body he says that he heard the words "stop laughing at me". Now I dont think he is the killer but he may be involved or is helping the killer
I don't understand why we can't click on the headless horseman in the book.Maybe it's a clue that he is somehow involved.But I personally don'… moret think it's him because we don't know if he made it to fabletown and also it would be too easy.I think the killer is someone that we wouldn't suspect maybe that is even a friend or someone we know well.And besides,what would be his motive? Bigby said that it was a message,the killer wanted us to find Faith's head.And there is powerful magic involved like said the mirror.Even if the headless horseman is involved he is probably not doing this alone.And finally don't forget that we don't know for sure if Faith is really dead.
I think someone on the forum said that Crane harassed Snow sexually and because of that he would be fired. So maybe Bigby is angry about what Crane did to Snow?
i had a similar theory but it was about crane trying to do some ritual to bring the healees horseman back to take his revenge on him by killing people and taking their head off
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I'm curious, what do you think they're arguing about.
I think it has something to do with the whole, 'It's your fault Miss Snow.', in ep1.
emphasis on the according...
I said her ribbon was beautiful, Bigsby just gives a weak hopeful smile and Faith kinda' looks disappointed.
Haven't read the comics yet, but if they did that, it wasn't old school at all...
Snow White (of the seven Dwarfs's tale) and Snow White of "Snow-White and Rose-Red" are two completely unrelated characters. Different tales that had nothing to do with each other.
By the way in german the King's daughter with the evil stepmother was called Schneewittchen, the little girl with a sister was Schneeweisschen (her sister : Rosenrot).
They just happened to have quite similar looking names by coincidence, and both were translated as "Snow White" in english.
If Fables reunited the two as a single character, why not, I like the idea - but it's something they came up with, not them being faithful to original versions.
What they do in the comics is have one person be the representation of many different characters in many different stories. For example, Prince Charming in the Fables universe is the same prince in the Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, and Cinderella stories - and the way they make it work makes sense. This also plays into how difficult a particular fable is to kill - the more famous, the more stories, the harder to kill them.
Could be a lot of things really ... I'd say Bigby is pissed because Crane called the cops when he saw Snow dead (somebody had to call them). And now obviously Fabletown is in danger of being discovered.
I hadn't considered the Headless Horseman until my cousin mentioned him as a possibility after I'd let her play the episode. Until then I'd pretty much pointed the finger at Dee as the killer in my mind. But, yeah, it's definitely possible that's he's the killer, or he's hired muscle for someone else like Dum & Dee are.
Your theory makes a lot of sense since The Wolf Among Us is supposed to be a prequel to the Fables comic, and Snow White is alive during the comic. Her being killed off in the prequel wouldn't make sense at all.
I think someone on the forum said that Crane harassed Snow sexually and because of that he would be fired. So maybe Bigby is angry about what Crane did to Snow?
OH! Crane called the cops? How rude.
Dammit! So many theories. But I'm sure Ichabod is involved. The cocky shitty pretend Mayor is always involved. But I'm so uncertain on the suspect with the theories. But these threads with the investigations are fun!
Excuse me?! I am the perfect mayor!
Snow takes a bullet to the head in the comics and comes out of it just fine, so I would say she's as close to immortal as a Fable can get. Faith is probably not as lucky, since she's from an obscure story that wouldn't be remembered as strongly by people today.
I'd definitely be surprised if the Headless Horseman isn't involved in things somehow, given the decapitations and the fact that Ichabod is so heavily involved in the plot.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think the taxi cab driver is the murderer.
Of course you are! Look out the window. Isn't Fabletown perfect?
The gears in my brain started cranking a few weeks ago when I remembered what story Crane was from. I was sure it was the headless horseman, I just wanted to see if anyone has the same conclusion. When we found Faith's head, Bigby said it was cut off by something "very sharp, or something with magic attached". If I'm not mistaken, the Horseman's sword (or axe in some versions I've read) is both. Not to mention he's cutting off heads, which is only his preferred method. To suspect the Horseman when HEADS are turning up on the doorstep to the same building ICHABOD CRANE works in, is perfectly reasonable. Just like in a real investigation, the only thing we can do at this point is speculate.
That's the orange haired guy.
As soon as I saw Ichabod there, I immediately got it in my head that the Headless Horseman is the killer. Actually I thought it might have been the Horseman when first the head appeared, but then when I saw Ichabod I was like "Yup. Definitely. This is my hypothesis and I'm sticking to it. I'm right. I know it."
Taxi can?
I don't understand why we can't click on the headless horseman in the book.Maybe it's a clue that he is somehow involved.But I personally don't think it's him because we don't know if he made it to fabletown and also it would be too easy.I think the killer is someone that we wouldn't suspect maybe that is even a friend or someone we know well.And besides,what would be his motive? Bigby said that it was a message,the killer wanted us to find Faith's head.And there is powerful magic involved like said the mirror.Even if the headless horseman is involved he is probably not doing this alone.And finally don't forget that we don't know for sure if Faith is really dead.
these are all amazing hypothesis ,i cant wait for the next episode.
Im also thinking it has something to do with the headless horseman. I just discovered something in the books. One of the members created a thread called "the books".
TL;TR:
There are some latin phrases written, which point to the headless horseman fable from northern Germany in the "Dark Ages". The victims had to die because of sins. It says that they came back to life every night to warn others of doing the same. The execution by axe was the so called "royal way".
I´m not even convinced the headless horsemen exists. The argument "Any information on the fables in the community is somewhere in these books, there's an image of Ichabod and the Headless Horseman at the right up-corner of the image. So this means that the horseman does exist in this universe and might be in Fabletown." is a logical fallacy. The statement that "All the fables in the community are mentioned in the book" does NOT neccessarily mean that "All the pictures in the book show a truly existing fable".
The fact remains that in the original "Legend of sleepy hollow" short story - as opposed to the Tim Burton Movie -, it is heavily implied that the horseman does NOT exist but is, in fact, just Ichabods rival in disguise, meant to frighten ichabod away from the girl. The Ichabod of fables has much more in common with the short story ichabod than with the movie ichabod. Of course, the fables true history, as told by the comics, is often very different from the fairy tale version, so there MIGHT be a headless horseman. But the fact that he´s never mentioned in the comics OR in the game at all makes me doubt it.
Hm. Of course, maybe someone once again wants to frighen Ichabod by making him believe there is a headless horseman?
yeah, I fully agree. My bad I didn't read the comics yet. You seem to have some background knowledge already, since from what you've said those protagonists have existed in the stories. Prince_Charming also noted in another post that Robin Hood had a role, and those other characters appearing on the "big picture" can make some sense to the whole story.
For a newbie like me, could you recommend some special books/comics to start with?
Does anybody know if the discussion about ttg's coop with Bill Willingham's came to a conclusion? I'm just too curios to start diggin' and looking for more hints inside every pixel of the game, since this is exactly what makes ttg's so enjoyable, besides the humor
Another thing: I did read a lot of posts relating to Tim Burton's story. How are those stories linked to fable?
Anything to start with would be appreciated. Thanks!!!
I haven't read the comics, so take this with a grain of salt, but if we assume that this story is a mystery, it should follow certain rules:
1.) The killer (if there's actually been a murder) should be someone we meet in the first episode.
2.) The identity of the killer should follow logically from clues sprinkled through the narrative.
3.) There should be one or more red herrings.
Now, if I (or Dan Brown, for different reasons) were writing this, I would make Ichabod Crane the killer. Let's look at clues:
1.) Crane is in in charge of fabletown because Old King Cole is 'away', but we're not told why, or when he's expected back. Power is a motive, but kind of a weak, two-dimensional one.
2.) The Woodsman is assaulting Faith in the beginning because she knows who he is. He later confesses to Bigby in the bar that he wasn't planning on saving Red; he was planning on robbing her.
2.a.) The fact that the Woodsman's story is different than what we know from Grimm's tales is also a clue: what we know about these fables is only what we've been told, and the truth is often dramatically different.
3.) All of the characters in the book of fables are individually clickable, except for Ichabod and the Horseman, who are essentially a single entry.
4.) Faith and Snow are similar in height, hair and complexion.
5.) Snow works for Ichabod, but doesn't trust him.
6.) Very little time passes between when you and Snow arrive at the bar and when you find Snow's head. Neither the Woodsman nor Grendel could've severed her head and hidden her body in that amount of time and still participated in the bar fight.
So I think we can rule out the Woodsman, Grendel, Toad, and Lawrence. There's Crane, Beauty, Beast, the Tweedles and probably one or more background characters, but I'm pretty sure it's Crane. Crane's background story (which may not be entirely true, remember) involves decapitation. Crane is in a position of authority, recently inherited from a character who has disappeared for vague, unexplained reasons. Crane is openly hostile to people who work for him, despite needing their help. He also has recurring 'massage' appointments that are commented on by characters for no particular reason. And he drinks at work, apparently. I think Crane is and always has been the Horseman; he killed Faith because she heard about this from one of her clients, and he killed Snow because he needs to make it look like there's a serial killer in fabletown; Snow may also have started to piece things together, or he feared that she did.
Dan Brown would have made it Crane because the villain in all of Dan Brown's book is always the person in authority that you're supposed to be able to trust, but this time he would have made Crane an asshole from the start because he want to 'mix things up'. Haha.
I haven't read the comics, so take this with a grain of salt, but if we assume that this story is a mystery, it should follow certain rules:
1.) The killer (if there's actually been a murder) should be someone we meet in the first episode.
2.) The identity of the killer should follow logically from clues sprinkled through the narrative.
3.) There should be one or more red herrings.
Now, if I (or Dan Brown, for different reasons) were writing this, I would make Ichabod Crane the killer. Let's look at clues:
1.) Crane is in in charge of fabletown because Old King Cole is 'away', but we're not told why, or when he's expected back. Power is a motive, but kind of a weak, two-dimensional one.
2.) The Woodsman is assaulting Faith in the beginning because she knows who he is. He later confesses to Bigby in the bar that he wasn't planning on saving Red; he was planning on robbing her.
2.a.) The fact that the Woodsman's story is different than what we know from Grimm's tales is also a clue: what we know about these fables is only what we've been told, and the truth is often dramatically different.
3.) All of the characters in the book of fables are individually clickable, except for Ichabod and the Horseman, who are essentially a single entry.
4.) Faith and Snow are similar in height, hair and complexion.
5.) Snow works for Ichabod, but doesn't trust him.
6.) Very little time passes between when you and Snow arrive at the bar and when you find Snow's head. Neither the Woodsman nor Grendel could've severed her head and hidden her body in that amount of time and still participated in the bar fight.
So I think we can rule out the Woodsman, Grendel, Toad, and Lawrence. There's Crane, Beauty, Beast, the Tweedles and probably one or more background characters, but I'm pretty sure it's Crane. Crane's background story (which may not be entirely true, remember) involves decapitation. Crane is in a position of authority, recently inherited from a character who has disappeared for vague, unexplained reasons. Crane is openly hostile to people who work for him, despite needing their help. He also has recurring 'massage' appointments that are commented on by characters for no particular reason. And he drinks at work, apparently. I think Crane is and always has been the Horseman; he killed Faith because she heard about this from one of her clients, and he killed Snow because he needs to make it look like there's a serial killer in fabletown; Snow may also have started to piece things together, or he feared that she did.
Dan Brown would have made it Crane because the villain in all of Dan Brown's book is always the person in authority that you're supposed to be able to trust, but this time he would have made Crane an asshole from the start because he want to 'mix things up'. Haha.
I personally that that is not Ichabod at all after all who do we know who likes to cut people's heads off ,and happens to carry a glamour box........perhaps the horseman is glamoured to look like crane
When I started playing episode 2 i was sure ichabod was the killer, why? Cuz in the book of fables thre is the story of how ichabod was ridiculice at Sleepy Hollow and how the horseman maybe doesnt exist, then when TJ is descriving the story of how he founded the body he says that he heard the words "stop laughing at me". Now I dont think he is the killer but he may be involved or is helping the killer
http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/58360/major-spoilers-the-curious-case-of-ichabod-crane
Faiths dead...
Crane tried to Kiss Snow.
dam u researched the shit out of this, great job man ppl here are really smart.
Red Riding Hood was dead, yet she was in the book.
The Headless Horseman collects heads, he doesn't leave them.
i had a similar theory but it was about crane trying to do some ritual to bring the healees horseman back to take his revenge on him by killing people and taking their head off