How? putting them in prison? not all group has the fanciness of jail like Rick's group,and those scumbags will always find a way to break free and continue to spread danger to everyone.
The St. Johns are much more terrible people than say......Larry for instance.
Yet I killed Larry and didn't kill them. Why? Because I had… more to on that occasion and didn't have to on the other occasion.
You don't kill by character or judgement. You kill by either necessity or mercy. To put things into perspective, Larry was a huge monster that if turned, would be even stronger and manhandle us to pieces with no viable weapon to fight back. Only heavy as hell salt licks which we can only use to drop on bodies lying on the ground.
And Danny St.John, well, Danny was frikin stabbed and then trapped into his own irreversible bear-trap(or human trap), what the hell was he going to do? Spit on me?
And I didn't kill the stranger because of what he did, but because we were in a life-or-death fight. And it so happened that the only way to win this fight is to kill him(otherwise, you die)
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On the flip side, how many people actually survived because of Carver and his compound? Carver was represented very one-sided during Episode 3. When Reggie was bitten he gave him a chance, had the arm amputated and let the guy heal - then put him back to work. He wasn't punished for his injury, but rather for his assistance to people leaving the compound. We know that the cabin group killed people on the way out. Hell, they probably stole supplies, too; where do you think Carlos got all the meds stashed in Sarah's room? It's a very similar situation to Shel's story and Roman from 400 Days. Just letting people leave puts you at risk of them exposing your location to others or taking everything you have with them. If not for the death of George and the fact Rebecca went with the cabin group we don't know if Carver would have even pursued them.
Carver's a piece of shit by all accounts, and during the end of his reign he was a pretty crappy leader. But a lot of those people survived much longer because of his compound. So his existence isn't completely without merit. Two of your reasons were because he was "rude and an asshole" - those are personality faults that many people, even those you are with at the time of meeting Carver, carry themselves. Those aren't really reasons to decide why someone should die or not. Carver was done for whether you stayed and killed him, and when you start believing that you have the right to decide whether someone deserves to live or die is when you plunge head-first into being a megalomaniac. Kill in self defense, sure, but Carver was injured and surrounded by a herd. What Kenny did was all for personal pleasure and revenge.
I'd honestly say that Carver didn't deserve to live. He was cruel, rude, and an asshole. He took things too far and way too seriously as evi… moredent by his actions such as killing Reggie, chasing the cabin crew, killing Walter, forcing Carlos to hit Sarah after she apologized to Carver, and beating Kenny(not counting determinant things). He also continued to insult others until the end even when Kenny was standing over him with a crowbar and both his knee's were shot.
Would you really want to keep a fuckbag like that alive?
You maybe right but... I just CAN'T kill. I cannot give up on my values and beliefs just because someone is REALLY bad or deserves death or … morewants me to kill him/her. Like; ''Kill me. You know you want to. We're more alike.'' No thanks. Because those values explains who I am. I prefer struggling and even dying for what I believe and what I don’t believe.
They must have reason why they wanted to leave.Surely it's because they don't agree with how Carver run things,and obviously carver wouldn't just let them go,a man with that ego,especially with Rebecca coming with them.Reggie was barely given another chance when you see he was brutally executed over a simple mistake,it's clear that he has changed into a monster,I don't think the cabin would've exposed carver's camp when they just wanted to stay away from it as much as possible.If Carver was wise enough in leadership he could've just give Cabin Group a bit of supply as a gesture of good faith and let them be on their way.
Well,for me not only because he was "rude and asshole" he's also a control freak tyrant that overvalue "survival of the fittest" idea like Crawford Oberson,they live there like prisoner or slave,he slapped Sarah when she already feel sorry and understand her mistake,and unnecessary beat Kenny until he partially blind,he could've done more than that had the group didn't plan to escape,nothing's wrong with giving a person a taste of their own medicine,that's how karma works.Which brings me to my first point,you're not descending to their level just because you're doing a lesser evil deed,there are lots of different aspects between them,you have to be all dictatorship and do a lot of exaggerated torture and punishment to be just like him,and like my Clem said "Nobody safe with Carver around".
On the flip side, how many people actually survived because of Carver and his compound? Carver was represented very one-sided during Episode… more 3. When Reggie was bitten he gave him a chance, had the arm amputated and let the guy heal - then put him back to work. He wasn't punished for his injury, but rather for his assistance to people leaving the compound. We know that the cabin group killed people on the way out. Hell, they probably stole supplies, too; where do you think Carlos got all the meds stashed in Sarah's room? It's a very similar situation to Shel's story and Roman from 400 Days. Just letting people leave puts you at risk of them exposing your location to others or taking everything you have with them. If not for the death of George and the fact Rebecca went with the cabin group we don't know if Carver would have even pursued them.
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That's just silly. I think what Jane did to Troy was a dick move (heh) but at the end of the day I don't really fault her for it and I don't… more think lesser of her for doing it and you shouldn't really. On that note though, would you say that Clem loses her humanity if she left the dog to die instead of putting it down in S2E1?
They already shot him twice, Luke has his machete which could kill Carver much quicker than a blunt weapon, and he also has a hand-axe which couold do the job too.
Also the game emphasises how brutal it is: Sarita tells us that she's worried about Kenny changing and saying the person beating him to death isn't the kenny she 'knows', and Luke speaks out against its brutal nature.
Clearly we're supposed to think of it as a particularly gruesome, and unnecessarily so, way of ending Carver's life, otherwise Sarita's comment makes no sense.
It's not psychopathic, it's called getting off vent up anger and frustration. And by that I don't mean the silly "boo hoo, he hit me/made fun of me" anger. No, but rather the sort of anger only a guy like Carver would put into you. Ya know, with his attitude and how he killed your friend and how he beat you to near death and all that.
Only when such an act starts to become a habit to kenny would I start to call him a psychopath or accuse him of psychopathic actions.
Killing is different from murder, in my opinion. Killing could involve self-defense whereas murder implies something coldhearted and something of your will.
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How? putting them in prison? not all group has the fanciness of jail like Rick's group,and those scumbags will always find a way to break free and continue to spread danger to everyone.
Kenny could become a monster by bashing Carver's face in. That kind of revenge is psychopathic.
On the flip side, how many people actually survived because of Carver and his compound? Carver was represented very one-sided during Episode 3. When Reggie was bitten he gave him a chance, had the arm amputated and let the guy heal - then put him back to work. He wasn't punished for his injury, but rather for his assistance to people leaving the compound. We know that the cabin group killed people on the way out. Hell, they probably stole supplies, too; where do you think Carlos got all the meds stashed in Sarah's room? It's a very similar situation to Shel's story and Roman from 400 Days. Just letting people leave puts you at risk of them exposing your location to others or taking everything you have with them. If not for the death of George and the fact Rebecca went with the cabin group we don't know if Carver would have even pursued them.
Carver's a piece of shit by all accounts, and during the end of his reign he was a pretty crappy leader. But a lot of those people survived much longer because of his compound. So his existence isn't completely without merit. Two of your reasons were because he was "rude and an asshole" - those are personality faults that many people, even those you are with at the time of meeting Carver, carry themselves. Those aren't really reasons to decide why someone should die or not. Carver was done for whether you stayed and killed him, and when you start believing that you have the right to decide whether someone deserves to live or die is when you plunge head-first into being a megalomaniac. Kill in self defense, sure, but Carver was injured and surrounded by a herd. What Kenny did was all for personal pleasure and revenge.
Hello Glenn,how's your head?
They must have reason why they wanted to leave.Surely it's because they don't agree with how Carver run things,and obviously carver wouldn't just let them go,a man with that ego,especially with Rebecca coming with them.Reggie was barely given another chance when you see he was brutally executed over a simple mistake,it's clear that he has changed into a monster,I don't think the cabin would've exposed carver's camp when they just wanted to stay away from it as much as possible.If Carver was wise enough in leadership he could've just give Cabin Group a bit of supply as a gesture of good faith and let them be on their way.
Well,for me not only because he was "rude and asshole" he's also a control freak tyrant that overvalue "survival of the fittest" idea like Crawford Oberson,they live there like prisoner or slave,he slapped Sarah when she already feel sorry and understand her mistake,and unnecessary beat Kenny until he partially blind,he could've done more than that had the group didn't plan to escape,nothing's wrong with giving a person a taste of their own medicine,that's how karma works.Which brings me to my first point,you're not descending to their level just because you're doing a lesser evil deed,there are lots of different aspects between them,you have to be all dictatorship and do a lot of exaggerated torture and punishment to be just like him,and like my Clem said "Nobody safe with Carver around".
Hello Governor, how's your... um... you know?
I would say that it makes her less humane, which is a similar idea.
They already shot him twice, Luke has his machete which could kill Carver much quicker than a blunt weapon, and he also has a hand-axe which couold do the job too.
Also the game emphasises how brutal it is: Sarita tells us that she's worried about Kenny changing and saying the person beating him to death isn't the kenny she 'knows', and Luke speaks out against its brutal nature.
Clearly we're supposed to think of it as a particularly gruesome, and unnecessarily so, way of ending Carver's life, otherwise Sarita's comment makes no sense.
It's not psychopathic, it's called getting off vent up anger and frustration. And by that I don't mean the silly "boo hoo, he hit me/made fun of me" anger. No, but rather the sort of anger only a guy like Carver would put into you. Ya know, with his attitude and how he killed your friend and how he beat you to near death and all that.
Only when such an act starts to become a habit to kenny would I start to call him a psychopath or accuse him of psychopathic actions.
Killing is different from murder, in my opinion. Killing could involve self-defense whereas murder implies something coldhearted and something of your will.
This is kind of depressing, seeing people think that killing is the ONLY solution.
Just use your imagination... There has to be other ways.