I'm not saying you cared. I'm saying the writers cared. They cared about the characters and consciously presented them with both good and bad qualities. In season one, they even purposely went back and rewrote the characters to be more/less likable in order to provoke a reaction. But this season, the characters are built purposefully and are well developed, but are then killed off with minimal reaction and significance. This isn't just Nick and Sarah who were treated this way, it also happened with Carlos, Sarita, Matthew, Reggie, Alvin, and Walter. I would also count Christa because she disappeared and was never mentioned again. (In the cases of Matthew, Alvin, and Carlos, their deaths do provoke a reaction from their loved one, but nobody else seems to notice or care)
I did not care when Larry died and I certainly did not care when I left that murderer Lilly behind. Their exit was no more emotional than S… morearah's death. Thanks for proving that it doesn't automatically translate to bad writing simply because you don't agree with the way the writers presented someone's death.
Overreacting over that interview... Good the same producers did not defend his own character and consented her death as obligatory, excusing with the theory of survival of the fittest. Implied that people like Rick and Lee can't survive because they are unfit, because they are disabled and liabilities.
No offense, but I think the fandom(at least the Tumbr fandom, holy shit they're mad) is overreacting over that interview. If they disliked S… morearah, they are allowed to do so, and are allowed to express their opinion. I sincerely doubt they disliked her for being mentally unstable. I didn't really like Sarah either but it had nothing to do with her disabilities, I just didn't like her personality. And in the end, it's a fictional character in a fictional universe. People really shouldn't be taking it so personally, He never said "all mentally disabled/unstable people are useless and should die", but that seems to be how people are interpreting his opinion really.
I agree. I didn't like Sarah that much. Honestly, IMO, she was just kinda there most of the game. But I felt sorry for her. I was as gentle … moreand encouraging as possible to her, and I protected her as much as the game would allow me. Same with Nick. I liked him a lot LESS than I liked Sarah, because, fact is, he was actually kinda mean and violent. But I still didn't want him to die, and I saved him in ep 2. And sometimes I'd like to say I didn't love Sarah and Nick, in order to make points in other discussions. But I don't say anything because I know it would be counterproductive considering how rabid most people are in their admiration of those characters. Instead of getting my point across, I'd just get called an ableist, which I'm NOT. I hate all the "survival of the fittest" bullshit. I believe the strong are meant to protect the weak. But that doesn't change the fact that I didn't love Sarah and Nick.
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I don't mind what people did with sarah, but its their reasoning why that bugs people most. Or their reasoning of why they don't like her.
Although she is just a video game character, there are people like her in real life.
If I was lee in that situation, going back to what you said, I wouldn't let little Clem in that hotel, but as Lee, I could go in and try to convince her.
True, but I feel like a lot of people who don't like Sarah get labeled that way even though they don't feel that way
I mean, choice doesn… more't add much to the game but it does to the experience. A fun aspect of choice is that there is no right or wrong one. People who left Sarah behind are being bombarded with hate. Just because someone left her behind doesn't mean they think she's a burden. What if you were playing as Lee and Clem told you she wanted to stay in the hotel and try to convince Sarah? I bet more people wouldn't let Clementine try. Some people just have survival on their minds. I always try to play the game as the nice guy but if I was in that situation in real life, maybe I would've left her behind (I can't know, though)---not because she's a liability, but because she did not want to leave and she wasn't responding at all
Plus, some people could've left her behind to respect her wishes of wanting to die
Was her death or character poorly done? Even if there is a"cheap" death (Carley, Omid, Ben 2), I still feel sad that the character is gone. Sarah also died with a poorly done death, but the fact that I still didn't care is a reflection of how little I invested in her character
You have a point, but I still don't see why people react so aggressively when someone says they don't like Sarah. Even if they do dislike Sarah for her being overly anxious all the time, it's still just an opinion. You have every right to disagree with them, but to say they're a terrible person/trash/gross/have no heart/deserve to die(all of which I've found in Tumblr comments) just for that opinion is not only immature but incredibly arrogant.
It's just a video game. I'm all for relating to characters and making them as realistic and believable as possible, I get that. But if someone seriously takes it as a personal offense when someone says they don't like a character, they honestly need to sort out their priorities in life.
You not liking Sarah for your reasons isn't a reflection of everyone who doesn't like Sarah.
Fictional portrayals and how we reaction to … morefiction is a reflection of real life. In the end, it really isn't just a fictional character. It's a reflection of real people in real life.
Overreacting over that interview... Good the same producers did not defend his own character and consented her death as obligatory, excusing… more with the theory of survival of the fittest. Implied that people like Rick and Lee can't survive because they are unfit, because they are disabled and liabilities.
Before she died, lots of people hated her, with their only reasons being "she's useless/annoying". But she wasn't. She was a well-written and important character with both weaknesses and strengths.
It was her death that was poorly done. The narrative this episode pushed her to appear useless and one-dimensional. So now the "LOL KILL SARAH" bandwagon has been validated. But she had never been portrayed like that prior to this episode.
Was her death or character poorly done? Even if there is a"cheap" death (Carley, Omid, Ben 2), I still feel sad that the character is gone. … moreSarah also died with a poorly done death, but the fact that I still didn't care is a reflection of how little I invested in her character
See, that's YOUR opinion. Stop acting like it's FACT that she "wasn't annoying" because many people found her to be so. I also don't believe her character was well done at all. If killing her off was meant to make me feel something then it failed horribly meaning the character failed horribly. But this is my opinion and because it doesn't go with Sarah lovers (which makes me hate her even more because of you guys) I'll get down voted for it.
You guys treat your opinions as fact and our opinions as stupid reasoning for disliking a character. Get off your high horses and realize that your opinions aren't fact and simply opinions just like the rest of ours.
Her character was well done. Her death wasn't.
Before she died, lots of people hated her, with their only reasons being "she's useless/an… morenoying". But she wasn't. She was a well-written and important character with both weaknesses and strengths.
It was her death that was poorly done. The narrative this episode pushed her to appear useless and one-dimensional. So now the "LOL KILL SARAH" bandwagon has been validated. But she had never been portrayed like that prior to this episode.
The problem is that Telltale Games and Greg Miller see Sarah's death as a blessing is very gruesome.
EDIT: Basing in the "survival of the… more fittest" theory
EDIT2: Sarah's death had been more like another unfortunate death in the world of TWD but it came this interview shows that are insensitive the group of TellTale Games and Greg Miller.
I'm not trying to treat you like you're stupid. I'm saying that before episode 4 Telltale didn't intend for you to think Sarah was useless, the only people who are insisting this is true never liked her or gave her a chance in the first place.
I've already made some posts talking about Sarah's portrayal so I'm just going to copypaste here:
Sarah was naive, but she wasn't clueless. When Carver came into the cabin, even though Sarah was completely petrified and in the middle of a panic attack, she still was able to recover and to hide.
She shows initiative in asking Clem to learn how to shoot, because she knows that "there are some things she has to know". She is actively seeking to improve herself here, she knows that she needs to know this stuff and she wants to learn.
Prior to episode 4 her attacks were treated in a consistent and respectful manner. She was able to recover when given help, and was never portrayed as hopeless or irredeemable.
She listens to her own conscience and has a strong sense of right and wrong.
When Sarah helps Clem find disinfectant against her father's wishes. She decides to help and gives you bandages whether or not you say you are her friend. She offers her help beforehand, it is not “be my friend or I won’t help you”.
Even if you choose the dismissive/hostile responses to Sarah, she still stands up for Clem against Carver if he hits her, saying "Stop, don't hurt her!" She speaks out against the very same man who had beaten and nearly killed her father the day before, while being totally defenseless. If that's not brave I don't know what is.
If you choose to react negatively toward Sarah, the game seems to treat Sarah as being in the right. For example when Clem tells her to "Grow up", Sarah replies "I'm older than you, and besides, you're the one who just got us in trouble," and Clem stares at the ground and doesn't answer as if to say "You're right."
When Sarah thanks Clem for coming with her in the beginning of the episode, and Clem says "They made me," Sarah replies "I know they did, but it was still nice of you" and Clem looks guilty as if you should feel bad for choosing that dialogue.
Sarah was not an unstoppable badass, and she was never meant to be. But that does not mean that she was not a valuable and developed character.
See, that's YOUR opinion. Stop acting like it's FACT that she "wasn't annoying" because many people found her to be so. I also don't believe… more her character was well done at all. If killing her off was meant to make me feel something then it failed horribly meaning the character failed horribly. But this is my opinion and because it doesn't go with Sarah lovers (which makes me hate her even more because of you guys) I'll get down voted for it.
You guys treat your opinions as fact and our opinions as stupid reasoning for disliking a character. Get off your high horses and realize that your opinions aren't fact and simply opinions just like the rest of ours.
The problem is that Telltale Games and Greg Miller see Sarah's death as a blessing is very gruesome.
EDIT: Basing in the "survival of the… more fittest" theory
EDIT2: Sarah's death had been more like another unfortunate death in the world of TWD but it came this interview shows that are insensitive the group of TellTale Games and Greg Miller.
I'm not really talking about the story, though. I cared when Lilly and Larry left the story. I didn't care when Sarah died (but I WAS NOT ch… moreeering). Sarah's death didn't have a hugely emotional thing. That's my problem. Telltale failed to get a reaction out of me because I didn't like her character
This is exactly what I mean. Larry was obviously not liked by anyone. But when he died, we still felt bad. His death was treated with huge consequence and emotion. You were made to feel more bad when a cranky old racist died than when an innocent fifteen-year old child did. Her death was poorly done, there's really no way around that.
Truth be told I actually enjoyed Larry's character too. But what I'm saying is that even though he was openly antagonistic, the story still treated his death with importance and multiple characters were affected by it. Sarah didn't get that, even though she had previously been an important and sympathetic character.
Just because she's "well written" that means she can't be annoying?
Ben was well written and important character with weaknesses and strengths and one of my favorites, but he was so annoying and he messed up all the time.
He was also a liability like Sarah, but no one attacked TTG when you don't save him and he falls down the whole belltower, lives and gets eaten
Even his second death, he gets that thing right through his body and his legs are presumed broken and he gets shot in the head, presumed.
Her character was well done. Her death wasn't.
Before she died, lots of people hated her, with their only reasons being "she's useless/an… morenoying". But she wasn't. She was a well-written and important character with both weaknesses and strengths.
It was her death that was poorly done. The narrative this episode pushed her to appear useless and one-dimensional. So now the "LOL KILL SARAH" bandwagon has been validated. But she had never been portrayed like that prior to this episode.
I was nice to Sarah, but I didn't like her. But my Clem did. But I left her. I didn't want her to get that other death. The first one is sad, that second one is very sad.
What's even more sad, is that the characters just forget about Sarah. She just died, but the baby is okay!
Truth be told I actually enjoyed Larry's character too. But what I'm saying is that even though he was openly antagonistic, the story still … moretreated his death with importance and multiple characters were affected by it. Sarah didn't get that, even though she had previously been an important and sympathetic character.
"We organics are driven by emotion instead of logic. We will fight even when we know we cannot win."
It's a fact of life, man. Everyone will think their opinion is correct even if it is just an opinion. Shared opinions will often be accompanied by hate and arguments that sometimes have little logic to them, but plenty of emotion.
@smurfbate and you - It's okay to dislike a character, you can find her annoying or consider her a liability or whatever. But what's not okay is being happy or cheering when she died. If you did throw a parade, can you shut the hell up and keep it to yourself since you ALL are obviously offended we're down rating your posts.
Just because she's "well written" that means she can't be annoying?
Ben was well written and important character with weaknesses and stre… morengths and one of my favorites, but he was so annoying and he messed up all the time.
He was also a liability like Sarah, but no one attacked TTG when you don't save him and he falls down the whole belltower, lives and gets eaten
Even his second death, he gets that thing right through his body and his legs are presumed broken and he gets shot in the head, presumed.
What? What the hell are you talking about? I wasn't cheering when she died. I never fucking said that. I'm not a "hate Sarah" person, I just didn't like her that much, but my Clem did.
Sarah was annoying at times, but that was just in 203, no other episode. I don't know why you're telling me this stupid shit because I dont hate Sarah and people dislikng my comments doesn't bother me either.
@smurfbate and you - It's okay to dislike a character, you can find her annoying or consider her a liability or whatever. But what's not oka… morey is being happy or cheering when she died. If you did throw a parade, can you shut the hell up and keep it to yourself since you ALL are obviously offended we're down rating your posts.
I didn't cheer, but how many people that tell people not to cheer at Sarah's death go on to talk about how much they can't wait until Kenny or other controversial characters to die?
@smurfbate and you - It's okay to dislike a character, you can find her annoying or consider her a liability or whatever. But what's not oka… morey is being happy or cheering when she died. If you did throw a parade, can you shut the hell up and keep it to yourself since you ALL are obviously offended we're down rating your posts.
Thats mostly because this forum has gotten beraided by 14 year olds. Cant blame them, I was the same way when I was 14. I didnt realize how wrong and annoying I was back then though.
Anyone here ever played the Mass Effect trilogy?
"We organics are driven by emotion instead of logic. We will fight even when we know we … morecannot win."
It's a fact of life, man. Everyone will think their opinion is correct even if it is just an opinion. Shared opinions will often be accompanied by hate and arguments that sometimes have little logic to them, but plenty of emotion.
I'm not offended at all by the down votes it's just dumb that some of you do it because no matter what is said as long as it has anything negative about Sarah it's just an automatic no matter the points or opinions being made.
Never once did I say I cheered her death, not once. Was I upset by her death? No, because I was not invested in her character at all. I'm personally not invested in any character this season as I haven't grown to like or care about any of them so will I cheer when someone dies? No, but I also won't be sad when any of them die either.
Also, it IS okay for someone to cheer her death because it's their right. It's a video game and if someone wants to be happy a character dies then it's their right to.
@smurfbate and you - It's okay to dislike a character, you can find her annoying or consider her a liability or whatever. But what's not oka… morey is being happy or cheering when she died. If you did throw a parade, can you shut the hell up and keep it to yourself since you ALL are obviously offended we're down rating your posts.
No one was mad at Telltale when he died because both times his deaths were well-written, impactful, important to the plot. The reaction and effect on the characters was very clear. But when Sarah died no one in the story barely noticed.
Just because she's "well written" that means she can't be annoying?
Ben was well written and important character with weaknesses and stre… morengths and one of my favorites, but he was so annoying and he messed up all the time.
He was also a liability like Sarah, but no one attacked TTG when you don't save him and he falls down the whole belltower, lives and gets eaten
Even his second death, he gets that thing right through his body and his legs are presumed broken and he gets shot in the head, presumed.
Thats mostly because this forum has gotten beraided by 14 year olds. Cant blame them, I was the same way when I was 14. I didnt realize how wrong and annoying I was back then though.
No one was mad at Telltale when he died because both times his deaths were well-written, impactful, important to the plot. The reaction and effect on the characters was very clear. But when Sarah died no one in the story barely noticed.
And Nick, he ran off with luke to get Sarah. Also he died trying to save her. if Sarah never ran off, he still would've been alive. Also his death was shitty and the JT petty did a bad job. I despise him for that.
Also I never said any of you laughed or cheered, I was just stating that if you did then that's a problem and you better expect downrates and arguments.
@smurfbate It's their right to do that, but it's my right as well to argue with them non-stop and shower them with downvotes. Then after that happens, they'll go bitch about why people are downrating them. They need to cry me a river.
Personally I don't think the second death was sad at all, it was just weird. Sarah is standing on top of the deck, falls off it, and suddenly is stuck under a pile of planks. Jane for some unknown reason is the only one who can save her, but then she gets hit in the head with a piece of wood so there goes that. Then immediately afterwards, no one mentions a word about it. They don't even bother to kill Sarah's zombified form. And then we go right into the scene with Rebecca's newborn. Suddenly we're supposed to be happy and touched while Rebecca talks about what a good sister Clem would be. That was really just in bad taste.
I was nice to Sarah, but I didn't like her. But my Clem did. But I left her. I didn't want her to get that other death. The first one is sad… more, that second one is very sad.
What's even more sad, is that the characters just forget about Sarah. She just died, but the baby is okay!
And Nick, he ran off with luke to get Sarah. Also he died trying to save her. if Sarah never ran off, he still would've been alive. Also his… more death was shitty and the JT petty did a bad job. I despise him for that.
Also I never said any of you laughed or cheered, I was just stating that if you did then that's a problem and you better expect downrates and arguments.
@smurfbate It's their right to do that, but it's my right as well to argue with them non-stop and shower them with downvotes. Then after that happens, they'll go bitch about why people are downrating them. They need to cry me a river.
Personally I don't think the second death was sad at all, it was just weird. Sarah is standing on top of the deck, falls off it, and suddenl… morey is stuck under a pile of planks. Jane for some unknown reason is the only one who can save her, but then she gets hit in the head with a piece of wood so there goes that. Then immediately afterwards, no one mentions a word about it. They don't even bother to kill Sarah's zombified form. And then we go right into the scene with Rebecca's newborn. Suddenly we're supposed to be happy and touched while Rebecca talks about what a good sister Clem would be. That was really just in bad taste.
Thats mostly because this forum has gotten beraided by 14 year olds. Cant blame them, I was the same way when I was 14. I didnt realize how wrong and annoying I was back then though.
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I'm not saying you cared. I'm saying the writers cared. They cared about the characters and consciously presented them with both good and bad qualities. In season one, they even purposely went back and rewrote the characters to be more/less likable in order to provoke a reaction. But this season, the characters are built purposefully and are well developed, but are then killed off with minimal reaction and significance. This isn't just Nick and Sarah who were treated this way, it also happened with Carlos, Sarita, Matthew, Reggie, Alvin, and Walter. I would also count Christa because she disappeared and was never mentioned again. (In the cases of Matthew, Alvin, and Carlos, their deaths do provoke a reaction from their loved one, but nobody else seems to notice or care)
Overreacting over that interview... Good the same producers did not defend his own character and consented her death as obligatory, excusing with the theory of survival of the fittest. Implied that people like Rick and Lee can't survive because they are unfit, because they are disabled and liabilities.
Exactly but leave the worst part of the interview is disturbing.
I don't mind what people did with sarah, but its their reasoning why that bugs people most. Or their reasoning of why they don't like her.
Although she is just a video game character, there are people like her in real life.
If I was lee in that situation, going back to what you said, I wouldn't let little Clem in that hotel, but as Lee, I could go in and try to convince her.
Was her death or character poorly done? Even if there is a"cheap" death (Carley, Omid, Ben 2), I still feel sad that the character is gone. Sarah also died with a poorly done death, but the fact that I still didn't care is a reflection of how little I invested in her character
You have a point, but I still don't see why people react so aggressively when someone says they don't like Sarah. Even if they do dislike Sarah for her being overly anxious all the time, it's still just an opinion. You have every right to disagree with them, but to say they're a terrible person/trash/gross/have no heart/deserve to die(all of which I've found in Tumblr comments) just for that opinion is not only immature but incredibly arrogant.
It's just a video game. I'm all for relating to characters and making them as realistic and believable as possible, I get that. But if someone seriously takes it as a personal offense when someone says they don't like a character, they honestly need to sort out their priorities in life.
What point are you trying to make here..?
Her character was well done. Her death wasn't.
Before she died, lots of people hated her, with their only reasons being "she's useless/annoying". But she wasn't. She was a well-written and important character with both weaknesses and strengths.
It was her death that was poorly done. The narrative this episode pushed her to appear useless and one-dimensional. So now the "LOL KILL SARAH" bandwagon has been validated. But she had never been portrayed like that prior to this episode.
Producers of TellTale Games didn't even know they are writing only kill characters for fun.
EDIT: Though perhaps not the fault of TellTale Games but obviously were infected by Robert Kirkman is the first to kill characters for fun.
EDIT2: They justified with the theory of survival of the fittest to avoid having to write something more elaborate, that sucks!!!.
See, that's YOUR opinion. Stop acting like it's FACT that she "wasn't annoying" because many people found her to be so. I also don't believe her character was well done at all. If killing her off was meant to make me feel something then it failed horribly meaning the character failed horribly. But this is my opinion and because it doesn't go with Sarah lovers (which makes me hate her even more because of you guys) I'll get down voted for it.
You guys treat your opinions as fact and our opinions as stupid reasoning for disliking a character. Get off your high horses and realize that your opinions aren't fact and simply opinions just like the rest of ours.
TTG kills fan favorites for fun. It's not about this liability shit, they just like to troll the fans.
I'm not trying to treat you like you're stupid. I'm saying that before episode 4 Telltale didn't intend for you to think Sarah was useless, the only people who are insisting this is true never liked her or gave her a chance in the first place.
I've already made some posts talking about Sarah's portrayal so I'm just going to copypaste here:
Sarah was not an unstoppable badass, and she was never meant to be. But that does not mean that she was not a valuable and developed character.
TTG kills fan favorites for fun. It's not about this liability shit, they just like to troll the fans.
I liked Larry
he made me laugh.
Truth be told I actually enjoyed Larry's character too. But what I'm saying is that even though he was openly antagonistic, the story still treated his death with importance and multiple characters were affected by it. Sarah didn't get that, even though she had previously been an important and sympathetic character.
Just because she's "well written" that means she can't be annoying?
Ben was well written and important character with weaknesses and strengths and one of my favorites, but he was so annoying and he messed up all the time.
He was also a liability like Sarah, but no one attacked TTG when you don't save him and he falls down the whole belltower, lives and gets eaten
Even his second death, he gets that thing right through his body and his legs are presumed broken and he gets shot in the head, presumed.
I was nice to Sarah, but I didn't like her. But my Clem did. But I left her. I didn't want her to get that other death. The first one is sad, that second one is very sad.
What's even more sad, is that the characters just forget about Sarah. She just died, but the baby is okay!
Anyone here ever played the Mass Effect trilogy?
"We organics are driven by emotion instead of logic. We will fight even when we know we cannot win."
It's a fact of life, man. Everyone will think their opinion is correct even if it is just an opinion. Shared opinions will often be accompanied by hate and arguments that sometimes have little logic to them, but plenty of emotion.
@smurfbate and you - It's okay to dislike a character, you can find her annoying or consider her a liability or whatever. But what's not okay is being happy or cheering when she died. If you did throw a parade, can you shut the hell up and keep it to yourself since you ALL are obviously offended we're down rating your posts.
What? What the hell are you talking about? I wasn't cheering when she died. I never fucking said that. I'm not a "hate Sarah" person, I just didn't like her that much, but my Clem did.
Sarah was annoying at times, but that was just in 203, no other episode. I don't know why you're telling me this stupid shit because I dont hate Sarah and people dislikng my comments doesn't bother me either.
I didn't cheer, but how many people that tell people not to cheer at Sarah's death go on to talk about how much they can't wait until Kenny or other controversial characters to die?
Thats mostly because this forum has gotten beraided by 14 year olds. Cant blame them, I was the same way when I was 14. I didnt realize how wrong and annoying I was back then though.
I'm not offended at all by the down votes it's just dumb that some of you do it because no matter what is said as long as it has anything negative about Sarah it's just an automatic no matter the points or opinions being made.
Never once did I say I cheered her death, not once. Was I upset by her death? No, because I was not invested in her character at all. I'm personally not invested in any character this season as I haven't grown to like or care about any of them so will I cheer when someone dies? No, but I also won't be sad when any of them die either.
Also, it IS okay for someone to cheer her death because it's their right. It's a video game and if someone wants to be happy a character dies then it's their right to.
No one was mad at Telltale when he died because both times his deaths were well-written, impactful, important to the plot. The reaction and effect on the characters was very clear. But when Sarah died no one in the story barely noticed.
+1.
Something like this....
I'm happy because this is not the only community (Reddit/4chan) for this game.
Clem, Jane, Rebecca, and Luke care about Sarah.
The rest didn't care..
And Nick, he ran off with luke to get Sarah. Also he died trying to save her. if Sarah never ran off, he still would've been alive. Also his death was shitty and the JT petty did a bad job. I despise him for that.
Also I never said any of you laughed or cheered, I was just stating that if you did then that's a problem and you better expect downrates and arguments.
@smurfbate It's their right to do that, but it's my right as well to argue with them non-stop and shower them with downvotes. Then after that happens, they'll go bitch about why people are downrating them. They need to cry me a river.
Somebody needs to do that with amid the ruins
Personally I don't think the second death was sad at all, it was just weird. Sarah is standing on top of the deck, falls off it, and suddenly is stuck under a pile of planks. Jane for some unknown reason is the only one who can save her, but then she gets hit in the head with a piece of wood so there goes that. Then immediately afterwards, no one mentions a word about it. They don't even bother to kill Sarah's zombified form. And then we go right into the scene with Rebecca's newborn. Suddenly we're supposed to be happy and touched while Rebecca talks about what a good sister Clem would be. That was really just in bad taste.
At first, I just thought was just following Luke, but he did die for Sarah.
Yeah, the death wasn't sad, it made me sad and I was shocked that she dies twice.
This is honestly one of the most childish communities I've come across. It's on par with tumblr