I used to like Luke. In fact he was one of my favorites. But then... CLUKE HAPPENED. And the thought of that just completely ruined his character for me.
I don't dislike him, its just that every time I look at him I remember a certain user who annoyed the shit out of me about how much she wanted to have sex with Luke. Its part of the reason I'm on the Kenny side of things.
Oh i still long forgave luke, and i'm slowly but surely working on forgiving kenny for some of the things he also did. I'll always be team l… moreuke, but can't we just say #teamboth?
But seriously, no matter what people love kenny, it should be just as easy to do so to everyone else when they royally mess up. Including Luke.
That Luke needs these defense masterposts just tells me there is actually something to defend, which I never felt was needed. You're kinda shooting him in the foot with this kind of thread.
Not to mention Luke admits that he fucked up and that it was his own fault, the same can't be said for everyone cough Kenny cough cough, like just because Sarita gets bit, Kenny will blame it on Clem for no fucking reason.
That Luke needs these defense masterposts just tells me there is actually something to defend, which I never felt was needed. You're kinda shooting him in the foot with this kind of thread.
All the people saying 'he apologised to me' are referring to one scene which I'll put money on they only get after they saw how to do it and metagamed.
But regardless, whether he apologises in a minuscule fraction of playthroughs isn't the point: he doesn't apologise after he has calmed down, which shows he didn't think what he did was worth apologising for. Which is DEFINITELY was, as he yells at you just as much if you talk to him as if you stay silent.
All the people saying 'he apologised to me' are referring to one scene which I'll put money on they only get after they saw how to do it and… more metagamed.
But regardless, whether he apologises in a minuscule fraction of playthroughs isn't the point: he doesn't apologise after he has calmed down, which shows he didn't think what he did was worth apologising for. Which is DEFINITELY was, as he yells at you just as much if you talk to him as if you stay silent.
I hated Luke, but I still read this anaylsis by our good friend Michael a while back.
My hatred towards him as mellowed out due to this 'defence' thing and because I replayed episode 2, 3 and 4 (couldn't be bothered with 1, but the generated choices were pretty decent). When fighting on the bridge with him and talking to him in Carver's camp I realised that he is actually a pretty awesome guy. He has flaws, like Kenny (who will always remain my favourite), but he has morals and will do everything for his group.
I'm sure that's the mindset of many anti-Lukers.
'I've made up my mind, I don't need to listen to someone else's opinion as they'll just be wrong'.
Can't wait till both Kenny and Luke are dead so we can escape these annoyances.
Interesting to hear from someone who's opinion was shifted slightly by this!
So, after going through 'hating' him and then not so much, do you think you partly hated him because you're strongly pro-Kenny, and felt telltale were trying to get us to like Luke instead?
Or were your reasons for hating him simply because of things he did irrespective of Kenny in episodes 2, 3 and 4?
I hated Luke, but I still read this anaylsis by our good friend Michael a while back.
My hatred towards him as mellowed out due to this '… moredefence' thing and because I replayed episode 2, 3 and 4 (couldn't be bothered with 1, but the generated choices were pretty decent). When fighting on the bridge with him and talking to him in Carver's camp I realised that he is actually a pretty awesome guy. He has flaws, like Kenny (who will always remain my favourite), but he has morals and will do everything for his group.
It's more that people have made up reasons why we should think of him as evil, and this is refuting those as being flawed reasons.
So no, it's not shooting him in the foot at all.
For the episodes up to 4, I couldn't care less about Luke. But when episode 4 came around, I fucking hated him for;
Fucking Jane when he should have been looking for walkers as well as putting everyone, including Rebecca's baby, in danger.
Not giving a damn about Nick but getting all upset when Jane, his fuck buddy, walks out on him.
I hatred him for a while after that, but after a while, when I read Michael's tumblr like a couple of weeks ago, I realised I was a little harsh on Luke. I still was pissed with him, but I couldn't help but feel sorry for the guy. When I replayed part of the season, I realised how close Clem had become to Luke no matter how many times I had pushed him away in the past. He'd looked out for his group no matter what. He put them first every time. He was selfless. That's when I knew that Luke didn't deserve the hate I had given him.
Interesting to hear from someone who's opinion was shifted slightly by this!
So, after going through 'hating' him and then not so much, d… moreo you think you partly hated him because you're strongly pro-Kenny, and felt telltale were trying to get us to like Luke instead?
Or were your reasons for hating him simply because of things he did irrespective of Kenny in episodes 2, 3 and 4?
That is a valid point, but its explained in the masterpost as to why he did it.
That was bad writing, not a character fault. Similarly, Kenny not asking where Matthew is doesn't mean he doesn't care about him. It's just a writing oversight; Nick could be dead at different times in the game, which meant that they couldn't have him completely losing his shit.
Also, there's one thing I don't understand about the Kenny fans who hate Luke: they say they like Kenny because he's flawed, and before episode 4 they say they dont like Luke because he's too perfect, whatever that means. Then in episode 4 he shows flaws, and everyone has a go at him.
For the episodes up to 4, I couldn't care less about Luke. But when episode 4 came around, I fucking hated him for;
* Fucking Jane when… more he should have been looking for walkers as well as putting everyone, including Rebecca's baby, in danger.
* Not giving a damn about Nick but getting all upset when Jane, his fuck buddy, walks out on him.
I hatred him for a while after that, but after a while, when I read Michael's tumblr like a couple of weeks ago, I realised I was a little harsh on Luke. I still was pissed with him, but I couldn't help but feel sorry for the guy. When I replayed part of the season, I realised how close Clem had become to Luke no matter how many times I had pushed him away in the past. He'd looked out for his group no matter what. He put them first every time. He was selfless. That's when I knew that Luke didn't deserve the hate I had given him.
* That is a valid point, but its explained in the masterpost as to why he did it.
* That was bad writing, not a character fault. Similarl… morey, Kenny not asking where Matthew is doesn't mean he doesn't care about him. It's just a writing oversight; Nick could be dead at different times in the game, which meant that they couldn't have him completely losing his shit.
Also, there's one thing I don't understand about the Kenny fans who hate Luke: they say they like Kenny because he's flawed, and before episode 4 they say they dont like Luke because he's too perfect, whatever that means. Then in episode 4 he shows flaws, and everyone has a go at him.
He can't win.
Luke was 'perfect'? I thought people gave him crap for freaking out and dropping Clem, recklessly taking her rather than his friend along on the bridge, 'flaking' during Carver's attack, and for suggesting that Kenny be left behind.
Episode 3 in particular was very Kenny-centric, which already biased a lot of players towards him while Luke's "heroics" were off-screen. In Episode 4 the writers, for some inexplicable reason, decided to make Luke make yet another unlikable decision, as if they believed the fan opinion between Kenny and Luke wasn't already lopsided towards the "asshole in the baseball cap."
Telltale have compeltely missread fan attitudes and subsequently every single mistake kenyn makes he makes up for so the fans can say 'seeeee we told you so', whereas they think everyone loves luke aso try to make him less appealing.
The thing is, the decision WOULD be balanced if kenny had not been in season 1. But loads of people are saving him just because he was in season 1.
Luke was 'perfect'? I thought people gave him crap for freaking out and dropping Clem, recklessly taking her rather than his friend along o… moren the bridge, 'flaking' during Carver's attack, and for suggesting that Kenny be left behind.
Episode 3 in particular was very Kenny-centric, which already biased a lot of players towards him while Luke's "heroics" were off-screen. In Episode 4 the writers, for some inexplicable reason, decided to make Luke make yet another unlikable decision, as if they believed the fan opinion between Kenny and Luke wasn't already lopsided towards the "asshole in the baseball cap."
Yes, I read through that, and i know i've made posts in the past that make me seem like a Kenny fanboy and hate Luke, But it's just sad how serious people take these things.
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So you dislike him because of the actions of a few sex-starved fans, not because of anything in the actual game?
I don't dislike him, its just that every time I look at him I remember a certain user who annoyed the shit out of me about how much she wanted to have sex with Luke. Its part of the reason I'm on the Kenny side of things.
You're famous! But that was an awesome post about Luke you did.
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That Luke needs these defense masterposts just tells me there is actually something to defend, which I never felt was needed. You're kinda shooting him in the foot with this kind of thread.
Kenny needs to vent, it's who he is. He always has to find someone to blame... but he apologised to me.
Exactly my point, all threads like this due is continue the ever playing record, it's just getting boring now.
It's more that people have made up reasons why we should think of him as evil, and this is refuting those as being flawed reasons.
So no, it's not shooting him in the foot at all.
He does that in a tiny, tiny minority of playthroughs.
The fact that he doesn't think to do it after he's calmed down shows that he doesn't think he needs to apologise for it.
All the people saying 'he apologised to me' are referring to one scene which I'll put money on they only get after they saw how to do it and metagamed.
But regardless, whether he apologises in a minuscule fraction of playthroughs isn't the point: he doesn't apologise after he has calmed down, which shows he didn't think what he did was worth apologising for. Which is DEFINITELY was, as he yells at you just as much if you talk to him as if you stay silent.
Like the Sarah fans, you're reading too much into it. Maybe he'll apologise for you in episode 5?
I'm sure that's the mindset of many anti-Lukers.
'I've made up my mind, I don't need to listen to someone else's opinion as they'll just be wrong'.
Can't wait till both Kenny and Luke are dead so we can escape these annoyances.
I hated Luke, but I still read this anaylsis by our good friend Michael a while back.
My hatred towards him as mellowed out due to this 'defence' thing and because I replayed episode 2, 3 and 4 (couldn't be bothered with 1, but the generated choices were pretty decent). When fighting on the bridge with him and talking to him in Carver's camp I realised that he is actually a pretty awesome guy. He has flaws, like Kenny (who will always remain my favourite), but he has morals and will do everything for his group.
I'm not anti-Luke at all bud and there's no such thing as a wrong opinion. I just didn't fancy reading a text dump
Interesting to hear from someone who's opinion was shifted slightly by this!
So, after going through 'hating' him and then not so much, do you think you partly hated him because you're strongly pro-Kenny, and felt telltale were trying to get us to like Luke instead?
Or were your reasons for hating him simply because of things he did irrespective of Kenny in episodes 2, 3 and 4?
When you make people feel like I do, then yes you do.
But there IS such a thing as an substantiated opinion, which is as good as wrong
...what?
That's true, good thing I don't really have an opinion on this post
Luke is my boy, but I'm with Kenny all the way man.
For the episodes up to 4, I couldn't care less about Luke. But when episode 4 came around, I fucking hated him for;
I hatred him for a while after that, but after a while, when I read Michael's tumblr like a couple of weeks ago, I realised I was a little harsh on Luke. I still was pissed with him, but I couldn't help but feel sorry for the guy. When I replayed part of the season, I realised how close Clem had become to Luke no matter how many times I had pushed him away in the past. He'd looked out for his group no matter what. He put them first every time. He was selfless. That's when I knew that Luke didn't deserve the hate I had given him.
That is a valid point, but its explained in the masterpost as to why he did it.
That was bad writing, not a character fault. Similarly, Kenny not asking where Matthew is doesn't mean he doesn't care about him. It's just a writing oversight; Nick could be dead at different times in the game, which meant that they couldn't have him completely losing his shit.
Also, there's one thing I don't understand about the Kenny fans who hate Luke: they say they like Kenny because he's flawed, and before episode 4 they say they dont like Luke because he's too perfect, whatever that means. Then in episode 4 he shows flaws, and everyone has a go at him.
He can't win.
People were sick of him being perfect, so in the one moment he screwed up they had to cherish it and give him a good amount of crap for it.
Luke was 'perfect'? I thought people gave him crap for freaking out and dropping Clem, recklessly taking her rather than his friend along on the bridge, 'flaking' during Carver's attack, and for suggesting that Kenny be left behind.
Episode 3 in particular was very Kenny-centric, which already biased a lot of players towards him while Luke's "heroics" were off-screen. In Episode 4 the writers, for some inexplicable reason, decided to make Luke make yet another unlikable decision, as if they believed the fan opinion between Kenny and Luke wasn't already lopsided towards the "asshole in the baseball cap."
But that's uber uber hypocritical and annoying.
This.
SO much this.
Telltale have compeltely missread fan attitudes and subsequently every single mistake kenyn makes he makes up for so the fans can say 'seeeee we told you so', whereas they think everyone loves luke aso try to make him less appealing.
The thing is, the decision WOULD be balanced if kenny had not been in season 1. But loads of people are saving him just because he was in season 1.
I agree and feel the exact same way.