Oh Sialark, I wish I could've seen this before I did a post on another thread on Luke, I could've written something here instead (rolls on floor) oh waffles T.T
I agree with a lot of what you said though! Like the heart-to-heart thing with Jane and Luke. Although it's really depending on the 'who did you go to first' decision, because if you went with Bonnie and Mike, then Jane and Luke literally had minutes and little time for talking XD that's probably why I always go to the deck with Jane first so I can think 'okay they've talked for a little' before that stuff went down, and not Jane saying 'greetings manly porkable human, let us roll in the hay together at once!' the moment Luke got up there XD
Not sure on the hunting business though. I'm sure he can do it, but if an animal is suffering, let's say it got shot or caught in a trap but it wasn't dead, then he'd probably feel bad for the thing. But if he had to eat, that dude would hunt. Also we do we Luke shoot a gun in Episode 4 when holding off the walkers on the deck. Human beings might be a different story. Still curious if he has ever actually killed anybody though o.o
Omg, it's okay; I just had the time of my life reading that post!!!! * still crying tears of joy * :'D
Hahaha oh man you're right it would only be a few minutes then. Ah and yeah you're right he does shoot there; forgot about that too. Will edit OP.
Yeah agreed. Really don't know if he'd killed anyone before. When he grabbed the gun from Carver, he certainly wasn't slow to do so. If he'd ever killed, it could've been in self-defense or a mercy-kill. I'm really not sure how fast he'd be for self-defense though, or if his reluctance would hold him back. Like in the shootout at the end of ep4? I really don't think he'll be able to shoot there, at least not at first...Arvo, the only unarmed guy was in front of him! So he's not gonna shoot him obviously. And he was saying something like, Don't shoot! Don't shoot! Though I have to admit he was the first person to raise his gun after Arvo told them there would be no compromise.
Oh Sialark, I wish I could've seen this before I did a post on another thread on Luke, I could've written something here instead (rolls on f… moreloor) oh waffles T.T
I agree with a lot of what you said though! Like the heart-to-heart thing with Jane and Luke. Although it's really depending on the 'who did you go to first' decision, because if you went with Bonnie and Mike, then Jane and Luke literally had minutes and little time for talking XD that's probably why I always go to the deck with Jane first so I can think 'okay they've talked for a little' before that stuff went down, and not Jane saying 'greetings manly porkable human, let us roll in the hay together at once!' the moment Luke got up there XD
Not sure on the hunting business though. I'm sure he can do it, but if an animal is suffering, let's say it got shot or caught in a trap but it wasn't dead, then he'd probably feel bad for the thing. But if he had to eat, that dude would hun… [view original content]
One other thing I've thought about is that the cabin group is made up by pairs:
Rebecca and Alvin
Carlos and Sarah
Nick and Pete
And then there's Luke, the odd one out. Yes, one could argue that he was Nick's best friend and seemed to have a good relationship with Pete as well, but let's be honest here, Nick's bond with Pete was stronger than with Luke, I think that becomes evident in 202 during this conversation:
"Look, I know Pete was close to you but you can't..."
to which Nick sharply replied with: "Don't you fucking talk about him!".
So yeah, even though Luke cared a lot about the group he didn't really have someone he could appeal to. If he wanted to talk about his feelings there would be no one appropriate for that. Neither Nick nor Sarah would know how to handle it. Rebecca was in no condition to be bothered by someone else's issues because the imminent birth of the baby was already enough. Alvin, Carlos and Pete were already too busy worrying about Rebecca, Sarah and Nick, respectively.
That's interesting. I'm honestly not sure if Nick's bond with Pete was stronger than the one he had with Luke. Although Nick and Pete obviously cared about each other, their relationship was kinda frosty. Luke and Nick were friends for twenty years though. I think it's like the age-old adage, "You can choose your friends, but you can't choose your family." So sometimes friends tend to be closer.
The relationship between Nick and Luke is also very complex, imo. I'm really a little bothered by how Luke blows Nick off so much when it's clear his friend is going through a rough time. E.g. after Pete died, I wish they had showed Luke actually talk to the poor guy rather than say, "We've gotta keep moving." But then, that's Luke character for you; his idea is to just bottle those emotions and go.
One other thing I've thought about is that the cabin group is made up by pairs:
Rebecca and Alvin
Carlos and Sarah
Nick and Pete
… more And then there's Luke, the odd one out. Yes, one could argue that he was Nick's best friend and seemed to have a good relationship with Pete as well, but let's be honest here, Nick's bond with Pete was stronger than with Luke, I think that becomes evident in 202 during this conversation:
"Look, I know Pete was close to you but you can't..."
to which Nick sharply replied with: "Don't you fucking talk about him!".
So yeah, even though Luke cared a lot about the group he didn't really have someone he could appeal to. If he wanted to talk about his feelings there would be no one appropriate for that. Neither Nick nor Sarah would know how to handle it. Rebecca was in no condition to be bothered by someone else's issues because the imminent birth of the baby was already enough. Alvin, Carlos and Pete were already too busy worrying about Rebecca, Sarah and Nick, respectively.
You raise a good point but I'm not saying he was TRYING to make me feel guilty, I was trying to say that Luke was feeling guilty and in doing so unconsiously projected it onto Clem, in order to make himself feel less guilty. I know he's a good guy and he didn't want to make Clem feel guilty, but the fact is he did make my Clem feel guilty in saying so and that made me angry
Hm ok. Well that's your opinion. I really don't think that's what Luke meant, like I said, from his tone and his expression. Like he was jus… moret expressing his disbelief, not trying to guilt-trip us.
Here's a playthrough I found where after Luke says, "I didn't think you'd leave her," Clem says, "You left her too." Luke responds with, "I know, I know," and he sounds just as disappointed in himself.
Go to 6:33.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OtI7w-1RxE
Edit: He also said, "It's hard to think about," which is not something someone blaming you would say, imo.
You raise a good point but I'm not saying he was TRYING to make me feel guilty, I was trying to say that Luke was feeling guilty and in doin… moreg so unconsiously projected it onto Clem, in order to make himself feel less guilty. I know he's a good guy and he didn't want to make Clem feel guilty, but the fact is he did make my Clem feel guilty in saying so and that made me angry
I've usually always supported Luke except on a few matters, but now I feel really bad for ever doubting him Luke and Nick were my favourite characters this season and Luke's death was just so sad :,( I would swap Jane for Luke in a haeartbeat if I had the choice. I don't even care if the ending would have been predictable, the ending choice should have been between Kenny and Luke
I've usually always supported Luke except on a few matters, but now I feel really bad for ever doubting him Luke and Nick were my favourite… more characters this season and Luke's death was just so sad :,( I would swap Jane for Luke in a haeartbeat if I had the choice. I don't even care if the ending would have been predictable, the ending choice should have been between Kenny and Luke
Do you think that's why he clung so hard to Clem (especially in the first few episodes)? Once (depending on the players choices) Clem started opening up and they started working together, part of Luke was like, "okay, I'm not alone any more!"
This would explain why whenever you side with Kenny or someone else, he looks so devastated. Also, after episode 5 (during their little chat) it seemed like Clem became the only one he felt he could drop his guard around.
One other thing I've thought about is that the cabin group is made up by pairs:
Rebecca and Alvin
Carlos and Sarah
Nick and Pete
… more And then there's Luke, the odd one out. Yes, one could argue that he was Nick's best friend and seemed to have a good relationship with Pete as well, but let's be honest here, Nick's bond with Pete was stronger than with Luke, I think that becomes evident in 202 during this conversation:
"Look, I know Pete was close to you but you can't..."
to which Nick sharply replied with: "Don't you fucking talk about him!".
So yeah, even though Luke cared a lot about the group he didn't really have someone he could appeal to. If he wanted to talk about his feelings there would be no one appropriate for that. Neither Nick nor Sarah would know how to handle it. Rebecca was in no condition to be bothered by someone else's issues because the imminent birth of the baby was already enough. Alvin, Carlos and Pete were already too busy worrying about Rebecca, Sarah and Nick, respectively.
I'm guessing that by 'dropping his guard' you mean opening up emotionally? Cause if you do, I agree, Luke always felt the need to be a beacon of hope for the others, but he feels he can trust Clem enough to show her how emotionally vulnerable he actually is. That's why he gets a bit upset with Clem if she tells Bonnie what they were talking about.
As some people had assumed from previous episodes (and now it's confirmed to be the case), he bottles up his feelings and doesn't let them show, afraid that it will be seen as weakness and bother the group. He felt devastated every time someone from the cabin group died, but usually managed to keep it cool for the others' sakes.
Do you think that's why he clung so hard to Clem (especially in the first few episodes)? Once (depending on the players choices) Clem starte… mored opening up and they started working together, part of Luke was like, "okay, I'm not alone any more!"
This would explain why whenever you side with Kenny or someone else, he looks so devastated. Also, after episode 5 (during their little chat) it seemed like Clem became the only one he felt he could drop his guard around.
Headcanon: As teenagers, Luke and Nick would normally save up their money and go out to a coffee shop at least once a week and simply chat and talk to each other.
Omg, it's okay; I just had the time of my life reading that post!!!! * still crying tears of joy * :'D
Hahaha oh man you're right it woul… mored only be a few minutes then. Ah and yeah you're right he does shoot there; forgot about that too. Will edit OP.
Yeah agreed. Really don't know if he'd killed anyone before. When he grabbed the gun from Carver, he certainly wasn't slow to do so. If he'd ever killed, it could've been in self-defense or a mercy-kill. I'm really not sure how fast he'd be for self-defense though, or if his reluctance would hold him back. Like in the shootout at the end of ep4? I really don't think he'll be able to shoot there, at least not at first...Arvo, the only unarmed guy was in front of him! So he's not gonna shoot him obviously. And he was saying something like, Don't shoot! Don't shoot! Though I have to admit he was the first person to raise his gun after Arvo told them there would be no compromise.
Yes, exactly!
I think it also helps that they are both a lot alike. Both hide their feelings and both realize that being overly emotional and loosing their cool won't help anyone. Additionally, I think in a way, Luke admires Clem. Thinking about what Nick says about their business and taking some of Luke's stories into account, he's a guy who tries hard, has somewhat good ideas, but things just don't go his way sometimes. Clem on the other hand gets things done.
Yes, that definitely makes sense.
I'm guessing that by 'dropping his guard' you mean opening up emotionally? Cause if you do, I agree, Lu… moreke always felt the need to be a beacon of hope for the others, but he feels he can trust Clem enough to show her how emotionally vulnerable he actually is. That's why he gets a bit upset with Clem if she tells Bonnie what they were talking about.
As some people had assumed from previous episodes (and now it's confirmed to be the case), he bottles up his feelings and doesn't let them show, afraid that it will be seen as weakness and bother the group. He felt devastated every time someone from the cabin group died, but usually managed to keep it cool for the others' sakes.
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Oh Sialark, I wish I could've seen this before I did a post on another thread on Luke, I could've written something here instead (rolls on floor) oh waffles T.T
I agree with a lot of what you said though! Like the heart-to-heart thing with Jane and Luke. Although it's really depending on the 'who did you go to first' decision, because if you went with Bonnie and Mike, then Jane and Luke literally had minutes and little time for talking XD that's probably why I always go to the deck with Jane first so I can think 'okay they've talked for a little' before that stuff went down, and not Jane saying 'greetings manly porkable human, let us roll in the hay together at once!' the moment Luke got up there XD
Not sure on the hunting business though. I'm sure he can do it, but if an animal is suffering, let's say it got shot or caught in a trap but it wasn't dead, then he'd probably feel bad for the thing. But if he had to eat, that dude would hunt. Also we do we Luke shoot a gun in Episode 4 when holding off the walkers on the deck. Human beings might be a different story. Still curious if he has ever actually killed anybody though o.o
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Omg, it's okay; I just had the time of my life reading that post!!!! * still crying tears of joy * :'D
Hahaha oh man you're right it would only be a few minutes then. Ah and yeah you're right he does shoot there; forgot about that too. Will edit OP.
Yeah agreed. Really don't know if he'd killed anyone before. When he grabbed the gun from Carver, he certainly wasn't slow to do so. If he'd ever killed, it could've been in self-defense or a mercy-kill. I'm really not sure how fast he'd be for self-defense though, or if his reluctance would hold him back. Like in the shootout at the end of ep4? I really don't think he'll be able to shoot there, at least not at first...Arvo, the only unarmed guy was in front of him! So he's not gonna shoot him obviously. And he was saying something like, Don't shoot! Don't shoot! Though I have to admit he was the first person to raise his gun after Arvo told them there would be no compromise.
One other thing I've thought about is that the cabin group is made up by pairs:
Rebecca and Alvin
Carlos and Sarah
Nick and Pete
And then there's Luke, the odd one out. Yes, one could argue that he was Nick's best friend and seemed to have a good relationship with Pete as well, but let's be honest here, Nick's bond with Pete was stronger than with Luke, I think that becomes evident in 202 during this conversation:
"Look, I know Pete was close to you but you can't..."
to which Nick sharply replied with: "Don't you fucking talk about him!".
So yeah, even though Luke cared a lot about the group he didn't really have someone he could appeal to. If he wanted to talk about his feelings there would be no one appropriate for that. Neither Nick nor Sarah would know how to handle it. Rebecca was in no condition to be bothered by someone else's issues because the imminent birth of the baby was already enough. Alvin, Carlos and Pete were already too busy worrying about Rebecca, Sarah and Nick, respectively.
Dude, you are fucking awesome. I concede defeat.
Also, did you know that bull testicles are a delicacy in some parts of the world? The more you know!
That's interesting. I'm honestly not sure if Nick's bond with Pete was stronger than the one he had with Luke. Although Nick and Pete obviously cared about each other, their relationship was kinda frosty. Luke and Nick were friends for twenty years though. I think it's like the age-old adage, "You can choose your friends, but you can't choose your family." So sometimes friends tend to be closer.
The relationship between Nick and Luke is also very complex, imo. I'm really a little bothered by how Luke blows Nick off so much when it's clear his friend is going through a rough time. E.g. after Pete died, I wish they had showed Luke actually talk to the poor guy rather than say, "We've gotta keep moving." But then, that's Luke character for you; his idea is to just bottle those emotions and go.
You raise a good point but I'm not saying he was TRYING to make me feel guilty, I was trying to say that Luke was feeling guilty and in doing so unconsiously projected it onto Clem, in order to make himself feel less guilty. I know he's a good guy and he didn't want to make Clem feel guilty, but the fact is he did make my Clem feel guilty in saying so and that made me angry
Oh ok. Yeah, unconsciously projecting.
* sigh * I take back every bad thing I ever said about Luke; why did he have to die?
Please, I already know that I'm awesome.
Yeah and chick foetuses are delicacies in china. Like wat.
Have to thaw it out now though
Oh my gawd ;_;
I've usually always supported Luke except on a few matters, but now I feel really bad for ever doubting him
Luke and Nick were my favourite characters this season and Luke's death was just so sad :,( I would swap Jane for Luke in a haeartbeat if I had the choice. I don't even care if the ending would have been predictable, the ending choice should have been between Kenny and Luke
You're right. It should've been between Kenny and Luke.
Do you think that's why he clung so hard to Clem (especially in the first few episodes)? Once (depending on the players choices) Clem started opening up and they started working together, part of Luke was like, "okay, I'm not alone any more!"
This would explain why whenever you side with Kenny or someone else, he looks so devastated. Also, after episode 5 (during their little chat) it seemed like Clem became the only one he felt he could drop his guard around.
Yes, that definitely makes sense.
I'm guessing that by 'dropping his guard' you mean opening up emotionally? Cause if you do, I agree, Luke always felt the need to be a beacon of hope for the others, but he feels he can trust Clem enough to show her how emotionally vulnerable he actually is. That's why he gets a bit upset with Clem if she tells Bonnie what they were talking about.
As some people had assumed from previous episodes (and now it's confirmed to be the case), he bottles up his feelings and doesn't let them show, afraid that it will be seen as weakness and bother the group. He felt devastated every time someone from the cabin group died, but usually managed to keep it cool for the others' sakes.
Headcanon: As teenagers, Luke and Nick would normally save up their money and go out to a coffee shop at least once a week and simply chat and talk to each other.
So Saialark, I got a new headcanon to add...
Luke doesn't like ice fishing XD
Haha oh you...
I guess you could say, he prefers his fishing to be lukewarm.... XD plz no one hit me!
Yes, exactly!
I think it also helps that they are both a lot alike. Both hide their feelings and both realize that being overly emotional and loosing their cool won't help anyone. Additionally, I think in a way, Luke admires Clem. Thinking about what Nick says about their business and taking some of Luke's stories into account, he's a guy who tries hard, has somewhat good ideas, but things just don't go his way sometimes. Clem on the other hand gets things done.