Not the point I was making. Did Lee lie about being Clem's dad? Even to Christa and Omid? To Vernon? He didn't call himself Clem's father, but he might as well been. Same with Kenny. The worst Lee did was lie about knowing Clem, but only because at the time, it would have looked suspicious.
So he lied to their faces twice, when they were in trouble. If you can't lay everything out on the table, then you can't be trusted. If I could have taken in the child and the mother, I would have. I just think the guy will start something.
If it was about a little boy,I would turn them away, yes. Maybe give them some supplies, but I wouldn't let them in. Jane already has a baby and Clem to watch for, after all. A child's death would not be on my hands.
Anyway, I already brought them in for my first playthrough, and I don't change my first playthrough, sooo... yeah.
Lee wasn't Clem's father. Clem's not AJ's sister. Rebecca was not Clem's mother. Kenny is not Clem's uncle or AJ's dad. Yet they all con… moresidered each other 'family' because of the bonds they shared, not because of genetics.
Even if they were strangers prior to the apocalypse, the fact remains that this man and woman have been taking care of a child. If they really had been just exploiting him, the option where you turn them away wouldn't have focused on the boy looking genuinely hurt by Clem's coldness.
In the end, it goes down to the boy. Are you really going to turn away a starving child just because you don't trust his parents?
Not the point I was making. Did Lee lie about being Clem's dad? Even to Christa and Omid? To Vernon? He didn't call himself Clem's father, b… moreut he might as well been. Same with Kenny. The worst Lee did was lie about knowing Clem, but only because at the time, it would have looked suspicious.
So he lied to their faces twice, when they were in trouble. If you can't lay everything out on the table, then you can't be trusted. If I could have taken in the child and the mother, I would have. I just think the guy will start something.
If it was about a little boy,I would turn them away, yes. Maybe give them some supplies, but I wouldn't let them in. Jane already has a baby and Clem to watch for, after all. A child's death would not be on my hands.
Anyway, I already brought them in for my first playthrough, and I don't change my first playthrough, sooo... yeah.
Whilst the 'adopted' argument could be made, I'm going out and guessing that this was something they intentionally wanted to draw our attention to. There's a few hints throughout the scene(s) that they're not all that's there.
1) Somebody had to explicitly sit down and decide, "Right, we're going to have a dark black child, but with an Asian mother and very pale, white, father." If the child was lighter of skin (but still black) I could buy the idea that he was mixed race. The adopted angle is a possibility, but I think that they went out of their way to show this is a hint.
2) The gun. Keeping a gun on him? That's fine. No surprise there. My concern is that as you're making the decision the father slowly reaches behind his back. He ONLY stops when A) Clem lets him in. Clem pulls her own gun. C) Jane makes the decision for you.
3) The kid's sinister "nice hat" and Clem's worried face. I don't know about whether this was intentional, but that "Nice hat" remark sounded a bit more... sinister than just, "Hey, cool hat!"
1) So he was a kid that this couple found and decided to take care of. Did Lee have sinister intentions when he "kidnapped" Clem? Did Luke have sinister intentions when he decided to effectively consider Clem part of his platonic family? Or Kenny? It's obvious that they're not blood-related, but one of the big themes in Season 2 is defining the meaning of family and I'm sure Randy and Pat consider the boy "family" too.
2) I don't doubt the family when they say they're starving and wouldn't last another night out there. The area was already scoured clean back when Luke described it in Episode 3, and after the zombie attack and the survivors' exodus I'm sure there's much less for them go back on. If so, I wouldn't blame Randy for trying to break in and do what he needed to protect his family - especially if two potential allies refuse to help him out.
3) I didn't think his comment was at all sinister. That might just be paranoia talking. Clem's confused reaction to his compliment indicates to me that she doesn't actually know any more how to relate to people her age - she's grown up too fast. That's the real tragedy. Clementine ends the scene holding a baby and a gun, while the boy has neither of those two things. One of them is acting more age-appropriate.
Whilst the 'adopted' argument could be made, I'm going out and guessing that this was something they intentionally wanted to draw our attent… moreion to. There's a few hints throughout the scene(s) that they're not all that's there.
1) Somebody had to explicitly sit down and decide, "Right, we're going to have a dark black child, but with an Asian mother and very pale, white, father." If the child was lighter of skin (but still black) I could buy the idea that he was mixed race. The adopted angle is a possibility, but I think that they went out of their way to show this is a hint.
2) The gun. Keeping a gun on him? That's fine. No surprise there. My concern is that as you're making the decision the father slowly reaches behind his back. He ONLY stops when A) Clem lets him in. Clem pulls her own gun. C) Jane makes the decision for you.
3) The kid's sinister "nice hat" and Clem's worried face. I don't know about whether this was intentional,… [view original content]
I invited them, they really looked desperate and desperate people can do desperate things. Clem and jane are badass, but they're just 2 people, and have a baby to take care of, they have to sleep and could easily be attacked during the night by bigger groups. If you let the family in, they don't have a real reason to harm you, you can share the place and food, fix the building and grow up veggies, defend yourselves from other people. And even if the man is a jerk, he's just 1, while Clem and Jane are 2 and could easily stop him. As for the woman and the kid, they look fine to me, so I don't regret letting them in.
I found the "father" to be quite suspect (his aggressive gesture towards the woman when she tried to hold his hand). But I still invited them in because of the kid. If they tried something I bet Clem and Jane could handle them. Maybe we get another episode like the 400 days one to find out how it continues.
But that depends on your Lee. I saw Lee to be Clem's father-figure, but as where the truth stands, there was no blood tying them together. And if you DO lie, Vernon will not be happy. So you could say I have a similar reaction.
It doesn't matter if the man and child are close; he may be the closest thing to a father he has, but he is not the boy's father. If someone is unable to be honest with me, even to details such as that, then they can't be trusted. Because now I don't know how the three of them managed to get together. I don't know if he's playing the 'guilt trip' with the boy either, just so he can be let it.
Look, the point at the end of the day is that they can't be trusted. Clem and AJ are children, and Jane is a potential determinant. So... yeah, I'd rather play it safe.
I found the "father" to be quite suspect (his aggressive gesture towards the woman when she tried to hold his hand). But I still invited the… morem in because of the kid. If they tried something I bet Clem and Jane could handle them. Maybe we get another episode like the 400 days one to find out how it continues.
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I took Janes advice from ep4. They will only bring us down. Jane and I are going rouge
Not the point I was making. Did Lee lie about being Clem's dad? Even to Christa and Omid? To Vernon? He didn't call himself Clem's father, but he might as well been. Same with Kenny. The worst Lee did was lie about knowing Clem, but only because at the time, it would have looked suspicious.
So he lied to their faces twice, when they were in trouble. If you can't lay everything out on the table, then you can't be trusted. If I could have taken in the child and the mother, I would have. I just think the guy will start something.
If it was about a little boy,I would turn them away, yes. Maybe give them some supplies, but I wouldn't let them in. Jane already has a baby and Clem to watch for, after all. A child's death would not be on my hands.
Anyway, I already brought them in for my first playthrough, and I don't change my first playthrough, sooo... yeah.
I call it bluff.
Lee COULD have lied to Vernon. I know from threads that a lot of people did because they felt entitled to Clem by that point. (I didn't.)
Whilst the 'adopted' argument could be made, I'm going out and guessing that this was something they intentionally wanted to draw our attention to. There's a few hints throughout the scene(s) that they're not all that's there.
1) Somebody had to explicitly sit down and decide, "Right, we're going to have a dark black child, but with an Asian mother and very pale, white, father." If the child was lighter of skin (but still black) I could buy the idea that he was mixed race. The adopted angle is a possibility, but I think that they went out of their way to show this is a hint.
2) The gun. Keeping a gun on him? That's fine. No surprise there. My concern is that as you're making the decision the father slowly reaches behind his back. He ONLY stops when A) Clem lets him in.
Clem pulls her own gun. C) Jane makes the decision for you.
3) The kid's sinister "nice hat" and Clem's worried face. I don't know about whether this was intentional, but that "Nice hat" remark sounded a bit more... sinister than just, "Hey, cool hat!"
His name is Gill.
1) So he was a kid that this couple found and decided to take care of. Did Lee have sinister intentions when he "kidnapped" Clem? Did Luke have sinister intentions when he decided to effectively consider Clem part of his platonic family? Or Kenny? It's obvious that they're not blood-related, but one of the big themes in Season 2 is defining the meaning of family and I'm sure Randy and Pat consider the boy "family" too.
2) I don't doubt the family when they say they're starving and wouldn't last another night out there. The area was already scoured clean back when Luke described it in Episode 3, and after the zombie attack and the survivors' exodus I'm sure there's much less for them go back on. If so, I wouldn't blame Randy for trying to break in and do what he needed to protect his family - especially if two potential allies refuse to help him out.
3) I didn't think his comment was at all sinister. That might just be paranoia talking. Clem's confused reaction to his compliment indicates to me that she doesn't actually know any more how to relate to people her age - she's grown up too fast. That's the real tragedy. Clementine ends the scene holding a baby and a gun, while the boy has neither of those two things. One of them is acting more age-appropriate.
I invited them, they really looked desperate and desperate people can do desperate things. Clem and jane are badass, but they're just 2 people, and have a baby to take care of, they have to sleep and could easily be attacked during the night by bigger groups. If you let the family in, they don't have a real reason to harm you, you can share the place and food, fix the building and grow up veggies, defend yourselves from other people. And even if the man is a jerk, he's just 1, while Clem and Jane are 2 and could easily stop him. As for the woman and the kid, they look fine to me, so I don't regret letting them in.
The guy's hair REMINDS ME TOO MUCH ABOUT LUKE TOO MUCH
I found the "father" to be quite suspect (his aggressive gesture towards the woman when she tried to hold his hand). But I still invited them in because of the kid. If they tried something I bet Clem and Jane could handle them.
Maybe we get another episode like the 400 days one to find out how it continues.
But that depends on your Lee. I saw Lee to be Clem's father-figure, but as where the truth stands, there was no blood tying them together. And if you DO lie, Vernon will not be happy. So you could say I have a similar reaction.
It doesn't matter if the man and child are close; he may be the closest thing to a father he has, but he is not the boy's father. If someone is unable to be honest with me, even to details such as that, then they can't be trusted. Because now I don't know how the three of them managed to get together. I don't know if he's playing the 'guilt trip' with the boy either, just so he can be let it.
Look, the point at the end of the day is that they can't be trusted. Clem and AJ are children, and Jane is a potential determinant. So... yeah, I'd rather play it safe.
I was hoping there could be a dialogue option like ''If they're dangerous, we'll take them out.''.
Really though, I didn't like Randy (the father) but let them in because of Patricia and Gill. We might make a cool community!