[SPOILERS] Rationale on 'psycho' accusations
K0t0
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I'm too confused here because after reading the majority of posts here I can only ascertain that people who sided with Jane are in denial.
Now I dont even like Kenny but Jane had an agenda and it definately was NEVER about proving that Kenny is a Carver. Every time Kenny would get angry, Jane would always pull Clem aside and sprout her nonsense "Clem you see that! Ken is evil trust me Im a total survivor ive seen this all before trust me clem" but then Kenny never actually does cross that line and so shes left looking like an idiot.
What Kenny killers like to forget is that JANE was going to KILL KENNY, infact, that was most likely her plan from the get go! Oooooohhh she couldnt handle that she was wrong about 'survivalism'. She wanted so so bad for Kenny to be the bad guy, to be a malicious killer that she herself became the very thing she projected onto Kenny: a psycho.
At first she tried verbally assaulting Kenny, mentally torturing him, baiting him into attacking her so she could kill him. When that didnt work, and when she failed to convince Clementine to drive off, she crossed yet another line by endangering the baby just so she could prove a point and get to kill Kenny.
For that matter, it raises so many eyebrows at the very notion that people think its anything but normal for Kenny to react the way he did in the first place, heck he should have raised a hand at Jane for taunting him like she did...but did he? Nope, oh but I guess he still must a psycho ey Kenny killers? It really is telling that the main argument against Kenny consists of "Hes losing his mind" and subsequently followed by "besides hes ok with you killing him" not realising that these two statements contradict each other severely as arguments against Kenny.
To reiterate: Kenny wanted to kill Jane out of revenge. Jane wanted to kill Kenny because she didnt like him (this in itself is Carver logic). Kenny killers literally believe that Kenny is the psyho despite this knowledge.
Now I don't even like Kenny, but for goodness sake I'm not going to murder him over it, especially not like Jane wanted to. This was the writers intention and it shows in how if you dont fall for Janes BS then you are treated to two of the best endings.
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Kenny was a psycho for beating Arvo into a bloody pulp and scaring off everyone else.
But he DIDNT, thats just it.
Now, I'm not one of these idiotically shameless Arvo haters, infact I have absolutely no grudge against him and I was nice to him at every opportunity.
Clem compliments Kenny by holding him back whilst Kenny compliments Clem by setting the plans in motion.
If its a question of whether Kenny should be allowed to kill Jane for it? Once again, weigh it upon Jane's action: Endangering everyone by obsessively trying to murder someone she doesnt like. She brought it upon herself, it was insanely obvious that she hid the baby (to the player atleast) and she made no attempt to blurt this out, gee I guess if she did then she'd lose her reason to murder Kenny huh
If someone who saved Jane said "I saved her because I feel I'm more likely to survive with her" the fair enough its a matter of opinion.
But its absolutely foolish to try to trick themselves into believing they put down a beast to spare a beauty.
I'm confused by what you said. Are you saying he didn't beat Arvo half to death? Are you saying he didn't scare Mike and Bonnie into sympathizing with Arvo and trying to escape from Kenny with him? Because that's the game I got.
You talking to me or him?
I'll give you some good advice. When you start learning that everyone has their personal opinions and favorites, then it will be easier on you and easier on the community.
I didn't need Jane to show me Kenny was psycho. Honestly, if there was an option to just agree with her right off the bat.. that would be #MyClementine
Once again, you're attempting to argue your point by essentially saying "Oh yeah well HE DID X and Y so its okay that Jane wants to murder him even though he never murdered anyone innocent!"
You're fitting into the view of a kenny killer, not challenging it
Just because Kenny didn't have the guts to hurt Clementine doesn't mean he wouldn't have had the guts to kill anyone else.
Jane never planned to kill Kenny, she was only planning to try and convince Clementine into leaving with her, if you didn't know, Kenny also tried to convince Clementine that Jane is a bad influence.
If you didn't know, the insults came from both sides, yes Jane was harsh and provoked Kenny, but losing the baby was what got him to snap, he accused Jane of killing the baby, she didn't, she even said she didn't kill the baby.
Kenny knew he was a danger towards Clementine, this shows that he wasn't a psycho and that he could control his actions, but only after killing the one that provoked his actions, if Clementine unintentionally provoked Kenny, we don't know what he would've done.
Yeah cause killing someone out of revenge or out of dislike is not the same crime, Jane didn't want to kill Kenny intentionally she knew what she did was wrong and knew that she would have to face Clementine's judgement, but Kenny was killing Jane out of anger, both of them committed the same crime, they went to such lengths as to cause each other's deaths, this doesn't excuse Jane, and it definitely doesn't excuse Kenny either. They are BOTH like Carver now, the very person they both hated they had become. All of the endings are good, I personally liked the Jane endings best, but that doesn't mean I like Jane more than Kenny, I definitely dislike the fact that Jane lied and I did end up liking Kenny in the end no matter what, but let's face it... they're both psychos.
I'll give you some REAL good advice. When you can act like a grown up and appropriately counter an argument as opposed to bringing up cliches that the rest of the world have come to terms with decades ago, it'll be more progressive on the community.
Once again my point is proven
I'm not justifying Jane's insane actions. I'm literally saying there's a reason why I call Kenny unstable and wanted to do everything in my power to make sure Clem stayed far away from him. If it meant killing him, so be it.
And I take pride in your label of me as "Kenny Killer." I might sign the ends of my posts with that!
When you can act like a grown up
I'm not one of these idiotically shameless Arvo haters
Your actions are speaking louder than your words. Maybe you should follow your own advice.
Edit: I'm going to rerereiterate the main point because it singlehandedly destroys the only arguments kenny killers can be able to come up with:
Kenny was going to kill Jane out of revenge, Jane was orchestrating events so she could kill Kenny for no reason other than she didnt like him. He objectively has the moral highground.
Doesnt make him a good person, but a hell of a lot better than jane.
Might too...
The Kenny Killer
Jane da bae
As others have pointed out, any man would be justified in being angry if he knew Jane deliberately abandoned a baby to provoke him. But he didn't know that. Without any proof, he immediately leaps to the conclusion that she murdered the baby out of spite and tries to kill her without even hearing her out.
I don't know where your anger comes from. Are you Kenny?
-Kenny Killer
"Grrr i still cant counter his point! Oh I know I'll just take what he said, and then say it again in my own words teehee, and ai'll throw in another cliche too! You know, prove his point instead of challenging it"
Yeaah you've got nothing kid, no need to thank me for allowing you the opportunity to act maturely, its called doing the right thing but you expended the good will. (Psst that doesnt make me a bad guy, its called me allowing you to learn from your mistakes)
I disagree, they both stooped to the level where they would kill each other for one person.... they are both equally horrible, trying to kill each other for their own objectives and reasons with their emotions clouding their actions.
They were both wrong. OP's black-and-white thinking apparently means that because some people lost sympathy for Kenny in the final episode, they must automatically be blind followers of another character.
Pretend you're right. I really don't care. I have nothing to prove to you.
But...
It's highly entertaining to watch you kill yourself over other people's opinion.
A Kenny Killer
Never forget to sign your name!
I'm sorry.
-The Killer of Kenneth
I don't why, but people keep forgetting that Kenny brought this upon himself
A copy & paste of one of my previous post.
Kenny: I know exactly what you are. Nothing. Nobody cares about you, and you care about nobody but yourself. And that makes you nothing.
Keep in mind Kenny said this before Jane bashed her dead family. I see the Kenny favoritism now.
Also, Clementine says they should go back to Howe's Hardware.
Kenny: Oh I get, you're both teaming up on me. She's filling your head with bullshit, Clem
Jane: Let her think for herself.
See. Everytime. Everytime. It's Kenny guilt-tripping you. Right there, there should've a choice to completely agree with Jane. And she wouldn't need to hide that baby to prove a point.
I think that Kenny was the one who provoked Jane, not the other way around.
First,I say both of them are equally bad,so you can take that from my point of view.Second,Kenny is like reincarnation of Lilly,with a splash of Carver,since he's willing to kill someone in cold blood just because someone killed his cared ones by accident and be very unreasonable about it,which now that you mention,Carver also seeking the cabin group to take his revenge on Alvin which makes you the denial one here.Also,Jane initially didn't want to kill Kenny as she just told him to back off and sheathed her knife for a moment,but no... Kenny wanted to escalate things further,what's make him different from Carver at that point now? nothing,the madness is consuming him,even he said that shooting him is a good choice,and finally realized that he failed all along.
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say.
And I agree with you.