True, but what I'm trying to say is if it came down to it, I could imagine Jane leaving Clem in a situation like Sarahs... I liked Jane and Kenny but I feel like Kenny is a better protector for Clem...
Well, picking her up from the water and running over a frozen lake that's already breaking up with her in her arms was basically risking her… more life for her, wasn't it?
The combined weight of them could have led to the ice cracking beneath her feet, but she did it anyway.
And besides, she ran TOWARDS a gunfight because she cares about Clem.
I know what you're saying it's just...the evidence to back it up isn't there. It feels more like what you want to believe than the truth,.
Both Kenny AND Jane put their lives on the line for Clem.
hmm...this odd behaviour of hers can be related to carvers in a way.they like most people had very awful exp.that changed their way of thinking in the wrong direction.sigh...it can all be fixed,but there was just no room for it sadly.
i would probably leave jane in the house just like how jane wanted to leave sarah in the house so the walkers can get their meals on....
Ho… morew contradicting of jane....first she says...leave sarah because we gotta be able to survive on our own...and now...she says...clem, let's leave him and together we can survival crap.
Kenny gets a beating from Carver(Okay you could say It was Kennys fault Clem had the Radio in the first place) and Kenny leaves Clem at Wellington even though he could die on his own (Determiant) If you do kill Kenny he shows no harsh judgment against Clem (Determiant) I understand what you're saying but as you said both have done things for Clem but I trust Kenny more....
Dude, Jane runs over a frozen lake that's breaking up while carrying Clem, screaming that everyone needs to look after her.
I'd say that's pretty extra miley.
Clem didn't murder Kenny. She killed him. Murder is when you kill someone with malice (not on accident, like manslaughter) who is not trying to kill you or anyone else (self defense).
When Jane put away the knife (and actually Kenny started the fight too), and Kenny attacked her with the intent to kill her, he was trying to murder her. He was enraged and therefore had an excuse for the murder. However, it's still murder.
Shooting Kenny (stopping Jane's murder) is morally better than being an accomplice to murder. It's the type of thing a police officer would do. It's right and lawful (not that there are laws in TWD).
I'm sorry, but if Clem murdering Kenny after an event designed by Jane to push Kenny beyond his boundary is morally the better choice, I'm going to disagree with that, and say that you're wrong.
Kenny gets a beating from Carver(Okay you could say It was Kennys fault Clem had the Radio in the first place) and Kenny leaves Clem at Well… moreington even though he could die on his own (Determiant) If you do kill Kenny he shows no harsh judgment against Clem (Determiant) I understand what you're saying but as you said both have done things for Clem but I trust Kenny more....
The thing about the defective group thing is that it doesn't matter too much. Clementine can handle herself with defective groups and could survive on her own (of course Telltale would probably never give you the option to lone wolf it out of a group). Although I do agree with the uncertainty to trust the new family. Any group with a proper base that stays in that one base never works out (Carver's place, the place Molly was in, the 400 days diner place, the pharmacy, the motel). Once the group gets past survivalism and has to focus on society, things go to shit, and since every group aims for a safe place and society, Clem will almost always end up in a defective group.
True, but what I'm trying to say is if it came down to it, I could imagine Jane leaving Clem in a situation like Sarahs... I liked Jane and Kenny but I feel like Kenny is a better protector for Clem...
Literally impossible for you to prove me wrong otherwise, unless you can't interrupt story dialogue at all.
What's that saying about opinions and body parts again?
"I don't know what the Fuck you're saying, but I know it's BULLSHIT!" jk, again I understand your points but when it comes down to it I just trust Kenny more than I could trust Jane...
But I'm not saying Kenny hasn't done things to protect Clem.
I'm just saying Jane has too.
The carver thing, as you say I didn't want … moreto take it and he made me.
The wellington thing is metagaming and so shouldn't contribute to the kenny/jane decision
And I respected him when he was nice to Clem after shooting him. Thats why I told him he'll se Katjaa and Duck again.
But that's also metagaming.
"I don't know what the Fuck you're saying, but I know it's BULLSHIT!" jk, again I understand your points but when it comes down to it I just trust Kenny more than I could trust Jane...
It's not morally gray. But even if you think it is, there's no question that societies consider killing someone to stop murder legally better than murder. Most societies consider that justifiable homicide, whereas murder is unlawfully killing someone with malice.
In contrast, killing someone while enraged is sometimes murder and other times a justifiable homicide. Sometimes it reduces the charge to manslaughter, while sometimes it is not considered a defense at all. So, again, from a legal standpoint, killing someone to stop a murder is more protected than killing someone while enraged.
Obviously there is a difference between laws and morality but it seems reasonable to say that one more acceptable and protected by societies is considered more moral.
He isn't 'wrong', it's just his opinion. He isn't specifically 'right', either.
However, at that specific time we don't know for absolute… more certain the event is designed by Jane. So we can't really take that into consideration about whether it's moral.
And then we get to the discussion about whether it's morally better to stop someone else from murdering, even if that means murdering them yourself.
Which never really has an answer. It's morally grey.
It's not morally gray. But even if you think it is, there's no question that societies consider killing someone to stop murder legally bette… morer than murder. Most societies consider that justifiable homicide, whereas murder is unlawfully killing someone with malice.
In contrast, killing someone while enraged is sometimes murder and other times a justifiable homicide. Sometimes it reduces the charge to manslaughter, while sometimes it is not considered a defense at all. So, again, from a legal standpoint, killing someone to stop a murder is more protected than killing someone while enraged.
Obviously there is a difference between laws and morality but it seems reasonable to say that one more acceptable and protected by societies is considered more moral.
I love it when people go around saying that their opinions are facts.
In all seriousness, I really don't think any of the choices are the morally right or wrong one (except for killing them both. I personally think that choice is pretty damn evil). I think all of the other choices are both good and bad, it comes down to how you view the situation.
Not really, she didn't have to take it that far, she proved her point when Kenny got mad, and Clem noticed it, but instead of stoping the fight by telling the truth she kept on, Kenny realized it when it was over, and im sure he would realize it if Jane explained it to him with that proof, I like kenny and yeah he is my favoritte, and before someone starts being rude with me because of that i must said i think both, Kenny and Jane were wrong, both of them accepted it, so there's not a "better" choice, the best choice is stoping the fight, think and fix things like humans, not animals.
She never intended on Clementine to kill Kenny herself, but she just ended up in a position where she's going to get killed by Kenny because… more of Clementine trying to break up the fight. The game purposely did that for the feels, when you ultimately have to kill Kenny yourself, if you so choose the decision.
Kenny had a good run, he was a good guy, but he can't cope with trauma as well as other people. Which makes him dangerous, and detrimental to everyone.
I'm going to be quite honest, I posted this like 1 hour prior to this, the same exact post. Title was called "Jane's Intentions". I was waiting for some responses, but no one was commenting, so I changed up the title, added the bit at the bottom to start some controversy on this topic, for some insight on my opinion.
Uh... she strongly implied to someone that she killed their baby and goaded them into a fight. She has a point about Kenny but I'm failing to see the moral high road here.
so I guess some of y'all love getting lied to. look I don't give a fuck about your opinions, or "facts" like some say, its my clementine and theres no better choice here, cuz in the end everything is going to fall ergo why we having season 3. yall ae like those fucking people that go around saying that their believes, religion (mostly), way of living is wrong, its annoying. you did what you did cool, I mean that shit is going to come back to bite us in a way of some kind of way.
now me?? I thought that what jane was bullshit. point blank. theres no way around it. she fucking lied and had a man killed. and I don't care for any justification you give for jane. it don't matter that was wrong. she FUCKING KNEW WELL that Kenny was going to react that well, she KNEW that she ws going to fight for her life and don't give me that bullshit ohh she put her knife away, so fucking what??? she still didn't stop and told the truth. all that trying to prove a point was bullshit. she got herself killed (determined) and got a man killed (again determined). it could've easily, thw WHOLE situation could've been completely avoided had she just walked in with the baby.
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True, but what I'm trying to say is if it came down to it, I could imagine Jane leaving Clem in a situation like Sarahs... I liked Jane and Kenny but I feel like Kenny is a better protector for Clem...
What's that saying about opinions and body parts again?
hmm...this odd behaviour of hers can be related to carvers in a way.they like most people had very awful exp.that changed their way of thinking in the wrong direction.sigh...it can all be fixed,but there was just no room for it sadly.
Wonderful, ain't it?
lol dont you see the dots.check the message again.they are separate sentences
Kenny gets a beating from Carver(Okay you could say It was Kennys fault Clem had the Radio in the first place) and Kenny leaves Clem at Wellington even though he could die on his own (Determiant) If you do kill Kenny he shows no harsh judgment against Clem (Determiant) I understand what you're saying but as you said both have done things for Clem but I trust Kenny more....
Clem didn't murder Kenny. She killed him. Murder is when you kill someone with malice (not on accident, like manslaughter) who is not trying to kill you or anyone else (self defense).
When Jane put away the knife (and actually Kenny started the fight too), and Kenny attacked her with the intent to kill her, he was trying to murder her. He was enraged and therefore had an excuse for the murder. However, it's still murder.
Shooting Kenny (stopping Jane's murder) is morally better than being an accomplice to murder. It's the type of thing a police officer would do. It's right and lawful (not that there are laws in TWD).
Depends on your Clementine, but i do think choosing to save Jane is a lot more empathetic.
But I'm not saying Kenny hasn't done things to protect Clem.
I'm just saying Jane has too.
The carver thing, as you say I didn't want to take it and he made me.
The wellington thing is metagaming and so shouldn't contribute to the kenny/jane decision
And I respected him when he was nice to Clem after shooting him. Thats why I told him he'll se Katjaa and Duck again.
But that's also metagaming.
The thing about the defective group thing is that it doesn't matter too much. Clementine can handle herself with defective groups and could survive on her own (of course Telltale would probably never give you the option to lone wolf it out of a group). Although I do agree with the uncertainty to trust the new family. Any group with a proper base that stays in that one base never works out (Carver's place, the place Molly was in, the 400 days diner place, the pharmacy, the motel). Once the group gets past survivalism and has to focus on society, things go to shit, and since every group aims for a safe place and society, Clem will almost always end up in a defective group.
Well in a hour i will be drunk as a skunk playing live, so i could care less. Kenny is my friend.
'Imagine' is the key word: she came back for Clem and swore never to do it again, and that's good enough for me
The bigger the opinion the smaller the penis?
"I don't know what the Fuck you're saying, but I know it's BULLSHIT!" jk, again I understand your points but when it comes down to it I just trust Kenny more than I could trust Jane...
I think we can agree to disagree, like I said I just trust Kenny as a protector more than I do Jane....
That's fine, I was just curious
Your morals = factually correct morals that all people should have, because opinions are stupid
"Curious huh? Thats real nice considering this is all YOUR fault in the first place"... (Sorry I had to put a quote in
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It's not morally gray. But even if you think it is, there's no question that societies consider killing someone to stop murder legally better than murder. Most societies consider that justifiable homicide, whereas murder is unlawfully killing someone with malice.
In contrast, killing someone while enraged is sometimes murder and other times a justifiable homicide. Sometimes it reduces the charge to manslaughter, while sometimes it is not considered a defense at all. So, again, from a legal standpoint, killing someone to stop a murder is more protected than killing someone while enraged.
Obviously there is a difference between laws and morality but it seems reasonable to say that one more acceptable and protected by societies is considered more moral.
Yeah, that's a fair argument.
TeamJane
'I spy with my little eye an ASSHOLE'
Yeah, two can play at this game bitch
"Talk about me like that and I will FUCKIN end you"
So you're saying that, because this is a game, the right decision is the one that gives you the best experience? That doesn't sound right.
"You know why people talk about you behind your back? Because THEY'RE SCARED of you. That little kid is growing up to be TERRIFIED OF YOU."
I love it when people go around saying that their opinions are facts.
In all seriousness, I really don't think any of the choices are the morally right or wrong one (except for killing them both. I personally think that choice is pretty damn evil). I think all of the other choices are both good and bad, it comes down to how you view the situation.
"Shut Up, Shut Up, Shut the Fuck Up"
"You're both acting like children!"
HAH!
"Stay Out of this Criggz"
Not really, she didn't have to take it that far, she proved her point when Kenny got mad, and Clem noticed it, but instead of stoping the fight by telling the truth she kept on, Kenny realized it when it was over, and im sure he would realize it if Jane explained it to him with that proof, I like kenny and yeah he is my favoritte, and before someone starts being rude with me because of that i must said i think both, Kenny and Jane were wrong, both of them accepted it, so there's not a "better" choice, the best choice is stoping the fight, think and fix things like humans, not animals.
"Going with Jane is the best/moral choice, no matter what you say in my opinion."
there you go, I fixed it for you.:)
I'm going to be quite honest, I posted this like 1 hour prior to this, the same exact post. Title was called "Jane's Intentions". I was waiting for some responses, but no one was commenting, so I changed up the title, added the bit at the bottom to start some controversy on this topic, for some insight on my opinion.
Oh? When did they say that? XD was it in a session of Playing Dead?
Well written post,I'm so glad to leave with Jane,she's a well thought and well experienced character.
That's a bullcrap reason. There's no such thing as a canon ending. Stop that.
You don't even know if Season 3 will be about Clem at all.
It's confirmed that we will play again as Clementine in season 3.
While I personally think that every ending in this game is a canon ending.
No, it's not. Developers can not and will not reveal or outright confirm anything about the new season this soon after this one's finale.
FuckJane
Kenny is love, Kenny is life.
Uh... she strongly implied to someone that she killed their baby and goaded them into a fight. She has a point about Kenny but I'm failing to see the moral high road here.
so I guess some of y'all love getting lied to. look I don't give a fuck about your opinions, or "facts" like some say, its my clementine and theres no better choice here, cuz in the end everything is going to fall ergo why we having season 3. yall ae like those fucking people that go around saying that their believes, religion (mostly), way of living is wrong, its annoying. you did what you did cool, I mean that shit is going to come back to bite us in a way of some kind of way.
now me?? I thought that what jane was bullshit. point blank. theres no way around it. she fucking lied and had a man killed. and I don't care for any justification you give for jane. it don't matter that was wrong. she FUCKING KNEW WELL that Kenny was going to react that well, she KNEW that she ws going to fight for her life and don't give me that bullshit ohh she put her knife away, so fucking what??? she still didn't stop and told the truth. all that trying to prove a point was bullshit. she got herself killed (determined) and got a man killed (again determined). it could've easily, thw WHOLE situation could've been completely avoided had she just walked in with the baby.