is jane a better mentor then lee?
oh, i already see the jane hate coming. but try to view it objectively.
in all the time lee spend with clementine he never thought about teaching her. how long were they together until finally someone pointed out the obvious for him? most of the time he did not even bother to explain something to her. she had to come to him and ask.
literally the first thing jane does when they spend time together was to teach her. and in 10 minutes she teaches her more then lee in the what seems like an eternity they spend together.
lee almost asks to get bitten,
while jane wears protective clothing and always makes sure the walkers are actually down for good.
she points out the fatal flaw in her group and pretty much predicts all the problems they face.
jane actively searches for tools for survival and gets uses essential for survival out of simple items like a nail file.
lee used that one time a coin as a screwdriver.
i guess clementine got the habit of ignoring or leaving useful weapons behind from lee.
- the pitchfork? the cannibal's gun? whatever tool he got out of the train? he even says something like "a shovel is never not useful" right before putting it away and ignoring it from this moment forward.
jane has a truly smart haircut.
jane immediately points out the fatal flaw of clementines choice of weapon and offers her her own weapon. i doubt lee would have noticed that.
she teaches her a neat trick that compensate somewhat for her size.
has lee learned anything while fighting all this walkers?
she animates her to use noise to her advantage.
but worst of all: while lee goes with clementine on a search for the parents, he knows are dead, and never thought about preparing her slowly for the truth, when just mentioning his fathers bite would have been enough,
jane confronts clementine with reality. she tells her finding her friends is a shot in the dark, she warns about the group falling apart, rebecca's baby, teaches her that some people just can not be saved.
and she prepares her for the worst by letting her kill nick in a save environment, while lee forces clem to jump in the cold water.
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in your dreams baby
how about your some arguments?
Well the time that Lee was with Clementine the apocalypse just begon, when she met Jane that was more then 2 years later so Jane lived longer in the apocalypse to understand how everything works
In response to the thread title,
No she's not.
Ok...
Lee taught Clementine how to survive from the start and she's still alive now.
Christa and Omid taught Clementine how to survive from the end of Episode 5 of Season 1 and she's alive now.
Christa taught Clementine how to survive from Omid's death to the second year into the apocalypse and she's alive now.
Jane taught Clementine how to survive less than two weeks ago and she's still alive.
Jane has only taught her new ways to kill the dead and how she can scavenge and use tools to her advantage, Lee is the best mentor, for Clementine probably wouldn't even be alive if it wasn't for him.
Yeah , no.
In your dreams
Sorry, but no.
The apocalypse just started, how else would Lee know shit?
Am I the only one that agrees with OP?
Lee is the only reason why Clem is alive now, and he sacrificed himself to save her. Meanwhile, Jane left her sister behind and let her die in cold blood. I don't really think a survival person like Jane would be any good to Clem...
Your argument is invalid, Lee only survived the early stages of the apocalypse unlike Clementine who GREW up and met Jane midst the apocalypse. People only learnt to accomodoate to the apocalypse in the later stages. So realistically nobody knew an outbreak was going to occur. In Lee's era people were like we will just deal with walkers and get this through until it ends but when it continued for years, people learnt to live with it.
Sure Jane taught Clementine survival skills but she was in no way better than Lee as a mentor (in my opinion) Lee cared for Clementine and protected her throughout season 1, he helped her when she was in danger however Jane doesnt try to help (she ran away in the car scene when Clementine couldn't get out) I don't exactly hate Jane but she isn't my favourite, she can be quite selfish but with Lee he was selfless and a better role model for Clementine (in my opinion)
Exactly, and in my book she endangered the baby just to prove a stupid point.
You don't go around joking with the death of a baby, less so in the fucking zombie apocalypse.
imo christa is the best :C
lol No Lee did everything right (At least in my play-though he did). Jane on the other hand got herself killed by Kenny (Unless you chose to save her) just to prove a pointless point to Clem. I mean Arvo did nearly get the group killed even if you didn't rob him so Kenny's anger was justified.
I also loved the way Jane called Kenny a "ticking time bomb" despite the fact that everyone else went off first, Mike abandoned the group to escape with a man who almost got them all killed and Jane who hide a baby for a pointless reason. I mean if Jane had not of done stupid things like that to anger Kenny then things would have been alot better.
Besides Lee taught Clem everything she knows like how to shoot, how to scavenge and how to survive in general. The only useful thing Jane taught Clem was how to knock a walker down by kicking their leg. But come on you don't have to be a genius to know that i had people at my old school who used to do that for a joke it was called "DEAD LEG"
I know Jane may seem like a cool character to some people (maybe because she is a bit of a Molly rip-off) but she was not really that smart or "bad ass" as people think i mean when Lee went throw that horde of walkers in episode 5 of season 1 that was way cooler than anything Jane has ever done.
Wrong. Jane's sister wanted to die, yet Jane dragged her through the country for around half a year (don't know the exact timeframe anymore) at some point she gave up, because Jane was in a situation where her sister couldn't be saved if she didn't want to be saved herself.
And that is the reason why she is actually drawn to Clem. Clem acts as her surrogate sister.
Would Lee do the same if Clem wanted to die? This is the difference between Lee and Jane.
You are talking about somebody that left her own sister to die, same with Sarah, and who "lost" a baby on purpose just to make a point.
The only reason Lee didn't taught her that is, well, it was during the beginning of the Zombie Apocalypse! And he was a history teacher, not a survival expert or anything, but he still gave more than Jane would ever do for her.
I don't think Jane would cut off her own arm and go rescue Clementine in a walker-infected Savannah, do you?
Depends if you saved Ben or not
Joking aside.
We don't know that, because he was never put in the situation. If you drag someone around for that long and he/she puts people at risk, because they just don't care, act carelessly and they want to die. That takes a toll on you.
You have to ask yourself do you really want to prolong their suffering by dragging them around, if they clearly don't want to? And there is no change in behavior after half a year?
Its a difficult situation because there is no real right or wrong. But both scenarios can be interpreted as selfish.
You constantly save someone just because you couldn't live with leaving them behind, prolonging their suffering.
or
You abandoning someone who needs help just so you can survive more easily.
This isn't a black and white choice.
But Jane did not let her sister die in cold blood. She had her reasons. If you agree with them or not is one thing. But it wasn't because of hate.
Yes.
Lee didn't want to look for Clementine's parents. He taught Clem how to shoot a gun and make sure her hair is short.
I agree with the post but I think it undermines Lee's contributions massively. Lee at first was just trying to get through a bad situation, same as Clem. He didn't teach her much in 3 months because he was figuring out the whole survival thing just as much as her. Jane's had to time to experience the kind of things Lee and his group went through.
Although the fact some people in this thread don't think Jane is a great mentor for Clem baffles me. She's definitely capable.
How did she leave her sister again? Because both of them were stuck and one of them was unable to climb up some cliff or something after being surrounded by walkers? YOU CALL THAT WHAT AGAIN? Stop erroneously interpreting the terms and moving on as if they were correct.
Just saying she'd left Clementine behind if a similar case happened again.
lol Ben is a completely different story.. However, Lee sacrificed himself for Clem, and that's enough for me.
Edit: I get your point, but what I wanted to say is that Jane is a survival type of a person, you'll notice that quickly because of her short hair, how she acts and how she talks to people. In other words, She will always prioritize herself on the others, even if it's her own sister we are talking about. However, as you said we don't really know what exactly happened between them, and how the situation was there.
On the other hand, I highly doubt that Lee would do the same, even if it's a life/death situation, Clementine is not his sister, his daughter or his cousin, she was a complete stranger to him when they first met, he could easily just leave her there and move on. However, he ends up taking care of her and dying trying to save her no matter what. The thing is, if you really care about someone you'll never EVER give up on him.
"Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one."
I know, she basically wanted to die by doing that to Kenny.
Lee was violent and insane, he was a lost man, and he'd probably attack Clementine if she did something wrong ! Jane is better than him obviously.
/Sarcasm
Actually no its not. Ben put people's life at risks (same for Jane's sister) and at the clocktower asked lee to just let him die. Its the same thing just in a shorter timespan.
And we're not talking about Lee. I'm arguing the point you made about Jane letting her sister die in cold blood.
How? Jane almost leaped herself into the frozen glacier and pulled Clementine out, carried her and ran to the house.
Why keep people forgetting that Jane's sister wanted to die?
Must... resisit.... from butthurt...
The thing is her sister was unable to escape and Jane was unable to pull her up either one loss is technically better than two considering one helped another (Jaime surrendered) so the other would escape instead of the two winding up dead.
Lee was better dawg then Sam (the dog).
No.
I didn't mean to sound like I disagree a with you. 1 page ago in this thread I was arguing the point that Jane killed her Sister in cold blood.
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Wrong. Jane's sister wanted to die, yet Jane dragged her through the country for around half a year (don't know the exact timeframe anymore) at some point she gave up, because Jane was in a situation where her sister couldn't be saved if she didn't want to be saved herself. And that is the reason why she is actually drawn to Clem. Clem acts as her surrogate sister.
Depends if you saved Ben or not
I was arguing your "in cold blood" point. Joking aside. We don't know that because he was never put in the situation. If you drag around someone for that long and he/she puts people at risk because they just don't care and act careless because they want to die, takes a toll on you. And you have to ask yourself do you really want to prolong their suffering by dragging them around if they clearly don't want to? And after half a year there is no change in behavior?
Its a difficult situation because there is no real right or wrong. But both scenarios can be interpreted as selfish.
You constantly save someone just because you can't live with leaving them behind, prolonging their suffering.
or
You abandoning someone who needs help who maybe doesn't know better just so you can survive more easily.
This isn't a black and white choice. But Jane did not let her sister die in cold blood. She had her reasons. If you agree with them or not is one thing. But it wasn't because of hate.
The fuck...