why jane will be death for clementine and baby
i am gonna keep this short
jane is a lone wolf survivalist. when they are in worst situations jane might ask clementine to abandon the baby , so who wiil be next ? it will be clementine. hell she even left her sister even though she could have saved her.
ABOUT JANES ENDING :
both the endings are pretty bad. i mean its carvers camp. what if they return ? what if they go through another horde of zombies ?
i cant even trust the family in the end if you refuse they might take revenge if you welcome them, who knows they might be a threat or spy ?
and we know nothing about her.
this is just my opinion
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Jane cares about Clem if she didnt why would she save her from a frozen lake, she dosnt really care about the baby at least not especially
A horde could hit wellington and the people at wellington could be dangerous and there are bound to be more than three of them
Also with Kenny or alone you dont have any shelter at all or any protection from anything
There is no right answer
see u jane supporters started thinking baby as a burden just like jane ... we kenny supporters still believe the baby's life is precious like kenny ... that's the difference between u and us
slowly jane will feel clem as a burden just like she felt the way with Aj ... but whatever kenny did is just for clem and Aj
going with kenny or alone doesnt show anything but someplace so i cant speculate what will happen and we know about kenny how he is short tempered and what not but jane. nothing, only that she doesnt care about anybody and nobody cares about here
I fail to see how any of this guarantees death for Clem and the baby. You're just asking a lot of what-ifs that might never happen.
I support Jane, but I'd save the baby over her any day. You were saying?
There are people on both sides who think the baby is a burden or precious. I went with Jane to protect the baby. I felt he had a better shot of getting what he needed back at Howe's.
That's why I went with Jane. I knew Carver would have stocked up baby formula and baby food for (what he believed to be) his child.
why dont u guys understand ... jane mentioned earlier .. she doesnt like intense endings so she let sarah in vain and didnt help luke .... all she wants is to survive for herself .... if clem would have been in intense situations jane would have left her to die in vain
I know how you feel about the endings, but I don't think that Jane will abandon Clementine. She said she wouldn't and an example of this is when Clem falls through the ice on the frozen lake to save Luke Jane rushes across the ice to save her, knowing well that she could have also fallen through, she was also freaking out about it and was in a hurry to get Clem warm. She reacted far before anyone else.
I understand that, seeing as how Jane has been in the past, but Jane seems to genuinely care about Clementine. I think Clem is the only person Jane would actually go the extra mile at for saving.
But that's what we do in these forum ask alot of what and ifs that never happen.
cause shes the only one near clementine.
I understand perfectly that Jane changed her mind about that or she wouldnt have come back for Clementine and vowed never to abandon her again. You are going off of previous actions and not her character progression.
and why the hell are u judging kenny with present actions and not the previous ones ... the guy's gone through enough lets give him a chance
And dont forget diapers. My sister has a baby and in the best of times they go through a lot of diapers. I kept wondering if they every changed him or just let him pee and poor where they stood, lol. I get its a cartoon baby but still, in reality I couldnt help thinking about that.
Jane has already proved she won't abandon Clem. This seems like a mute topic.
Your thread I respect it but it makes me laugh.
Flog and Salvy should be here any moment now.
not a Jane extremist, but how could she have saved her sister, thrown her?
I understand that, I just have an issue with the OP saying that staying with Jane is a guaranteed disaster for the children when we dont know that. You can say that there is potential for disaster no matter what scenario they're in.
Actually, Bonnie was right next to Clem while the rest watched from afar.
Are you saying I should ignore his behavior just because of what he's gone through in the past? It's been said a million times but everyone has lost people. Kenny is not special in that regard.
I smell a Jane hater
I think the risk of Jane leaving Clem is directly comparable to the risk of Kenny completely losing his mind and taking his agressions out on Clem. Personally, I trusted Jane more. Many trust Kenny. No right answer.
This is all I read thorugh your lines: "BAH! Me sow saad Kenny dead! Me sow saad other people killed Kenny when dey cud save him! Me sow jelly Jane is superior. Me sow angry dat Jane is mentally sane, a true survivor and cares for Clem. Better make a thread and lie about her! BRIE-LEE-ant ideaa.
i mean ... characters do change right just like jane changed from e4 to e5 why wouldnt kenny change from e5 to s3 e1 ... just he needs time to recover
There's a serious overlooking of Jane's character arc here. The way I see it is:
Jane has a positive progression. Her lone wolf attitude was imposed on her after seeing a group fall apart, then having to care for her sister until they were in a situation where she simply could not save her sister - she couldn't make her jump and they couldn't fight. She was forced to abandon her sister. That was fucking horrible for her, which in turn made her unwilling to form bonds, because all she knew was that such bonds simply cause too much hurt later on.
Being stuck with Clem in confinement meant that she would slowly see her as a new version of her sister. Jane sees a chance for redemption and a chance to reconnect with new people - and potentially a new group. She starts to form bonds with people - not just Clementine. This scares the shit out of her, which is why she leaves after the baby is born.
The fact that she returns to help the group marks a clear shift in her character - and it's 90% because of Clem.
Jane still has clear survival instincts. She can't just remove them - her thoughts will still firstly be about survival - but she is slowly re-learning what it means to have bonds and to work together. Clem isn't her sister, but the similarities are what opened Jane back up to bonding. And the fact that if you don't say anything to the three people, she'll invite them in says a lot about where she is as a character.
I believe Jane has returned to her former self - with new knowledge and a lot of wisdom - where she would do everything for her sister/Clem and now she's also able to form new bonds and actually really work in a group.
All this is completely opposite to Kenny who has rather regressed than progressed. Kenny promises that he'll restrain his violent outbursts - the exact opposite happens (often), he's sorry for scaring Clem with his reaction to the Sarita situation, shortly hereafter he's becomes violent again with Arvo, with the truck situation - with everything.
Kenny's character has always been "Do it my way, or fuck you" - now it's becoming "Do it my way, or I'll fuck you up till you do" - the Carver way basically.
You can give all the excuses you want: "Look at the ending if you choose Kenny - he's doing it all for Clem and AJ" - but in reality, no he isn't. He's doing it all for himself. He's doing it to prove to himself that he really isn't the shitty parent and husband/boyfriend that he is, that he carries no blame for Duck, Katjaa or Sarita.
Now if that meant he did what he could to make Clem and AJ be and feel safe, then it'd probably be okay. But he's violent and he has outbursts that make Clem feel the exact opposite, that result in the group falling apart and leads to Jane having to create a situation in order to convince Clem (who in my playthrough was already entirely convinced of this, and was just waiting for a chance to get the fuck away from Kenny) that Kenny is too unstable and unpredictable to rely on.
Kenny won't recover after attempting murder, beating up and abusing a teenager (Arvo is still a piece of s***) and going completely insane and taking his anger out on anything. I have respect for people's opinion on Kenny but what he went through will never be recovered which is why Jane compared him to Carver.
As much as I maybe dont want to keep the baby I still think I owe it to Alvin, Rebecca and Kenny to look out for and to keep it safe and I think i've made a good choice by staying in Wellington where there is a better chance of survival out in the cold with lack of resources, and there may have been Baby formula at Carver's Camp there wasn't as much food as we thought was gonna be left. And it looks like Wellington maybe be safe afterfall
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Still, Jane could have easily walked away, and Bonnie was there, like @Revec said.
Still, Jane could have easily walked away, and Bonnie was there, like @Revec said.
Idk where this whole "Jane doesn't care about Clem/ the baby" comes from. If anything her experience with her sister will make her care more.
Whenever I hear that I just imagine Jane going like "NO, you're gonna live!!" and picking her sister up and throwing her in slow motion.