The game wanted me to Kill....
Kenny. For me I felt everyone was trying to tell me that Kenny had to go. After that Lee dream/flashback and him telling her you have to do things for the right of the group even if it means hurting someone else was preparing me to kill Kenny. Kenny was losing it and sooner or later Kenny was going to die by his hands or someone else's. I felt that he was a good dog that got rabies and needs to be put down before he infects everyone. I didn't want to kill Kenny, but Jane knows how to survive and she cares for clem. Clem even changed her. She turned a lone wolf into someone that will do whatever it took to protect her. Did anyone else feel this way? That the game was setting you up to Kill Kenny.
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Telltale made jane look like a victim during the choice although she was the one who stabbed Kenny first.
Seems like they wanted you too because after I looked away and saw the option to shoot Kenny still I was like "screw you telltale I'm not gonna kill my bro
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Jane is manipulative as a motherfucker and will do anything to prove herself right and get in Clem's head. But she can survive I'll give her that. I still let Kenny kill her because I've known Kenny for what, 9 other episodes so far? We've seen him go crazy when Duck was bit and was going to beat the shit out of Lee. This was just another phase, and Kenny thought he was going crazy because that's all anyone ever told him. "Is Kenny OK?". " He's gone insane!". But he seems mentally stable to me during his endings :P
She put away the knife and Kenny went after her so it was self defense.
Also, Sarah is a victim of Telltale setting up Jane so that you believe what she says.
Oh my god.You're in denial.We probably both are.This was self defense too.
lmao! First fight Kenny ever won though so kudos to him.
Gotta give credit to Kenny. He definitely improved in fighting since season 1.
He did!I still remember this scene from my game..
No....
For me was a smart choice. If you chose Kenny you are faithful and if you chose Jane you are "right", cause you disallow a man to kill a woman.
I chose Jane and I'm glad I did.
Fuck this scene!! :C
That's straight up murder!
Not really. It may seem like they tricked you but all arguments for and against killing Kenny don't change during and after the fight.
And if you were smart, you noticed it and didn't do it.
Then you can get a good ending!
So the choice was based on the sex?
Kenny's increasingly volatile nature was a central feature of the final episode. Plenty of the characters hinted or flat out told Clem that things were coming to a head with Kenny and she'd likley have a difficult choice to make. It might just be the toughest choice of the series so far; would you turn on a long-time friend to prevent them comitting a horrible act in a moment of madness? Or become complicit in the act yourself out of loyalty to them? Either way you end up with blood on your hands and plenty of cause for regret. And that's the point.
"It's not like math, Clem. Sometimes there just isn't a right answer."
~Lee
haha absolutely no! xD
I said only that i don't stay to watch a person that kill another person, that's all...
And then, I like Jane more
Well it's your choice to succumb to the intent of killing an old friend over a new one.
Yeah, it's some real Apocalypse Now shit. Kenny is like Martin Sheen at the end of the movie, a half crazy killer.
That's just Telltale trying to influence things to get a more even split between player choice. Don't take it too seriously. My suggestion is, decide which of the two you like best and rewind to go with them.
This!
Im frankly surprised that Kenny lived at all in some playthroughs. I was really expecting him to die before the season was over.
Did she not sheath the knife and take her hand off in your playthrough?
If it was Lee, who I actually liked, it would have been a much harder choice.
To be honest I feel like people are just copying what Youtubers are doing for some, bizarre reason.
Legally Tolispro's right (at least in American law). I'd have to go back and watch the fight, but even though Kenny started getting physical, Jane was the one to initiate deadly force. Although wait, didn't he start choking her? In which case that's probably him starting deadly force, and so her using a knife is legally justified.
"This was just another phase"
Yeah, a murderous one... I agree with you, but still...
I chose Jane because I liked her better. Kenny was losing it and even in season one I thought Lee was going to kill him. He just went nuts and was unsafe. If I didn't kill him someone else would have.
She wasn't choking though, she's perfectly capable of yelling "get off"
Except, once they're outside, Jane has already made her point, Kenny is crazy, at that point, she had totally proven. Yet, if you get between them, and tell Jane to run away, she refuses, throws Clem to the ground, and attacks Kenny with the knife.
Yeah, totally self defense.
Kenny does the exact same thing if you try to hold him.
She tries to put away her knife to stop the fight, and warns Kenny. He then slams her into the window.
This probably triggers Jane's fight or flight instinct which she had held onto before, shown by her being willing to stop.
Both Jane and Kenny are dicks in this situation. Don't try to pretend that only Jane is in the wrong by posting gifs like that.
Something is up with Jane, she has some sort of plan, this is clear right near the beginning.
Kenny attacks first, Jane takes her knife out, then puts it away, Kenny attacks again. So yes, he started the fight. Yet, if you pull Kenny off of her, she starts punching him in the face. Not quite self-defense, but let's say she got carried away. Eventually, she cuts Kenny with the knife. The fight moves outside.
At this point, Jane has done what she set out to, or said she said out to, at least. There is no reason to continue the fight. And yet.... this happens:
Jane clearly goes after Kenny with the knife, after Clem gave her the opportunity to run. Personally, I think that if Jane has just told Kenny that AJ was alive, then she could have talked him down. But she also could have run and gotten AJ, to show him. Instead, she throws Clem out of the way, and tries to kill Kenny, even though afterwards, she insists she just wanted to show Clem what he was capable of, and then talk her into leaving him behind.
On top of this, their individual reactions to what happened.
Jane doesn't appear to feel very sorry that Kenny died, or feel any regret. "I had to do it, Clem!" Sure, I can see how she might have felt she needed to show Clem, but she continued the fight after they were outside.
Kenny does say that she was insane, and that she could have stopped it at anytime, but he also seems to show more regret to what happened than Jane does. "Clem, I didn't want that to happen!"
Ultimately... Well, I won't say Kenny was right, but Jane was more wrong. Also, the Kenny ending is far superior to any of the others.
I'm not, I'm saying she's more wrong. And a liar. I do not believe that she just wanted to show what Kenny was capable of, she wanted to kill him.
to me i really didn't see kenny as being a liability at all, i feel like people were just saying he was, without tell tale actually showing it, i mean sure he was sad and angry after sarita died, but that is understandable, sure he beat the sh*t out of carver, understandable, the only time he really went too far was beating up arvo, but he never put the (rest of the) group in danger, it just seemed like everybody in the group just didn't like being told what to do and were acting like children about it.
Because getting pissy over not having everyone agree with him, saying the equivalent of "my way or the highway" ("I fixed the truck, I decide!"), and storming into the truck screaming is being an adult about it? The others voiced concern over Kenny's plan which relied entirely on hope and nothing tangible, as usual, putting forth their own ideas. Kenny got pissy, which naturally led to the others getting pissy because it was clear that Kenny flat-out refused to hear anybody else's point of view, ironically the exact thing he bitched about in season 1 with Lilly. "This isn't your own personal dictatorship!" Yeah, dictatorships are only cool when he gets to reign supreme, apparently.
but it was the others that were against him first, the plan all along was heading to wellington and then all of a sudden after he fixes the car they change their mind.
plus there was the constant arguing with luke which luke instigated, it just felt like a forced kenny/lilly = kenny/luke thing.
people weren't offering up their own good ideas they were just disagreeing with kenny (acting like children, that didn't like being told what to do), which is different from the season one kenny/lilly thing where lilly was in charge, and wanted to stay at the motel whereas kenny wanted to fix the RV and move on.
there has to be someone in charge making decisions, because else nothing will get done, but there is a difference between disagreeing with a leaders ideas and offering up other solutions in a adult and reasonable way and just disagreeing and arguing about something in a childish manner.
i not saying kenny is the king of reasonable discussions, but you don't deal with things by just arguing. obviously the reason it was set up that way is so clementine would be the only person who could talk to kenny, but it just made everybody else seem petulant and childish.
Actually, that was never the plan. Kenny made reference to it, but the only idea they had after getting out of Howe's was to make it to that museum. Then Kenny saw some town in the distance and forgot all about it in episode 5. It was only when the truck started up that Kenny started talking about Wellington finally, and everyone had their own different ideas that involved getting out of the cold.
As for the arguing, Kenny instigated just as much if not more than Luke. Hell, he was being a complete prick in episode 2 towards Luke and Nick, who he had just met, for no reason at all. I agree, though, that the Luke/Kenny dynamic was really forced in. It could have worked, but it felt manipulated right from the start.
Except they were offering their own ideas which were just as valid, the basis of which was getting out of the cold which could potentially kill them all. Wellington turned out to be true, but it was far away and further north into the cold, and since Wellington wasn't well known to everybody and was practically treated like some legend, they had every reason to disagree with going further north. The story just validates Kenny's view since Wellington does exist, although as it turns out, they were over capacity, and the adults probably wouldn't have gotten in anyway, making the journey a waste of time for almost everybody.
excuses excuses excuses
should also mention if you tell jane to back off instead of getting between them she says its time to put this crusty fuck out of his misery or something like that so people saying jane didn't want to kill kenny thats bullshit