No one dies except Arvo, the Russians and Carvers group (excluding Bonnie). That way the group is more stable, only issue is that we can't go to Wellington. So I guess the group set themselves up back in the cabin down by the stream.
I would've really liked for Sarah to stay alive. I think it would be cool for Clem to have a friend who was a peer, and I also think alot could've been done with trying to pull her back from the brink i.e. if we could've (or chose not to) help her cope and find the will to live again. Plus, then no issue with everyone being so nonchalant about her demise.
They were? It was everyone vs. him since he was reintrodued mate.
But everyone else did something evil (often a bit random) and that… more left Kenny justified in everything. and then got another, hero sacrifice at the end, why not actually make Kenny lose it rather than re tread old ground?
In every ending Clem bawls her eyes out regarldess of player feelings which she never does for any other character this season (I was way more upset over Luke, Sarah and Nick) , even if you shoot him its meant to be shown he forgives you and that you were tricked by Jane.... Seriously Kenny just acts out of character after the fight I mean he can choose to let clem walk off into the blizzard with the baby alone thats just plain out of character.
It would have been more of a engaging story if they'd changed it that Kenny did go off the rails at the end, but instead they made Jane hide a kid and made Kenny justified in murder more or less, same with Arvo really he shoots clementine to justify everything Kenny did to him all episode, even though hed shown no passion for violence whatsoever so far.
Even kenny's endings are over the top and happy and not really fitting of the world with Clem crying if she decides to not leave Kenny (like really WHY is she crying then Kenny isnt Lee) but oh well Kenny had to be a blazing hero again despite honestly having a perfect arc in the first season. Im just glad he's determinant so its finally over and we can have some different characters
Disclaimer: Sorry for the essay, but I have a lot to say on this subject... clearly. :P
Actually, they did, in episode 5. The only one that didn't was Luke, and he was killed off uselessly. Mike and Bonnie are against Kenny's idea, so they wind up allying with Arvo and stealing supplies to leave Clementine, Jane, Kenny, and presumably the baby behind, so their ideas can't be taken into account any longer and are thus dropped from the game. That leaves Jane, who I really don't have to explain. The final choice is designed to make you realize that Jane instigated the whole thing and is pretty much to blame for it, even if Kenny was on a murderous rampage.
In any case, Kenny is clearly made to be sympathized with, hence his big heroic ending only coming about if you allow him to be the one to win the struggle by murdering Jane. And hell, if you shoot him, you get a sad scene with Kenny apologizing for his misdeeds, followed up by Jane's reveal with an idiotic apology that holds little water.
Keep in mind that the other characters being against Kenny in previous episodes does not in any way mean the writing wasn't biased in his favor. Let's talk about episodes three and four for a while, too. Kenny has no history with Carver, no reason to really make his story so central to Carver's downfall (unlike say, Carlos and Alvin, or at least we can only assume as much, given that they were given little to no development because they were too busy focusing on Kenny), and has really nothing at all to do with the Carver storyline until episode 3, and yet gets the honor of killing him, after suffering an injury that he got because he heroically stepped up and protected Clementine, and everyone starts acting as if Luke is being unreasonable when he suggests leaving Kenny if they absolutely insist on leaving that night, even though he makes the point to stay until a better time. This drama is only there to artificially create more of a rift between Kenny and Luke, which ultimately comes to absolutely nothing.
Then Kenny's grief is a big moment in the next episode, kind of like Sarah's, but unlike hers is treated as something Kenny can get past. Sarah is treated like a hopeless case, but Kenny gets up to help with the baby, and is made to be the only person who can possibly know anything about delivering a baby, which wouldn't be so egregious (if a bit of a stretch, nonetheless) if Clementine hadn't gone through whatever she did with Christa. That would've been a great time for Clementine to get some development and learn more about Christa... but nope, they gave it all to Kenny, who is shown to be compassionate and loving towards AJ, thus being the reason he can pull himself out of his darkness. Oh, but Sarah? Yeah, she's dead now, and who cares, right? /sigh
The writers were biased in favor of Kenny. /shrug That's just how it goes. Is it necessarily Kenny's fault that a lot of this stuff fell flat for a lot of people? Not really. The changing plans of the writers, unfulfilled character arcs, and the inconsistent characterization for characters besides Kenny also have a lot to do with the failure of season 2 for a lot of us. I mean, shit, Kenny may actually be the only consistent long-lasting character in the whole damn season aside from Clementine. Luke is close, but even he seemed to go off the tracks for a bit in episode 4.
The point is ep 3 is the best example as you say Kenny had next to no beef with Carver. I can practically see Carlos grabbing the radio of clem. I mean in ep 2 Carlos is spitting in Carvers face and in ep 3 is meekly hitting his own child. Restrain Sarah seems more logical especially since she charges off in ep 2 in a simaler way to get to her dad outside. Same with Pete and Nick I can see Nick recklessly trying to save sarah in the horde because thats in his character and then having the arm choice with Nick instead and having Petes reaction to that.
I honestly believe Kenny wasnt even meant to be in this season until fan pressure brought him back or at the least not such a big role, I mean a playing dead I saw they actually said they were surprised so many people shot Kenny when everyone loves him.... They actually thought everyone loved this diverse characte who left the majority of players to die twice in season 1 and needed convincing to find Clementine, I'm sure many people did like him but many didn't. That same playing dead the one thing they mentioned fans often spamming was when Kenny was coming back.
And to be fair I cant even blame them after all that remains there were hate threads for Kenny not coming back to the point people were claiming to be trolled because they thought Nick was Kenny in the trailer.
Disclaimer: Sorry for the essay, but I have a lot to say on this subject... clearly. :P
Actually, they did, in episode 5. The only one th… moreat didn't was Luke, and he was killed off uselessly. Mike and Bonnie are against Kenny's idea, so they wind up allying with Arvo and stealing supplies to leave Clementine, Jane, Kenny, and presumably the baby behind, so their ideas can't be taken into account any longer and are thus dropped from the game. That leaves Jane, who I really don't have to explain. The final choice is designed to make you realize that Jane instigated the whole thing and is pretty much to blame for it, even if Kenny was on a murderous rampage.
In any case, Kenny is clearly made to be sympathized with, hence his big heroic ending only coming about if you allow him to be the one to win the struggle by murdering Jane. And hell, if you shoot him, you get a sad scene with Kenny apologizing for his misdeeds, followed up by Jane's re… [view original content]
I've always wanted Carlos to be the one to get justice against Carver. He could even die the same way he did in episode 3 since brutally murdering Carver would effectively end his role as the father who shielded his daughter from so much, and thus pave the way for Sarah's development (obviously, he wouldn't let her watch the beating, but I imagine she'd know exactly what he was doing).
Ah, I remember the hate threads about Nick appearing similar to Kenny. Kind of funny how Nick then became one of the big favorites of the season. Maybe all his development in episode 2 was an answer to all the stuff going on here? :P
Well, we heard pretty early on that Kenny's "fate would be explored", so I definitely think he was coming back, but he probably wouldn't have been made so central originally. Part of the problem may have been fan demand, but probably also the ambitious working on multiple projects and just a lack of one consistent idea for the whole season.
This all reminds me of the RedLetterMedia reviews on the Star Wars prequels, where one of the noted primary mistakes made with those movies is that the character of Darth Vader was made so central to the entire story because of his popularity outside of the movies themselves, when it would have been better to make him "a smaller part of a larger story", just like Darth Vader was originally. I feel the same way about Kenny. It would have suited the story better if his importance hadn't been so overblown, instead of becoming so central that the season's "main villain" was just a vehicle for him to go down a darker path (again) so that we would eventually have to either choose him or someone else, the big final choice of the season.
The point is ep 3 is the best example as you say Kenny had next to no beef with Carver. I can practically see Carlos grabbing the radio of c… morelem. I mean in ep 2 Carlos is spitting in Carvers face and in ep 3 is meekly hitting his own child. Restrain Sarah seems more logical especially since she charges off in ep 2 in a simaler way to get to her dad outside. Same with Pete and Nick I can see Nick recklessly trying to save sarah in the horde because thats in his character and then having the arm choice with Nick instead and having Petes reaction to that.
I honestly believe Kenny wasnt even meant to be in this season until fan pressure brought him back or at the least not such a big role, I mean a playing dead I saw they actually said they were surprised so many people shot Kenny when everyone loves him.... They actually thought everyone loved this diverse characte who left the majority of players to die twice in season 1 and needed convincing… [view original content]
Jane kills Arvo when she returns. Causes the conflict, gives the group an antagonist because now Mike, Luke and Bonnie will be seeing her as the primary threat (Kenny will be on her side at first but he'll come around.)and the plot of Chapter 5 is Jane trying to pull you away from the group.
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If not change Lee's Death, I'd just make Lee not get bit.
hurr durr #lee4life
^ THIS.
No one dies except Arvo, the Russians and Carvers group (excluding Bonnie). That way the group is more stable, only issue is that we can't go to Wellington. So I guess the group set themselves up back in the cabin down by the stream.
Kenny or Luke
I would change the fact that Doug wore socks with sandals during all this
Luke's death :_;
Never has your username had no truer meaning and fit more perfectly than now ;_; simply Luke's death.
The history from season 2 episode 2 to episode 5
I don't hate his nose I was just kidding :P
I would stop Kenny from being determinate.
Haha, I never realised that:p
I would've really liked for Sarah to stay alive. I think it would be cool for Clem to have a friend who was a peer, and I also think alot could've been done with trying to pull her back from the brink i.e. if we could've (or chose not to) help her cope and find the will to live again. Plus, then no issue with everyone being so nonchalant about her demise.
But they didn't. Besides, the heroic sacrifice is optional.
Uh... What I would change? No, not Lee living. I just don't want him bit in the first place. Does that count?
The more I watch this the more I laugh. It's so true.
In every ending Clem bawls her eyes out regarldess of player feelings which she never does for any other character this season (I was way more upset over Luke, Sarah and Nick) , even if you shoot him its meant to be shown he forgives you and that you were tricked by Jane.... Seriously Kenny just acts out of character after the fight I mean he can choose to let clem walk off into the blizzard with the baby alone thats just plain out of character.
It would have been more of a engaging story if they'd changed it that Kenny did go off the rails at the end, but instead they made Jane hide a kid and made Kenny justified in murder more or less, same with Arvo really he shoots clementine to justify everything Kenny did to him all episode, even though hed shown no passion for violence whatsoever so far.
Even kenny's endings are over the top and happy and not really fitting of the world with Clem crying if she decides to not leave Kenny (like really WHY is she crying then Kenny isnt Lee) but oh well Kenny had to be a blazing hero again despite honestly having a perfect arc in the first season. Im just glad he's determinant so its finally over and we can have some different characters
Disclaimer: Sorry for the essay, but I have a lot to say on this subject... clearly. :P
Actually, they did, in episode 5. The only one that didn't was Luke, and he was killed off uselessly. Mike and Bonnie are against Kenny's idea, so they wind up allying with Arvo and stealing supplies to leave Clementine, Jane, Kenny, and presumably the baby behind, so their ideas can't be taken into account any longer and are thus dropped from the game. That leaves Jane, who I really don't have to explain. The final choice is designed to make you realize that Jane instigated the whole thing and is pretty much to blame for it, even if Kenny was on a murderous rampage.
In any case, Kenny is clearly made to be sympathized with, hence his big heroic ending only coming about if you allow him to be the one to win the struggle by murdering Jane. And hell, if you shoot him, you get a sad scene with Kenny apologizing for his misdeeds, followed up by Jane's reveal with an idiotic apology that holds little water.
Keep in mind that the other characters being against Kenny in previous episodes does not in any way mean the writing wasn't biased in his favor. Let's talk about episodes three and four for a while, too. Kenny has no history with Carver, no reason to really make his story so central to Carver's downfall (unlike say, Carlos and Alvin, or at least we can only assume as much, given that they were given little to no development because they were too busy focusing on Kenny), and has really nothing at all to do with the Carver storyline until episode 3, and yet gets the honor of killing him, after suffering an injury that he got because he heroically stepped up and protected Clementine, and everyone starts acting as if Luke is being unreasonable when he suggests leaving Kenny if they absolutely insist on leaving that night, even though he makes the point to stay until a better time. This drama is only there to artificially create more of a rift between Kenny and Luke, which ultimately comes to absolutely nothing.
Then Kenny's grief is a big moment in the next episode, kind of like Sarah's, but unlike hers is treated as something Kenny can get past. Sarah is treated like a hopeless case, but Kenny gets up to help with the baby, and is made to be the only person who can possibly know anything about delivering a baby, which wouldn't be so egregious (if a bit of a stretch, nonetheless) if Clementine hadn't gone through whatever she did with Christa. That would've been a great time for Clementine to get some development and learn more about Christa... but nope, they gave it all to Kenny, who is shown to be compassionate and loving towards AJ, thus being the reason he can pull himself out of his darkness. Oh, but Sarah? Yeah, she's dead now, and who cares, right? /sigh
The writers were biased in favor of Kenny. /shrug That's just how it goes. Is it necessarily Kenny's fault that a lot of this stuff fell flat for a lot of people? Not really. The changing plans of the writers, unfulfilled character arcs, and the inconsistent characterization for characters besides Kenny also have a lot to do with the failure of season 2 for a lot of us. I mean, shit, Kenny may actually be the only consistent long-lasting character in the whole damn season aside from Clementine. Luke is close, but even he seemed to go off the tracks for a bit in episode 4.
The point is ep 3 is the best example as you say Kenny had next to no beef with Carver. I can practically see Carlos grabbing the radio of clem. I mean in ep 2 Carlos is spitting in Carvers face and in ep 3 is meekly hitting his own child. Restrain Sarah seems more logical especially since she charges off in ep 2 in a simaler way to get to her dad outside. Same with Pete and Nick I can see Nick recklessly trying to save sarah in the horde because thats in his character and then having the arm choice with Nick instead and having Petes reaction to that.
I honestly believe Kenny wasnt even meant to be in this season until fan pressure brought him back or at the least not such a big role, I mean a playing dead I saw they actually said they were surprised so many people shot Kenny when everyone loves him.... They actually thought everyone loved this diverse characte who left the majority of players to die twice in season 1 and needed convincing to find Clementine, I'm sure many people did like him but many didn't. That same playing dead the one thing they mentioned fans often spamming was when Kenny was coming back.
And to be fair I cant even blame them after all that remains there were hate threads for Kenny not coming back to the point people were claiming to be trolled because they thought Nick was Kenny in the trailer.
I've always wanted Carlos to be the one to get justice against Carver. He could even die the same way he did in episode 3 since brutally murdering Carver would effectively end his role as the father who shielded his daughter from so much, and thus pave the way for Sarah's development (obviously, he wouldn't let her watch the beating, but I imagine she'd know exactly what he was doing).
Ah, I remember the hate threads about Nick appearing similar to Kenny. Kind of funny how Nick then became one of the big favorites of the season. Maybe all his development in episode 2 was an answer to all the stuff going on here? :P
Well, we heard pretty early on that Kenny's "fate would be explored", so I definitely think he was coming back, but he probably wouldn't have been made so central originally. Part of the problem may have been fan demand, but probably also the ambitious working on multiple projects and just a lack of one consistent idea for the whole season.
This all reminds me of the RedLetterMedia reviews on the Star Wars prequels, where one of the noted primary mistakes made with those movies is that the character of Darth Vader was made so central to the entire story because of his popularity outside of the movies themselves, when it would have been better to make him "a smaller part of a larger story", just like Darth Vader was originally. I feel the same way about Kenny. It would have suited the story better if his importance hadn't been so overblown, instead of becoming so central that the season's "main villain" was just a vehicle for him to go down a darker path (again) so that we would eventually have to either choose him or someone else, the big final choice of the season.
Jane kills Arvo when she returns. Causes the conflict, gives the group an antagonist because now Mike, Luke and Bonnie will be seeing her as the primary threat (Kenny will be on her side at first but he'll come around.)and the plot of Chapter 5 is Jane trying to pull you away from the group.
More Kenny hugs.
This is amazing lol