Kenny is the one who left them no choice but to steal the car. Taking all the supplies was shit thing to do, but they had to ensure their own survival, so i understand that.
Everybody was losing their shit, didn't you see what Bonnie, Mike and Arvo did? That's far worse. Kenny has been through a lot of shit too, probably more than anyone else, any normal person would have off themselves by then.
Why are you changing the subject?
Kenny is the one who left them no choice but to steal the car. Taking all the supplies was shit thing to do, but they had to ensure their own survival, so i understand that.
An antagonist is a character, group of characters, or institution that represents the opposition against which the protagonist or protagonists must contend. In other words, an antagonist is a person or a group of people who oppose the main character(s).
So, yes, is a fact that Kenny is not a antagonist.
Actually, no. You thinking he's not an antagonist is not "it is what it is".
It's your opinion on whether he is good or bad, therefore it… more isn't what it is.
Kenny isn't an antagonist no matter how much you hate him.
If you are saying that as if it's a fact, then that is invalid. It's your opinion.
No matter how much Kenny wanted it, my Clem wasnt one of his people. (writers did poor job with this)
I've seen them, but i would never pick them myself. I would never try to search for Wellington, or stay with Kenny, so those endings are out of question.
He was just trying to protect what he has left, and at that point many people would be like that too, like "fuck the world, I only care for my people". Rick is a bit like that too. You just have to check Kenny's endings to see it.
No matter how much Kenny wanted it, my Clem wasnt one of his people. (writers did poor job with this)
I've seen them, but i would never p… moreick them myself. I would never try to search for Wellington, or stay with Kenny, so those endings are out of question.
Kenny not being a bad person is your opinion whether you like It or not. If he was made to be a antagonist, or if he wasn't made to be a antagonist, he can be either one based on your point of view. And your point of view is your opinion and you're trying to say that your opinion is right and ours is wrong which is not right.
I did, Kenny is not a bad person. Hating someone doesn't make him bad. Of course he isn't a saint, nobody is, but I don't see the point to call him antagonist.
I know what it means. So, if I hated Clem (for example), then that makes her an antagonist? I think it's pretty clear who the obvious antagonists of the game are.
Kenny not being a bad person is your opinion whether you like It or not. If he was made to be a antagonist, or if he wasn't made to be a an… moretagonist, he can be either one based on your point of view. And your point of view is your opinion and you're trying to say that your opinion is right and ours is wrong which is not right.
Learn what the word opinion means.
The antagonists may also represent a major threat or obstacle to the main character by their very existence, without necessarily deliberately targeting him or her.
An antagonist is a character, group of characters, or institution that represents the opposition against which the protagonist or protagonis… morets must contend. In other words, an antagonist is a person or a group of people who oppose the main character(s).
So, yes, is a fact that Kenny is not a antagonist.
You hating clementine and thinking she is a antagonist is your opinion. I wouldn't agree with it, but I wouldn't call you wrong or she can't be one.
You have your reasons as to why she would be one, just like some people have their reasons as to why Kenny could a a antoganist, even if he wasn't made to be one.
I know what it means. So, if I hated Clem (for example), then that makes her an antagonist? I think it's pretty clear who the obvious antagonists of the game are.
So, Kenny lived peacefully in the lodge, then Clem arrived with the cabin group and because of that he loses Sarita, Walter, Matthew and his eye (which voluntarily gave to save Clem) and still Clem has to show indifference or even hate for him? Also, he helped Rebecca to give birth in the apocalypse. I think they owe him. He may be stubborn and violent, but they got him in that mess in the first place.
It was an example, of course I don't hate her. I'm just saying that Kenny is not an antagonist, at least for the majority of people. Check the wiki, he isn't in the "antagonists" lists to begin with. Antagonists
You hating clementine and thinking she is a antagonist is your opinion. I wouldn't agree with it, but I wouldn't call you wrong or she can'… moret be one.
You have your reasons as to why she would be one, just like some people have their reasons as to why Kenny could a a antoganist, even if he wasn't made to be one.
And how does Kenny represent a threat or obstacle by its very existence? Kenny may have given reasons to Bonnie and Mike to break up the group, but if they were better people they could not have done it. That´s hardly Kenny´s fault.
The antagonists may also represent a major threat or obstacle to the main character by their very existence, without necessarily deliberately targeting him or her.
Nothing else to say.
So, Kenny lived peacefully in the lodge, then Clem arrived with the cabin group and because of that he loses Sarita, Walter, Matthew and his… more eye (which voluntarily gave to save Clem) and still Clem has to show indifference or even hate for him? Also, he helped Rebecca to give birth in the apocalypse. I think they owe him. He may be stubborn and violent, but they got him in that mess in the first place.
Walter
He caused Walter to die, but yes, ultimately it was cabin groups fault for coming to that place.
his eye
He cau… moresed the situation to happen (by forcing Clementine to take the walkie talkie, no matter what Clem says), so its not an heroic act.
Also, he helped Rebecca to give birth in the apocalypse.
Cant see how this matters.
He put Clementine in danger more than once and was going to take the only car just so he could go north and search for hope (and by the sounds of it, he was going to force Clementine to come with him).
And how does Kenny represent a threat or obstacle by its very existence? Kenny may have given reasons to Bonnie and Mike to break up the group, but if they were better people they could not have done it. That´s hardly Kenny´s fault.
Well from my point of view, he caused more harm than good by getting that baby out. After that there was a whole new set of problems. You should check my opinion about babies in za before we continue this conversation.
dafuq? I assumed you mean that he (determinantly) puts the radio on Clem´s pockets, even she suggest that either Kenny or Mike should do it. First of all, Kenny had good reasons. Trusting Clem more that Mike, and that Clem was the best option for sneaking around. Troy as just barged into the room, and there was no time to discuss anything. Kenny took a chance, and put the walkie in Clem´s pockets quickly, so that Troy could not take notice.
Besides, all of this is meaningless, since Clem never disagrees to take the walkie. She accepts the danger.
and was going to take the only car just so he could go north and search for hope
There was literaly nearly 100% chance that Wellington was real. Lots of characters know about Wellington, despite being in the ZA and that, you know, you just don´t make up a community for no reason. And considering Kenny and Clem seem just fine on Kenny´s endings, it was not that dangerous.
(and by the sounds of it, he was going to force Clementine to come with him).
I doubt it. If Clementine did not want to look for Wellington, he could not force her. He would not even bring himself to leave her. So, if she refused, Kenny could have ended up doing whatever Clem wanted to do.
He put Clementine in danger more than once and was going to take the only car just so he could go north and search for hope (and by the sounds of it, he was going to force Clementine to come with him).
Besides, all of this is meaningless, since Clem never disagrees to take the walkie. She accepts the danger.
She never says no, because Kenny just puts it on her jacket/pocket while Troy is watching.
. First of all, Kenny had good reasons. Trusting Clem more that Mike, and that Clem was the best option for sneaking around.
Yeah sure, he trusts Clem but he also put her life in danger.
There was literaly nearly 100% chance that Wellington was real. Lots of characters know about Wellington, despite being in the ZA and that, you know, you just don´t make up a community for no reason. And considering Kenny and Clem seem just fine on Kenny´s endings, it was not that dangerous.
I suppose all the gods humans have created are also real, just because so many people talk about them?
I doubt it. If Clementine did not want to look for Wellington, he could not force her. He would not even bring himself to leave her. So, if she refused, Kenny could have ended up doing whatever Clem wanted to do.
So did you miss the dialogue where Kenny says "Tomorrow, you'll see how wrong you are" after Clementine says that Wellington doesnt exist?
He put Clementine in danger more than once
dafuq? I assumed you mean that he (determinantly) puts the radio on Clem´s pockets, even … moreshe suggest that either Kenny or Mike should do it. First of all, Kenny had good reasons. Trusting Clem more that Mike, and that Clem was the best option for sneaking around. Troy as just barged into the room, and there was no time to discuss anything. Kenny took a chance, and put the walkie in Clem´s pockets quickly, so that Troy could not take notice.
Besides, all of this is meaningless, since Clem never disagrees to take the walkie. She accepts the danger.
and was going to take the only car just so he could go north and search for hope
There was literaly nearly 100% chance that Wellington was real. Lots of characters know about Wellington, despite being in the ZA and that, you know, you just don´t make up a community for no reason. And considering Kenny and Clem seem just fine on Ken… [view original content]
She never says no, because Kenny just puts it on her jacket/pocket while Troy is watching.
Before that, she could have said no. She could have said 'Hell no, Kenny', but she did not.
Yeah sure, he trusts Clem but he also put her life in danger.
She accepts the danger. Besides, I personally don´t believe Clem was ever in any danger, considering the respect Carver shows for her, but that´s irrelevant here.
I suppose all the gods humans have created are also real, just because so many people talk about them?
You are changing the subject again, zykelator. Stop doing that. The situations are very different. And you did not even adress what I was saying, but its not like that was a surprirse.
So did you miss the dialogue where Kenny says "Tomorrow, you'll see how wrong you are" after Clementine says that Wellington doesnt exist?
When/how does that happen? In the car with Kenny or in the argument with the group?
Besides, all of this is meaningless, since Clem never disagrees to take the walkie. She accepts the danger.
She never says no, becau… morese Kenny just puts it on her jacket/pocket while Troy is watching.
. First of all, Kenny had good reasons. Trusting Clem more that Mike, and that Clem was the best option for sneaking around.
Yeah sure, he trusts Clem but he also put her life in danger.
There was literaly nearly 100% chance that Wellington was real. Lots of characters know about Wellington, despite being in the ZA and that, you know, you just don´t make up a community for no reason. And considering Kenny and Clem seem just fine on Kenny´s endings, it was not that dangerous.
I suppose all the gods humans have created are also real, just because so many people talk about them?
I doubt it. If Clementine did not want to look for Wellington, he could not force her. He would not even bring himself to leave her.… [view original content]
You are changing the subject again, zykelator. Stop doing that. The situations are very different. And you did not even adress what I was saying, but its not like that was a surprirse.
Just talking about believing in stuff there is no solid evidence of.
When/how does that happen? In the car with Kenny or in the argument with the group?
In the car if you say there nothing out there. Clementine says that Wellington is just a story.
She never says no, because Kenny just puts it on her jacket/pocket while Troy is watching.
Before that, she could have said no. She … morecould have said 'Hell no, Kenny', but she did not.
Yeah sure, he trusts Clem but he also put her life in danger.
She accepts the danger. Besides, I personally don´t believe Clem was ever in any danger, considering the respect Carver shows for her, but that´s irrelevant here.
I suppose all the gods humans have created are also real, just because so many people talk about them?
You are changing the subject again, zykelator. Stop doing that. The situations are very different. And you did not even adress what I was saying, but its not like that was a surprirse.
So did you miss the dialogue where Kenny says "Tomorrow, you'll see how wrong you are" after Clementine says that Wellington doesnt exist?
When/how does that happen? In the car with Kenny or in the argument with the group?
Just talking about believing in stuff there is no solid evidence of.
First of all, Wellington is a world wide history in the ZA. Second, many characters know about Wellington. Three, you just don´t make out a commonuty for no reason.
In the car if you say there nothing out there. Clementine says that Wellington is just a story.
Can´t play the game rigth now, and I can´t find any vid in which the player choses that option, so I am just going to assume you are telling the truth and got the wording rigth.
One statement made impulsively, out of anger, doesn´t mean anything. He could not force her, he never did. And he could not bring himself to leave her, so he could just have done what Clem wanted him to.
You are changing the subject again, zykelator. Stop doing that. The situations are very different. And you did not even adress what I was sa… moreying, but its not like that was a surprirse.
Just talking about believing in stuff there is no solid evidence of.
When/how does that happen? In the car with Kenny or in the argument with the group?
In the car if you say there nothing out there. Clementine says that Wellington is just a story.
you just don´t make out a commonuty for no reason.
People make up all kinds of shit and spread it around as a fact.
Can´t play the game rigth now, and I can´t find any vid in which the player choses that option, so I am just going to assume you are telling the truth and got the wording rigth.
Just talking about believing in stuff there is no solid evidence of.
First of all, Wellington is a world wide history in the ZA. Sec… moreond, many characters know about Wellington. Three, you just don´t make out a commonuty for no reason.
In the car if you say there nothing out there. Clementine says that Wellington is just a story.
Can´t play the game rigth now, and I can´t find any vid in which the player choses that option, so I am just going to assume you are telling the truth and got the wording rigth.
One statement made impulsively, out of anger, doesn´t mean anything. He could not force her, he never did. And he could not bring himself to leave her, so he could just have done what Clem wanted him to.
People make up all kinds of shit and spread it around as a fact.
Does it make sense that so many people got the same history, in the ZA, withouth different details, if Wellington was really just a story?
Spoiler Alert: Nope.
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One statement made impulsively, out of anger, doesn´t mean anything. He could not force her, he never did. And he could not bring himself to leave her, so he could just have done what Clem wanted him to.
you just don´t make out a commonuty for no reason.
People make up all kinds of shit and spread it around as a fact.
Can´t play… more the game rigth now, and I can´t find any vid in which the player choses that option, so I am just going to assume you are telling the truth and got the wording rigth.
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Does it make sense that so many people got the same history, in the ZA, withouth different details, if Wellington was really just a story?
You should learn something about how rumors form.
One statement made impulsively, out of anger, doesn´t mean anything. He could not force her, he never did. And he could not bring himself to leave her, so he could just have done what Clem wanted him to.
Out of sadness and disappointment, not anger.
Who he cares more about? AJ or Clementine? If he cares more about AJ, he would just leave Clem, if she doesnt want to search for Wellington. And as far as i've seen it, Kenny cares more about him than her.
People make up all kinds of shit and spread it around as a fact.
Does it make sense that so many people got the same history, in the… more ZA, withouth different details, if Wellington was really just a story?
Spoiler Alert: Nope.
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One statement made impulsively, out of anger, doesn´t mean anything. He could not force her, he never did. And he could not bring himself to leave her, so he could just have done what Clem wanted him to.
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Why are you changing the subject?
Kenny is the one who left them no choice but to steal the car. Taking all the supplies was shit thing to do, but they had to ensure their own survival, so i understand that.
I'm not changing it, I mean everybody contributed to tear the group apart. To me, Bonnie and Mike are traitors. I think that's far worse.
So, yes, is a fact that Kenny is not a antagonist.
No matter how much Kenny wanted it, my Clem wasnt one of his people. (writers did poor job with this)
I've seen them, but i would never pick them myself. I would never try to search for Wellington, or stay with Kenny, so those endings are out of question.
What you mean "one of his people"?
But still its all situational, if it means just now randomly, no I dont want to kill them for whatever they've done
from my pov, Kenny left them no other rational choice.
Kenny not being a bad person is your opinion whether you like It or not. If he was made to be a antagonist, or if he wasn't made to be a antagonist, he can be either one based on your point of view. And your point of view is your opinion and you're trying to say that your opinion is right and ours is wrong which is not right.
Learn what the word opinion means.
I know what it means. So, if I hated Clem (for example), then that makes her an antagonist? I think it's pretty clear who the obvious antagonists of the game are.
Nothing else to say.
It was in your own message.
You hating clementine and thinking she is a antagonist is your opinion. I wouldn't agree with it, but I wouldn't call you wrong or she can't be one.
You have your reasons as to why she would be one, just like some people have their reasons as to why Kenny could a a antoganist, even if he wasn't made to be one.
So, Kenny lived peacefully in the lodge, then Clem arrived with the cabin group and because of that he loses Sarita, Walter, Matthew and his eye (which voluntarily gave to save Clem) and still Clem has to show indifference or even hate for him? Also, he helped Rebecca to give birth in the apocalypse. I think they owe him. He may be stubborn and violent, but they got him in that mess in the first place.
It was an example, of course I don't hate her. I'm just saying that Kenny is not an antagonist, at least for the majority of people. Check the wiki, he isn't in the "antagonists" lists to begin with. Antagonists
And how does Kenny represent a threat or obstacle by its very existence? Kenny may have given reasons to Bonnie and Mike to break up the group, but if they were better people they could not have done it. That´s hardly Kenny´s fault.
He caused Walter to die, but yes, ultimately it was cabin groups fault for coming to that place.
He caused the situation to happen (by forcing Clementine to take the walkie talkie, no matter what Clem says), so its not an heroic act.
Cant see how this matters.
It matters, would an antagonist help a protagonist to give birth? I highly doubt it. He maybe caused the walkie talkie thing but he took his blame.
Or they could have , ya know , left without taking ALL the food?
He put Clementine in danger more than once and was going to take the only car just so he could go north and search for hope (and by the sounds of it, he was going to force Clementine to come with him).
I think Arvo deserves to GET KILLED because he shot Clementine
Well from my point of view, he caused more harm than good by getting that baby out. After that there was a whole new set of problems. You should check my opinion about babies in za before we continue this conversation.
Because there was an 11 year old girl and a baby... And they took ALL the food. All of it! I guess they're a bunch of sociopaths.
Why? If you care more about your own groups survival than someone elses, why should you be nice to them?
dafuq? I assumed you mean that he (determinantly) puts the radio on Clem´s pockets, even she suggest that either Kenny or Mike should do it. First of all, Kenny had good reasons. Trusting Clem more that Mike, and that Clem was the best option for sneaking around. Troy as just barged into the room, and there was no time to discuss anything. Kenny took a chance, and put the walkie in Clem´s pockets quickly, so that Troy could not take notice.
Besides, all of this is meaningless, since Clem never disagrees to take the walkie. She accepts the danger.
There was literaly nearly 100% chance that Wellington was real. Lots of characters know about Wellington, despite being in the ZA and that, you know, you just don´t make up a community for no reason. And considering Kenny and Clem seem just fine on Kenny´s endings, it was not that dangerous.
I doubt it. If Clementine did not want to look for Wellington, he could not force her. He would not even bring himself to leave her. So, if she refused, Kenny could have ended up doing whatever Clem wanted to do.
Arvo... no the Stranger... no Carver, damn!
Larry and Nate in my opinion aren't even bad guys, they'd be on my side!
She never says no, because Kenny just puts it on her jacket/pocket while Troy is watching.
Yeah sure, he trusts Clem but he also put her life in danger.
I suppose all the gods humans have created are also real, just because so many people talk about them?
So did you miss the dialogue where Kenny says "Tomorrow, you'll see how wrong you are" after Clementine says that Wellington doesnt exist?
zykelator.. we know what you are doing on our chat
The stranger. He's part of the reason Lee's dead
Before that, she could have said no. She could have said 'Hell no, Kenny', but she did not.
She accepts the danger. Besides, I personally don´t believe Clem was ever in any danger, considering the respect Carver shows for her, but that´s irrelevant here.
You are changing the subject again, zykelator. Stop doing that. The situations are very different. And you did not even adress what I was saying, but its not like that was a surprirse.
When/how does that happen? In the car with Kenny or in the argument with the group?
Just talking about believing in stuff there is no solid evidence of.
In the car if you say there nothing out there. Clementine says that Wellington is just a story.
why people want to kill avro ? Jane was extremely mean with him for no reasons ! his reaction was understandable
First of all, Wellington is a world wide history in the ZA. Second, many characters know about Wellington. Three, you just don´t make out a commonuty for no reason.
Can´t play the game rigth now, and I can´t find any vid in which the player choses that option, so I am just going to assume you are telling the truth and got the wording rigth.
One statement made impulsively, out of anger, doesn´t mean anything. He could not force her, he never did. And he could not bring himself to leave her, so he could just have done what Clem wanted him to.
puhahahahahahahahahahahaha oh wait you are serious? let me laugh even harder HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
People make up all kinds of shit and spread it around as a fact.
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Does it make sense that so many people got the same history, in the ZA, withouth different details, if Wellington was really just a story?
Spoiler Alert: Nope.
One statement made impulsively, out of anger, doesn´t mean anything. He could not force her, he never did. And he could not bring himself to leave her, so he could just have done what Clem wanted him to.
You forgot Michelle. She held a 9 year old at gunpoint and shot Omid. Don't forget that.
None of the above.
I want Michelle. >:I
Fucking bitch killed omid
You should learn something about how rumors form.
Out of sadness and disappointment, not anger.
Who he cares more about? AJ or Clementine? If he cares more about AJ, he would just leave Clem, if she doesnt want to search for Wellington. And as far as i've seen it, Kenny cares more about him than her.