Have LGBT characters in S3
Telltale has already shown many racially diverse, well written characters. I think it would be interesting to explore a LGBT character. I know there was they gay couple in Ep2, but we didn't see much of them. Perhaps a lesbian couple, or a transexual person? Having a gender identity crisis or summat would be pretty interesting to see in the ZA. (Tounge in cheek)
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I wouldn´t mind.
Tumblr won´t be happy no matter how they treat them though.
Who cares what people are? I dont know why every game,film,show has to have at least on gay,black or whatever character to appear PC. They had a two gay guys this season and it was handled normally as it should be. Use characters that have interesting personalities etc their race or sexuality dosnt matter one bit.
Also if Sarah is an example tumblr etc will just go crazy when this minority character is killed or mistreated regardless of other characters also being mistreated.,
I actually kind of agree regarding just having interesting personalities. Just thought it'd be interesting seeing how different lifestyle s survive in the ZA.
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"a lot of Kenny's anger comes from suppressing his sexuality"
Eh, I'd rather they explore other facets of humanity that have more relevance to zombie apocalypse survival than sexual/gender identity. Offhand, casual references like Walter and Matthew are fine. But, frankly, someone having a "gender identity crisis" while everyone else is having a "being torn limb from limb by flesh-eating abominations crisis" is just going to come off as whiny and out of place.
Sexual minorities, like other minorities, are just that... minorities. Meaning a small percentage of the population. Homosexuals are something like 5% percent of the population, and statistically we'd have to have met more 40 people for that to fit (not that statistics mean much with a small population, there's always change, but my point is it's a long shot). Plus transsexuals are an extreme minority, likely less than 0.1%.
Though I will say, there is a question of representation - though minorities are minorities, they do exist and to simply say they're a minority and therefore aren't likely to show up isn't right either. Thus there's a tension between realism and inclusiveness, or even just a matter of how to represent people. In any case, I'd say Telltale has done an excellent job, and if anything more than its fair share.
You mean more than 20 people for it to fit I assume, as 5 x 20 is 100.
But, regardless, most games, films and literature with more than 20 characters don't have gay characters. It's an unfortunate quirk of our white hetero male society that we are currently ironing out.
But to say gay people are massively underrepresented in the gaming industry is an entirely fair thing to say.
Thing is, female under-representation (and misrepresentation) is a much bigger problem, as they account for 51% of the population and yet currently constitute 17% of film characters, for example.
You are correct in your point about gay representation: representation IS much more important than theoretical (and non factually supported) 'realism' where no-one you meet is gay. This is due to the fact that under-representation can make people feel shit about themselves, like they're some mutant in today's society,and realism doesn't cause extreme happiness to balance that out.
But first I think it'd be great that we sort out female representation, which practically ALL games suffer from (recent notable exceptions include Gone Home and by the looks of it Dragon Age Inquisition).
Yes, including this game. There are TWICE as many male characters as female characters and more male zombies than female zombies. That alone shows that the people making the game are, unfortunately, biased. But it's getting better. Well, for most companies, Telltale seem to be kind of stuck at the moment in their social progression.
Sorry, I'm rambling.
eh there may be less but they have a good variety of female characters, if they were all damsels screaming for help I'd agree but there complex morally diverse characters and done well just like the men.
And again the male majority here is that men are just naturally stronger (average wise) and able to fight walkers off easier, a large male walker could be fought off by a man but not a woman or child.
First point: yes, that is why Telltale don't suffer from MISrepresenting women. They do suffer from UNDERrepresenting them, however, as I go on to say:
Second point: If telltale specifically wanted to have more male characters than female characters for realism's sake, they would have made there be more female zombies than male zombies. And there aren't.
I wouldn't mind an LGBT character...if it weren't for how Walter and Matthew were introduced and fridged in the same episode from A House Divided and were never mentioned again, not to mention how badly portrayed characters with illnesses or disabilities have been.
I'd rather they don't show up again for fear of being portrayed as one-dimensional, stereotypical, or being used just to die without a purpose in the story other than shock value.
Why does sexuality matter? if I wanted to get LGBT shoved down my throat I'd go on Tumblr.
Telltale are generally good at avoiding stereotypes. They just, as you point out, kill characters they've made just to be killed which is annoying.
I personally don't think it's a coincidence that the two new possible group members in 202 are both gay and both die in completely unrelated circumstances. It's as if they wanted to include a gay couple, but were scared they'd get flack for it so killed them off immediately.
Thing is, if they ever ONCE mentioned that they were in a relationship internet dudebro BVHs would go 'Omg they're shoving it down our throats
' even though they didn't seem to think Kenny saying 'sarita's my girl' was shoving his heterosexuality down their throats.
To sum up, people suck.
Jane is a lesbian according to TWD wiki. She gave up on men after the Luke incident. Good thing she now has Clem on her side im my playthrough.
Why would having LGBT characters automatically mean they were shoving their sexualities 'down you throat'?
Did you think Rebecca and Alvin shoved their heterosexuality down your throat? Why not?
Thus, if you had two men acting in EXACTLY the same way as they do, calling each other sweetie etc., why would you view THAT as shoving homosexuality down your throat?
You sound like one of those dudebro BHVs I mention above who think if someone acts differently to you they should do it in private, because you're more important.
well there was walter and matt but they didn't even get time on screen together
Oh, I meant the other way around, Walter and Matthew = 2 gays, and 2 is 5% of 40.
True, I should probably watch that Sarkessian's videos - I watched some of her old stuff, some I agreed with, some I though was making a mountain out of a molehill and some was jumping to conclusions. But yes, there needs to be done more for female characters. Just wondering, where did you get those stats? I mean it varies from genre to genre, but what's also important is how they are represented. IE: what percept of those 17% are strippers in mafia movies or things like that. Even within the 17% the question is how it is distributed; less one run into the whore-saint dichotomy.
...Are you serious? According to the TWD wiki, which anyone (anyone!!!) can edit?
No, you can't be serious. It's just a shoddy attempt at trolling, I'm sure of it.
People have more things to worry about in a ZA.
Nothing's real when feels.
To think how differently the story would have acted out had Matthew and Walter, as well as Sarita, survived. Such a waste of potential.
Ah, but the odds of running into two gay people together isn't as simply as 2x the odds of one on their own, as gay people are more likely than straight people to have other gay friends pre-apocalypse.
Birds of a feather and all that.
I got the stats from a Bioware Dev posting on the forums, I couldn't find it against if I tired as it's one of thousands of posts he's made
You don't 'give up on men' and become a lesbian. You don't just say 'Oh I'm going to be a lesbian from now on'.
How about, we stop basing people on race, orientation, etc. And just have another cast of well-written complex characters with diverse and great character-arcs and simply not pay attention to their race, gender, orientation, etc?
And yet, the most important part of the game is the relationships between characters, is it not?
Damn, I just thought it'd be interesting to see. My friend is transgender and she says she'd love to see someone like her in video games. As a straight white male, I'd just like to see something different. And this game has seemed quite good about diverse characters.
But that is the relationship between friends. What the OP is talking about is issues about sexuality and transgender. Why would someone have a breakdown from Dysphoria years into the apocalypse.
Any wellwritten character is fine with me. I think it would be hard to realistically portray somebody having a breakdown over their gender identity in the middle of a ZA though, surely the constant stress over suvival and the trauma of losing friends and family would overshadow everything else?
omfg yes please i want a tranny girl that's fab or maybe a gay guy that's typical. I support this thread.
What the fuck, man?!?!?
Is it? Is it just about relationships between friends?
Last I checked, Sarita and Kenny's relationship was relatively prominent. Jane and Luke had sex and there's a big plot point made of it. Christa and Omid was fairly centrally put as a couple.
There are hints in 400 days that Leland likes Bonnie. There are hints in season 2 that Bonnie likes Luke.
Clearly the game isn't just about friendships. As the game is also about any kind of relationships, you shouldn't be surprised if there are gay people, as, y'know, gay people have relationships.
Having a stereotypical gay person would do more harm than good.
We need a normal gay person. Like, y'know, the majority of actual gay people.
Walter and Matthew were good.
No. What you want is a gay story line. This can't happen without making Clementine less part of the story, and without pushing forward political ideologies. The community is split enough over Jane, and Kenny. Imagine opening that can of worms. I play the game for fun, not for politics. If I want that I turn on the news.
You just insulted every stereotypical gay person. A "normal" gay person? Wow way to insult those gay men out there that are a little more sensitive, and different from what you perceive to be normal.
This is the fucking reason I don't want it in the game. It's not even in there and see how people are arguing?
Probably a salty Kenny fan pissed off at him becoming determinant, and figuring being called gay is an insult.
We are turning this into a feminism thing?
Why?
I did read but why say this, these are some of the best female characters ever, I know you are saying thats not the problem but there are tons of women in TWD. To be truthful, you brought up male vs female ZOMBIE ratios which is dumb, survivor ratios I will listen to and respect but bring MVF zombie ratios wasnt helpful. I dont think feminism needs to be brought into TWD since TWD isnt biased towards males. I dont want to be rude and if any of this was im sorry but can I honestly ask why you feel this way?
I don't see why it fucking matters. Usually, when LGBT characters are thrown into films/games, they're incredibly fucking stereotypical, and even if they're not, SOMEONE will be upset with representation. Hinting is fine, like with Walter. Sure, have a gay couple, but don't have every single line be "Oh 'cha, we're gay Clem, did you figure that out yet? Hurr". Besides, I don't see how it fuckin' matters in the apocalypse, if they start having a breakdown over fear of separation in the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE WHERE EVERYONE IS FUCKED, then their priorities are fucked.
The fact that assholes are uncomfortable with it doesn't make it wrong to keep doing it.
People argued about having black characters in games. That doesn't mean that there shouldn't be black characters in games, does it?
People argued that women shouldn't have the vote. That doesn't mean that women shouldn't have the vote, does it?
LOL ... No comment.