Would you kill AJ if...
...you knew he was going to grow up to be like Carver? No matter how adorable, how sweet and innocent he seems now, what if he became a monster some day? I know some of you are thinking more about survival and already want to leave him to double Clems chances but alot of people grew attached to AJ and want to protect him with their lives. There's always that chance he grows up into a cruel human being...
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Do you want to talk about our lord and savior, the great chicken?
Who teaches him to become Carver? Clem,Kenny,and Jane would never do that!
No.
I'd proceed to teach the impressionable kid better.
No.
My Clem will ground him for a year if he steps outta line.
Someone he meets in Wellington, Carver's old camp, or wherever he's raised. Someone else he's around could bedome a bad influence.
Lol
AJ becoming someone like Carver? Not while my Clementine watches over him.
I'm gonna teach him to not be like that at all. My Clem isn't gonna start eating babies because they could grow up to be assholes.
I would leave him before he has a chance to grow up.
Well it's no secret how you feel about babies lol
Carver isn't a monster. He is a person like everyone else. Sure he hurt some people, but who hasn't at this point. Only a handful of "innocent" people left and we all know what happens to the beautiful people in the ZA.
They die, horribly.
He is not. He is a person who has done bad things. Just like Kenny, Clementine, Jane, Arvo, Lee whoever.
As much as I hated Carver, I didn't consider him a monster. Everyone reacts differently in a ZA, and imo he was an extremist, not a monster.
He reminded me of my dad. The abuse I received was just like coming home for Christmas.
That's F*cking Stupid Ben
From my POV he was an abusive disgusting monster that had to be killed immediatly.
How is he any different from Kenny, Lee, Clementine, Arvo, pretty much anyone in the ZA at this point.
People do bad things, doesn't make him a bad guy.
Did you just compare Kenny, Lee and Clementine to Carver?
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I have no words for this shit.
Yeah they both lose their temper and resort to violence.
Doesn't mean i don't like Kenny. I like his character, however he is a violent man.
Lee has done bad things trying to survive, he didn't try to save the girl in the street. He just went along with what Kenny said, to either shoot her or let her get eaten to death.
Clementine ran away getting Lee Killed. She has been indirectly responsible for how many character's death now.
All i can think of right now.
... Jesus, Mary and Joseph. The things you have to hear.
First of all, you are not just comparing Kenny with Carver, you are comparing Lee and Clementine with Carver.
Leaving aside that comparing Kenny to Carver is ridiculous:
What about when Carver threatens to torture Clementine?
What about when Carver pushes Reggie off the roof because two kids didn´t pick out the fucking berries?
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She was bit.
Chuck´s death was Ben´s fault, for one. But well, I am not even going to argue with this, because I am just going to ask one thing: How does Clem indirecly causing something bad comparable to Carver very deliberatibily killin Reegie?
Hes comparing.... hes not saying there identical. Lee can drop ben to his death, Clem can abandon Sarah (I know determinant), Kenny beats up Arvo, uses him as a hostage and attempts to kill him the moment he has a chance after the gunfight. There are similarities, very few people are any good anymore
Even though I admit Carver is worse its highly through POV (I mean we never saw what Carver was like before he went that bad)
He lost his temper, people lose their cools all the time in the ZA. Ask Kenny.
That´s the point. Carver is just a complete moster. Comparing anybody with Carver is stupid, in my opinion.
We don´t even know if he went bad.
For all we know, he was always like that. Or, at least, mostly.
jane would...
om my freaking god, yes clem can become him in an ending, and yes kenny is insane, but lee? LEE?! im so dissapointed...
Actually they infer that he changed in episode 3. They say something like, you don't get it "Kenny, he is different. He changed." I think it was on the way to Howes.
Carver: Believe it or not, I liked Reggie. He was a funny guy, always ligthened the mood. Its easy to let depression set him in hard times. But he was weak. And I am not saying that just because he was maimed. That was not his problem. No, he was weak-willed.
That kind of implies that it was deliberate.
Did he really changed, or the Cabin Group just realized how Carver really was?
Did he really change, or Bonnie just realized how Carver really was?
wrong. yes clem caused omids death but ben caused his own death, chuck was playing hero, kenny/jane in a way killed each other. and go to
http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/84138/did-omid-cause-lees-death/p1
to find out that OMID caused lee's death
What does that matter? When it happened they didn't understand how it worked. Lee says in the flashback, that they don't know how it really works, it could be like catching a cold. That statement was made after killing the girl. He left a girl to die because he didn't want to argue with Kenny.
Ben was a child. Chuck died because he went to save Clementine from being bit in Savannah, he got overwhelmed and lost in the Sewer. Ben couldn't be responsible for her, he couldn't be responsible for himself, how do you expect him to look after a girl.
In the end does it matter how it happened. Ben is still dead because he died trying to save Clementine. Reggie is dead because he got pushed off a roof. The results are the same. They are both dead, gone forever. There is no changing that.
yes yes i do, tell me of his greatness and glory.
How did Ben cause his own death? He died searching for Clementine.
Or you could say he was trying to justify his actions later after raging on Reggie.
Raging on Reggie, that sounds kinda cool
Seriously? First of all, we can´t even be sure it was a flashback. Second, even if it was, that just Lee being desesperate and gentle with Clementine. If you tell him 'is not like a cold' he even admits how far fetched that is.
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Clementine is also a child.
Surprise!
Actually, he got bit on the streets.
Yes. You know, when comparing people that kind of thing matters.
I assume you mean Chuck, and not Ben.
Because daying for trying to save a child and being pushed off a roof by a madman is comparable.
Sure, whatever.
You are being ridiculous here. Try to stay on topic, please. The topic is if you can compare Carver to Kenny, Lee and Clementine. Actions, and the intend of those actions separate Kenny, Lee and Clementine for Carver, who was just a madman obsessed with power.
So, no, you can´t compare them.
Clementine is also a child.
Surprise!
So what are you trying to say? I don't get it. Both characters in S1 were children. Clementine didn't just become this ultimate survivor she was trained by the mighty Christa. In S1 She was manipulated into betraying the group because she is a child.
No i meant Ben. He falls to his death trying to find Clementine.
He did, must of missed this one.
Not really, the results are still the same. People are still dead, and for what.
That if you don´t blame Ben for leaving Clementine to die because Ben his a child, you can´t blame Clementine, who is also a child, for indirectly causing something bad.
And? That you are comparing the (lack) of skills of Ben, a tennager, with a child who was not even ten years old until the end of the season is just ridicolous.
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He can also fall to his death in Around Every Corner, before Clemetine goes missing. And Ben´s death in No Time Left is not fault but his own.
Check the wikia.
http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Around_Every_Corner
It says:
During the scene when Lee and the group leave Chuck and escape the streets, if one listens closely, Chuck can be heard screaming in pain, implying he was bitten before escaping to the sewers.
So what? This is about intentions.
Considering that we know that his philosophy his like that before he kills Reggie, that Carver was justifying his actions is ridiculous.
I would not kill AJ if I knew he would become a monster like Carver. People should be held accountable for something they have done or attempted to do not something he or she might someday do. If you start killing people because of what they might do you'll turn out to be just as bad as Carver if not worse.
The time it takes for Alvin Jr. to grow up and have a personality like Carvers, the zombie apocalypse would probably be over or people managed to have adapted and live a proper lifestyle. Killing "weaker" people years later when the world got it's shit together would just end up being straight up murder and then you get Rick arresting your ass.