Carver Had The Right Mindset, Kinda
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Although Carver was an extremist in terms of a mindset, he was mostly on the right road. Carver will say that he wishes that he didn't have to kill people however he also recognizes that he can't be soft and keep people who put them at risk as it endangers everyone else, yeah he was being extreme when he decided that Reggie not being able to teach someone how to pick berries as being worthy of death, however Carver is mentally strong in the sense that he understands that he can't let compassion get in the way of his decision making as it puts others at risk. Although he did technically use slave labor and such, he did offer them protection and he also showed that he is willing to accept them into the main camp and let them be like the others.
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I didn't dislike his plan, but his execution of it was the bad part.
Guess that depends on what you think is the right mindset. Reminds me of a fanfic I read awhile back. The leader had the same "be of use or else" mindset while not killing everyone. The writer brilliantly used this survivalistic leadership mindset with the antagonistic character.
Domewing333- https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9702661/1/WINDFALL
That is true. He wasn't sensitive and he was mentally strong. He wanted a perfect community for everybody to be safe, and I understand his rage towards the cabin group because they left him and they were probably a big help in making the community happen. That was just like all his workers leaving him to do all the work. If he were to be soft on them, no work would get done and a lot of characters would get by without doing any work. He has to be more harder on them (Maybe not Reggie hard) but hard enough so that they get the point.
Ayn Rand? From St. Petersburg? It's me, MoA! What have you been up to, girl? Oh, stepping on people to better yourself. Same old Ayn!
Also, it should be worth noting that Carver held a supply of cigarettes (as shown by the Tavia scene), alcohol (such as the bottle used at the campfire, at which Luke can mention Carver didn't want people drinking) and presumably other goods that he deemed unfit for use of his people.
One could argue that, if Carver really was a slave driver who didn't want his people to have the good stuff, he'd just get rid of it - remove the temptation from the minds of other people who know about it and free up space. Maybe he thought eventually that Howe's would turn to the point of becoming self sufficient or at the very least tolerable in using those supplies, easing up the strict outlook of the community. Do keep in mind he was planning generations ahead as shown by his monologue with Clementine.
The problem with any analyis of Carver is that we get suggestions that he was once different and we don't get to see that Carver. If he was indeed different, then the Carver who built that community is not the Carver we saw.
But the Carver we saw was self-destructive. Even without the forced labour, killing people, abusing people and torturing them would lead to fear, anger and hate. Paranoia. Especially when it can come on a whim - that stuff would soon have people conspiring against him. Sooner or later, someone would have taken him out. So no, I don't think he had the right mindset. He was going to bring himself down eventually. It just so happened that the way it worked out took the community down with him.
But that same man once built what seemed to be a pretty strong community.
Howe's community respected him, Cabin Group didn't want to kill him.
That would have changed if the behaviour we saw continued. He was too dangerous and if he could throw someone to their death on a whim then nobody was safe. Fear would soon lead to conspiracy or just someone just getting so nervous they'd snap.
If you say so, I guess shit happens to everyone.
If the Episodes was long like S1, we could maybe see the old carver
Carver was a belligerent, lying, unstable sociopath. He needed to be taken out for the safety of his group and replaced with a more stable, humane leader who doesn't murder people for not picking enough berries.
You mean his early days in, when he was this famous model from "Most Powerful 'Stache of Apocalipse" magazine?
Damn, even Kenny was jealous of that.
Carver- what a nutcase.
First of all, how the hell did he assemble such power in a situation of complete anarchy? The Walkers are the real power in the situation- not Carver
Secondly, he hates weakness, yet he keeps a terrified, psycially useless kid around (Sarah) and another rather pysically useless kid that barely lasted 10 minutes on her own (Clementine) and would be pretty easily overpowered by any grown adult. It just sums up how much of a fruit loop the guy actually is.
Thirdly, what was with his nonsensical ramblings to Clementine about her being just like him, or having the potential to be like him? I mean it just makes no sense whatsoever.
Fourthly - how was he not taken out sooner? The guy was making people fear for their lives!. I guess it was only a matter of time before a human got fed up with his shit and gave him the brutal ending he deserved. Like I said - what a nutcase this man was.
You underestimate how powerful psychopaths can become in a desperate situation. Charisma and demagoguery are terrifying tools that can bring people anything. For examples, just look to history. People will side with evil or worse if they think it'll improve their odds.
One thing I've thought about before is this timeline. Person "Jack" has a family. The apocalypse happens and he drops everything and all worldly possessions to find and protect them. In two months time, he's learned to survive with nothing in a small group. Person "Adam" has money, and he sees the apocalypse as a chance to grab power. He immediately buys all of the weapons he can from people who hold on to the idea that the crisis is temporary, the government will solve everything and money will once again be important. In three months time, Adam has weapons and can take any territory he wants. People flock to his side, regardless of how much they trust him. In two months time, Adam is an Emperor.
I heard on the forum that Carver was an engineer. And he probably made his stronghold himself. Who wouldn't come to a person like that and try to get on their good side, then be helpless to leave?
"And it's hard to keep being yourself after they do."
Interesting points. Perhaps season 3, or any future WD games can concentrate on how a character gets into Carvers position. A more fleshed out version of Carver so to speak.
Was Carver willing to let Reggie back in?
Dialogue between Tavia and Hank suggests that Carver was likely waiting for Reggie to screw up to have a more justifiable reason for killing him.
HAhahahahaaaha, nice
So I'm not the only one that likes Carver...?