Why follow Arvo?
While the group had already began to deteriorate after escaping from Howes, I firmly believe that they ended up falling apart because they chose to deviate from their original path to follow Arvo. After playing through for the third time, I still cannot understand why they would believe him right after the fight. They (rightfully) treated him with suspicion before, so what changed? Because he's crying? Because he lost his sister? That was the result of a confrontation that he started. Whether he was being directed or not, he chose to participate. The group was headed for the town that Clementine spotted with the telescope, they endured the freezing cold and eventually one even died from exhaustion and blood loss during the journey, so why did they suddenly believe the word of an enemy at gunpoint, begging for his life? That logic is pretty much like believing the word of a person on death row. And throughout the journey, the group keeps criticizing Kenny for his treatment for the kid, who looks like 16-17'ish. He had a handicap but he was no child. Neither is Clem, who if anyone still remembers, treated her FAR WORSE when she stumbled onto their property injured and hungry. This is where the group gets divided, people start dying, and eventually they reach their destination and loot two cans.
The decision to follow a complete stranger who was previously associated with a group of thugs who, and this deserves a special mention, treat you as thieves even if you chose to let Arvo keep his bag and walk away, to believe his word in a situation where he would do anything to save his own life, and to walk into complete unknown in hazardous conditions was extremely reckless to me. I couldn't believe how easily the group was convinced by the POW, it was almost as if they did it to spite Kenny. It's almost as if TTG had written the story to have the group, or at least Mike, side and ally with Arvo at that moment and it became them vs Kenny, and eventually to most of their demise.
That was a turning point in the story and I fully believe that if they ignored him and went to the town instead, they would all live a little longer. It made no sense to me because the town should have been much closer and they should at least rest there, because Arvo's house isn't going anywhere.
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I think its supposed to symbolize life, how we have no control over the outcome , and every decision we make guided by the hand of FATE!
"Fate" as in TellTale's lust for our tears.
Telltale needed Mike, Bonnie and Arvo out of the way for the ice cream/pizza decision and the easiest way to do that would be to portray them as villains who would abandon a little girl and a baby with no supplies when we know that Bonnie and Mike wouldn't abandon Clementine. The sequence where Mike, Bonnie and Arvo are preparing to leave is kind of OOC for all of them. Mike and Bonnie obviously cared for Clementine, and Arvo never wanted anyone to get hurt from even back before the shootout which is kind of odd that he shoots her even if you give up your gun.
Arvo was there just for a Kenny punching bag. To show us that Kenny was very violent for no reason at all.
My thinking is that Telltale wanted us to see the trio as villains by making Arvo shoot Clem and them leaving, therefore justifying Kenny's abuse of Arvo and his stubborn pursuit of a pipe dream.
As for the town, they completely forget about it for the sake of the plot. That's a writing hiccup there as they changed back to Nick Breckon for Ep. 5. I guess the town wasn't something Breckon intended to be part of the story in his original vision. (He wrote Ep. 1 and 2). This goes back to the way that Ep. 3 and 4 were written, which I felt were not up to par with Breckon's episodes.
It's a good question and one of many towards the end that I think the answer is: to funnel us into that black or white end choice. The town was a big point and it's funny because I forgot about it for most of ep5 until whole thing broke apart and we were just with Kenny, Jane and Clem and it didn't feel right and then I thought, hang on, what happened that town?! I had been expecting to be back in an urban setting at this point and yet I was in the middle of nowhere doing nothing but witness Clem's new mum and dad fight.
One of quite a few "why is nobody talking about the..." moments in season 2.
But yeah, why follow Arvo? Well the assumption I think was that his place was much closer. He met Clem and Jane back at the gift store place and his leg clearly wasn't great so I had taken it that his base camp must be very close. And from some of the dialogue on the journey, so did Kenny. Which is a whole other question - why have Arvo walk so far?
So I think they thought they could get supplies there and it would be very close by. A safer bet perhaps then going looking for the town and having no idea what to find but it is odd it didn't warrant more conversation. For example, the mythical Wellington could have been in the town. Or maybe could have been the town itself - did we know what town it was? It seems it should have been given more consideration.
The other thing that baffled me at the time is that nobody seemed to worry about more of Arvo's group being back at his home base. I'm not sure anyone even asked him if there was anyone back there. There could have been 30 guys with guns there.
i just thought of something funny, maybe Telltale is owned by a secret society of Emotional Vampires who feed on our tears to survive. Laura Eisenhower believes.
Laura Eisenhower Believes
They are all vampires!
She probably would think Telltale has been infiltrated by reptilians, A alien race that can change its form to look human.
Telltale: We created a nice gosh darn dream sequence for you so you better walk over to that half built house and you better accept being shot by a crippled Russian teenager just to reunite with Lee. We put our soul into it and your gonna love, damn it!
Shapeshifting reptilian vampires.
Blood loss? Medical attention? Don't worry about that. Think of Lee.
Illusion of Seperation
We live in the artificial matrix.
I love how Clem is folding her arms and Nick's just standing there with an angry face. It's like they're disappointed.
With Pete dying as early as he did, why wouldn't they be disappointed? I'm still not completely over his death.
Same here, he was my favorite character only behind Clem, Lee and Kenny, Damn Just Damn...
Duh thats why I can phase through walls.
bye!
I didn't read but here's my reply to the title of this thread;
btw ill read tomorrow, im gonna sleep now kthxbai.
lol! i love these comics.
Me too, actually.
I always save the water for him. Victor can get fucked.
I made the mistake of giving the water to Victor. When Pete asked "Anything in that?" I screamed internally.
Yeah I didn't give Victor the water, I wanted him to talk first I'm glad I was able to save it for Uncle Pete.
Yeah, but they didnt care enough about her to do something as stupid as going to north or or not trying to take the car for themselves.
The second I found I could give that water to Pete, it was like watching that nice old man die a second time. I felt like total shit. Victor can fuck right off, that water belongs to a hero.
As for your first paragraph-
It wasn't exactly like following the word of a man on death row. It was like following a man who felt his life depended on appeasing the people he was giving his word to. After all, this is proven by the fact he did lead them to the cabin. My guess why they went there instead of the town is this. 1) I believe they said the town was on the other side of a river? (Don't quote that, but I think that's what I remember) 2) He said it was close 3) There would most definitely be foot, warmth, shelter, etc. because the Russian group had been surviving there. Something the town didn't promise. The cabin group did not treat Clem worse than Kenny treated Arvo. While they did endanger her life by not giving her aid, Kenny went out of his way to physically harm Arvo. Besides, the cabin group acted in terror (I do have upsets with the treatment, so this isn't particularly justification for what they were doing) but Kenny acted in pure anger. One was a self defensive reason and one is a, for lack of better words, fuck you reason.
Yeah, I think it was across a river. I believe Jane said that the nearest river crossing was half a mile away, just before Arvo limped on to the scene.
Because the plot demands it?
No Because
Yes, Uncle Pete.
(Aka, Telltale Staff to Us sometimes...)
why follow him?
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Kenny was right to treat Arvo they way he did. Kenny was right throughout season 1 and season 2.
I think the group needed food urgently.
They wouldn't have been in that situation if Jane hadn't attempted to rob and threatened to kill a boy who hadn't done them any wrong. Her recklessness was a liability to the group, and she should have been put down at that point, IMO.