I haven't read that far yet (or watched that far in to the show), but there's a general assumption in this world that rapists are not good people and deserve to die. Also, I'm going to guess that they were literally about to do that, so Rick had probable cause. Kenny had no idea what happened and he went on the warpath, that just makes him a villain.
kenny and rick are the exact same at this point, kenny trying to protect his only family, and sure he does fucked up things but its for the best. rick. trying to protect his only family, and sure he does fucked up things but its for the best.
kenny and rick are the exact same at this point, kenny trying to protect his only family, and sure he does fucked up things but its for the best. rick. trying to protect his only family, and sure he does fucked up things but its for the best.
The logic is that Rick had a plausible reason to tear out the guys throat as it was happening right in front of him and it required immediat… moree action. Plus Carl is a legitimate character and Rick's son, while AJ is just a baby. Kenny had no proof that Jane had murdered AJ. He came to that conclusion all by himself then in a rage of pure bloodlust, he intends to murder her in cold blood. It's just so screwed up.
No! he had reason to believe AJ is dead! what your not understanding is, kenny thought AJ was dead, he wasn't trying to kill jane out of anger, he did it only to protect clem from what jane might do in the future!
I haven't read that far yet (or watched that far in to the show), but there's a general assumption in this world that rapists are not good p… moreeople and deserve to die. Also, I'm going to guess that they were literally about to do that, so Rick had probable cause. Kenny had no idea what happened and he went on the warpath, that just makes him a villain.
Yes he had reason to believe AJ was dead because Jane literally told him that it was an ACCIDENT. Kenny had no evidence Jane had done anything, he just angrily went after her. He had no intention of "protecting" Clementine, he was giving what he thought in his mind was vengeance for AJ.
No! he had reason to believe AJ is dead! what your not understanding is, kenny thought AJ was dead, he wasn't trying to kill jane out of anger, he did it only to protect clem from what jane might do in the future!
I actually don't wanna start a discussion with you about this, since it has already been discussed about several times, but i will at least be so kind and respond to you.
There's so many other things that could have happened. She could have been grabbed then AJ falls out of her arms. She has to keep moving or they'll both die. The simple fact is that AJ wasn't dead and Jane never killed him.
You are in denial. Even if she would have been grabbed by a Walker, she should have tried to save the baby. If she would have kept moving like you suggested, she would in fact be a " fucking baby killer ". And the simple fact that Jane never killed AJ does not matter, because he manipulated Kenny (and Clem) to think that she did.
Ok. I'll bite. Let's play the blame game. It's Kenny's fault that Mike and Bonnie left the group because of his maniacal treatment of Arvo, a defenseless kid with no power at all to fight back. It's the groups fault for being too stupid to walk around the lake which results in Luke's death which causes the group to fall apart. It's Kenny's fault for throwing the first punch. It's Jane's fault for not telling Kenny AJ wasn't dead. It's Kenny's fault for being too Kenny to even consider any kind of reasoning. If he had talked it out, then Jane would look like a heartless bastard, revealing AJ was still alive. But since he was willing to murder the last member of the group in pure cold blooded rage, that's why he is as much to blame as Jane. Jane started it, but Kenny escalated it.
Arvo was not just a defenseless kid. He ordered a dangerous group of russians to steal our groups food and supplies, which would have caused the baby's unavoidable death. You may say now that Jane was the one who robbed him first (which was obviously stupid), but even if you did not robb him he will tell his group of angry russians to rob you. Kenny obviously overreacted, but again, his rage was understandable. Oh and by the way, did i forget to mention that Arvo shot Clementine, without any proper reason.
Yes it's understandable, but straight up murdering someone else in cold blood with no kind of proof that she had deviously plotted to kill AJ like he says. It's just messed up. That's why both of them were so messed up and Luke was the perfect ending companion.
There was no proof that Kenny was trying to instantly kill her at the start of the fight. Things just escalated very quickly. And you also seem to forget that Jane was trying to kill him as well.
What do you mean by unpreventable death? Jane could have either left the baby behind to die, or died together with the baby by trying to pro… moretect it. There was no such thing like " it was an accident " in this particular situation.
There's so many other things that could have happened. She could have been grabbed then AJ falls out of her arms. She has to keep moving or they'll both die. The simple fact is that AJ wasn't dead and Jane never killed him.
Without Jane's stupidity, this whole fucked up situation wouldn't even have started in the first place.
Ok. I'll bite. Let's play the blame game. It's Kenny's fault that Mike and Bonnie left the group because of his maniacal treatment of Arvo, a defenseless kid with no power at all to fight back. It's the groups fault for being too stupid to walk around the lake which results in Luke's death which causes the group to fall apart. It's Kenny's fault for throwing the first punc… [view original content]
Honestly its pretty obvious the baby is fine, Jane talks to clem and tells her to stay out of it I knew then. I think she just underestimated how crazy Kenny goes and that he would resort to murder immediately
you all, your janes, you think kenny is pure evil!! when all he wants is to make sure no one he loves dies! unlike jane WHO IS A LONE FUCKING WOLF WITH NO REASON TO LIVE!!!
Yes he had reason to believe AJ was dead because Jane literally told him that it was an ACCIDENT. Kenny had no evidence Jane had done anythi… moreng, he just angrily went after her. He had no intention of "protecting" Clementine, he was giving what he thought in his mind was vengeance for AJ.
kenny thought AJ was dead, he wasn't trying to kill jane out of anger, he did it only to protect clem from what jane might do in the future!
Nope. Kenny seemed pretty dang angry to me! There wasn't much rational thinking there. If he really wanted to just protect Clem, he would just take Clem with him and leave Jane behind. The first thought he exhibits is violence which usually stems from anger, when he begins the fight by attempting to punch Jane.
Dialouge:
Kenny: *throws punch. "How could you kill a fucking child??"
Jane: *dodges. "I didn't kill him. It was an accident Kenny."
Kenny: "Bullshit!"
He then proceeds to slam her against the glass door.
i will tell you the same thing i said to the other guy.
kenny thought AJ was dead, he wasn't trying to kill jane out of anger, he did it only to protect clem from what jane might do in the future!
Kenny is crazy, whether he loves his family or not doesn't really matter.
Exactly, he thought she had killed him, with no proof. His crazed mind just made him assume the worst, and you know what they say about when you AssUMe.
kenny ain't crazy he loves his family (clem and AJ)
and he would stab a bitch to protect them. XD stab a bitch!!! XD lol
and just think, i… moref you thought some random ass woman you just met killed your child/family, how far would you snap? this is in the ZA too
kenny and rick are the exact same at this point, kenny trying to protect his only family, and sure he does fucked up things but its for the best. rick. trying to protect his only family, and sure he does fucked up things but its for the best.
What do you mean by unpreventable death? Jane could have either left the baby behind to die, or died together with the baby by trying to pro… moretect it. There was no such thing like " it was an accident " in this particular situation.
Yes, Kenny could have dealt with the situation differently. But he believed that Jane did kill AJ, so his rage was understandable. Without Jane's stupidity, this whole fucked up situation wouldn't even have started in the first place.
Calm down there, I never said I hated Kenny, and I'm not a very big fan of Jane. I'm just pointing out Kenny's behavior and motivations in that sequence, and none of them were pure, but Jane's actions were also out of line.
you all, your janes, you think kenny is pure evil!! when all he wants is to make sure no one he loves dies! unlike jane WHO IS A LONE FUCKING WOLF WITH NO REASON TO LIVE!!!
What do you mean by unpreventable death? Jane could have either left the baby behind to die, or died together with the baby by trying to pro… moretect it.
You're one of the people who says "I would DIE before I let the child die!".... ok.
There was no such thing like " it was an accident " in this particular situation.
Yes there is. It accidentally died. Accidents happen all the time, amplified by flesh hungry zombies walking around.
Yes, Kenny could have dealt with the situation differently. But he believed that Jane did kill AJ, so his rage was understandable.
His rage is only understandable because he is crazed and jumps at the thought of Jane killing the child. That doesn't mean it is justified.
Without Jane's stupidity, this whole fucked up situation wouldn't even have started in the first place.
First thing you've said that I agree with.
Calm down there, I never said I hated Kenny, and I'm not a very big fan of Jane. I'm just pointing out Kenny's behavior and motivations in t… morehat sequence, and none of them were pure, but Jane's actions were also out of line.
"Ain't no saints in all of this."
You're one of the people who says "I would DIE before I let the child die!".... ok.
Yes, i would in fact try to protect a defenseless innocent child and if i would die by doing that, so be it. I am a father in real life, i guess immature people like you don't understand this.
Yes there is. It accidentally died. Accidents happen all the time, amplified by flesh hungry zombies walking around.
You are in denial. That is that.
His rage is only understandable because he is crazed and jumps at the thought of Jane killing the child. That doesn't mean it is justified.
He has every right to believe that a person he barely even knows just killed a innocent little baby, that he loves and cares about. He was trying to protect Clem, this has nothing to do about him being crazy.
What do you mean by unpreventable death? Jane could have either left the baby behind to die, or died together with the baby by trying to pro… moretect it.
You're one of the people who says "I would DIE before I let the child die!".... ok.
There was no such thing like " it was an accident " in this particular situation.
Yes there is. It accidentally died. Accidents happen all the time, amplified by flesh hungry zombies walking around.
Yes, Kenny could have dealt with the situation differently. But he believed that Jane did kill AJ, so his rage was understandable.
His rage is only understandable because he is crazed and jumps at the thought of Jane killing the child. That doesn't mean it is justified.
Without Jane's stupidity, this whole fucked up situation wouldn't even have started in the first place.
First thing you've said that I agree with.
You shouldn't do that, ever. It's against the forum rules so you will be banned, but more to the point it's just in poor taste. Be a better person than that
Ok. Let's say you dive in to save the baby. Now you've grabbed him, congrats, you're both dead. You died attempting save the life of a baby that can't do anything independently.
Arvo never had control of anything. He was directed under Buricko and Vitali to lead them to the people who robbed him. You make Arvo sound like Hitler. Kenny was hitting him and yelling at him for no reason over something that was already over. There was no point in abusing the kid. Arvo shot Clem because he was pissed off at everyone.
I actually don't wanna start a discussion with you about this, since it has already been discussed about several times, but i will at least … morebe so kind and respond to you.
There's so many other things that could have happened. She could have been grabbed then AJ falls out of her arms. She has to keep moving or they'll both die. The simple fact is that AJ wasn't dead and Jane never killed him.
You are in denial. Even if she would have been grabbed by a Walker, she should have tried to save the baby. If she would have kept moving like you suggested, she would in fact be a " fucking baby killer ". And the simple fact that Jane never killed AJ does not matter, because he manipulated Kenny (and Clem) to think that she did.
Ok. I'll bite. Let's play the blame game. It's Kenny's fault that Mike and Bonnie left the group because of his maniacal treatment of Arvo, a defenseless kid with no power at all to fight back. It's the groups… [view original content]
This has nothing to do with my Ego. I just don't want to start another discussion about this topic. It has already been discussed about enough already.
Ok. Let's say you dive in to save the baby. Now you've grabbed him, congrats, you're both dead. You died attempting save the life of a baby … morethat can't do anything independently.
Arvo never had control of anything. He was directed under Buricko and Vitali to lead them to the people who robbed him. You make Arvo sound like Hitler. Kenny was hitting him and yelling at him for no reason over something that was already over. There was no point in abusing the kid. Arvo shot Clem because he was pissed off at everyone.
This discussion is over now
Ego much?
Just change your thread title to "Please close this thread"
I wish people wouldnt do that or edit things away completely then people have no idea what anything is about, PM a MOD if ur that desperate to have it closed
This has nothing to do with my Ego. I just don't want to start another discussion about this topic. It has already been discussed about enough already.
Yes, i would in fact try to protect a defenseless innocent child and if i would die by doing that, so be it. I am a father in real life, i guess immature people like you don't understand this.
Now don't stoop so low. I am actually very mature. That doesn't mean I would give my life for a baby I don't know, especially under the circumstances the baby wouldn't live either. 2 deaths or 1, it would be hard, but that's double the necessary slaughter. Being a father really doesn't matter.
You are in denial. That is that.
No, just taking into consideration all aspects of the situation.
He has every right to believe that a person he barely even knows just killed a innocent little baby, that he loves and cares about.
Because she was the only one there to see it? That's like saying someone saw a bomb go off and saw it kill people, go tell the family of one of the deceased, then the family killing the messenger for giving them the information..... So no.
He was trying to protect Clem, this has nothing to do about him being crazy.
I agree he most always had Clem's best interests at heart, but this is all about him being crazy.
You're one of the people who says "I would DIE before I let the child die!".... ok.
Yes, i would in fact try to protect a defenseles… mores innocent child and if i would die by doing that, so be it. I am a father in real life, i guess immature people like you don't understand this.
Yes there is. It accidentally died. Accidents happen all the time, amplified by flesh hungry zombies walking around.
You are in denial. That is that.
His rage is only understandable because he is crazed and jumps at the thought of Jane killing the child. That doesn't mean it is justified.
He has every right to believe that a person he barely even knows just killed a innocent little baby, that he loves and cares about. He was trying to protect Clem, this has nothing to do about him being crazy.
This discussion is over now
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We must pray...
I hope he comes soon
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I haven't read that far yet (or watched that far in to the show), but there's a general assumption in this world that rapists are not good people and deserve to die. Also, I'm going to guess that they were literally about to do that, so Rick had probable cause. Kenny had no idea what happened and he went on the warpath, that just makes him a villain.
How does killing Jane protect anybody? It wouldn't bring a dead baby back to life.
kenny and rick are the exact same at this point, kenny trying to protect his only family, and sure he does fucked up things but its for the best. rick. trying to protect his only family, and sure he does fucked up things but its for the best.
are you sure jane didn't put on a strap on and buttrape him?
Oh grow up. She was being chased by walkers. You are so incredibly biased. There are two point of views to every situation, not just Kenny's.
Sarcasm is a hard thing to detect on the internet.
No! he had reason to believe AJ is dead! what your not understanding is, kenny thought AJ was dead, he wasn't trying to kill jane out of anger, he did it only to protect clem from what jane might do in the future!
you know i was joking right?
Yes he had reason to believe AJ was dead because Jane literally told him that it was an ACCIDENT. Kenny had no evidence Jane had done anything, he just angrily went after her. He had no intention of "protecting" Clementine, he was giving what he thought in his mind was vengeance for AJ.
I actually don't wanna start a discussion with you about this, since it has already been discussed about several times, but i will at least be so kind and respond to you.
You are in denial. Even if she would have been grabbed by a Walker, she should have tried to save the baby. If she would have kept moving like you suggested, she would in fact be a " fucking baby killer ". And the simple fact that Jane never killed AJ does not matter, because he manipulated Kenny (and Clem) to think that she did.
Arvo was not just a defenseless kid. He ordered a dangerous group of russians to steal our groups food and supplies, which would have caused the baby's unavoidable death. You may say now that Jane was the one who robbed him first (which was obviously stupid), but even if you did not robb him he will tell his group of angry russians to rob you. Kenny obviously overreacted, but again, his rage was understandable. Oh and by the way, did i forget to mention that Arvo shot Clementine, without any proper reason.
There was no proof that Kenny was trying to instantly kill her at the start of the fight. Things just escalated very quickly. And you also seem to forget that Jane was trying to kill him as well.
i will tell you the same thing i said to the other guy.
no sarcasm
Yeah, I had her figured when she said that as well.
you all, your janes, you think kenny is pure evil!! when all he wants is to make sure no one he loves dies! unlike jane WHO IS A LONE FUCKING WOLF WITH NO REASON TO LIVE!!!
My comment keeps disappearing...
Sarcasm is hard to detect on the internets.
Nope. Kenny seemed pretty dang angry to me! There wasn't much rational thinking there. If he really wanted to just protect Clem, he would just take Clem with him and leave Jane behind. The first thought he exhibits is violence which usually stems from anger, when he begins the fight by attempting to punch Jane.
Dialouge:
Kenny: *throws punch. "How could you kill a fucking child??"
Jane: *dodges. "I didn't kill him. It was an accident Kenny."
Kenny: "Bullshit!"
He then proceeds to slam her against the glass door.
Pretty much acting out of rage.
Kenny is crazy, whether he loves his family or not doesn't really matter.
Exactly, he thought she had killed him, with no proof. His crazed mind just made him assume the worst, and you know what they say about when you AssUMe.
How does killing Jane protect anyone?
You're one of the people who says "I would DIE before I let the child die!".... ok.
Yes there is. It accidentally died. Accidents happen all the time, amplified by flesh hungry zombies walking around.
His rage is only understandable because he is crazed and jumps at the thought of Jane killing the child. That doesn't mean it is justified.
First thing you've said that I agree with.
Calm down there, I never said I hated Kenny, and I'm not a very big fan of Jane. I'm just pointing out Kenny's behavior and motivations in that sequence, and none of them were pure, but Jane's actions were also out of line.
"Ain't no saints in all of this."
i think i need to do something insane to close this disscusion. i may need to post porn....
BLIND SNIPER?!! WHERE ARE YOU!
Only moderators can close a thread.
@BlindSniper @Jennifer
and several others but I don't remember their names.
ok, ok. i need to close this thread somehow
Just change your thread title to "Please close this thread"
Yes, i would in fact try to protect a defenseless innocent child and if i would die by doing that, so be it. I am a father in real life, i guess immature people like you don't understand this.
You are in denial. That is that.
He has every right to believe that a person he barely even knows just killed a innocent little baby, that he loves and cares about. He was trying to protect Clem, this has nothing to do about him being crazy.
You shouldn't do that, ever. It's against the forum rules so you will be banned, but more to the point it's just in poor taste. Be a better person than that
Ok. Let's say you dive in to save the baby. Now you've grabbed him, congrats, you're both dead. You died attempting save the life of a baby that can't do anything independently.
Arvo never had control of anything. He was directed under Buricko and Vitali to lead them to the people who robbed him. You make Arvo sound like Hitler. Kenny was hitting him and yelling at him for no reason over something that was already over. There was no point in abusing the kid. Arvo shot Clem because he was pissed off at everyone.
Ego much?
Whatever floats your boat, try not to change it to something that'll get you banned though.
how about, "THIS THREAD HAS AIDS DONT ENTER OR YOU WILL GET AIDS! NO MORE THINGS ARE BEING POSTED!"
This has nothing to do with my Ego. I just don't want to start another discussion about this topic. It has already been discussed about enough already.
I wish people wouldnt do that or edit things away completely then people have no idea what anything is about, PM a MOD if ur that desperate to have it closed
I think the best way to stop a discussion about a topic that has been discussed to death and back, is to not comment on it.
Wow. You actually did that.
OH SHIT I HAVE AIDS
Now don't stoop so low. I am actually very mature. That doesn't mean I would give my life for a baby I don't know, especially under the circumstances the baby wouldn't live either. 2 deaths or 1, it would be hard, but that's double the necessary slaughter. Being a father really doesn't matter.
No, just taking into consideration all aspects of the situation.
Because she was the only one there to see it? That's like saying someone saw a bomb go off and saw it kill people, go tell the family of one of the deceased, then the family killing the messenger for giving them the information..... So no.
I agree he most always had Clem's best interests at heart, but this is all about him being crazy.
Ok.
Theres a Mega-Thread for this topic!
yep, and now we all have aids
good for you! OH SHIT! SO DO I!
We must pray...
I hope he comes soon
Oh blessed mod tools, hallowed be your presence. The trolls come, my will shall be done, on the forums, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily thread closure, and forgive us our trolling and spamming, as we also have forgiven our spammers. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from trolls.
In the name of Forum Moderation we pray Amen - Blind Sniper
Amen.