Kenny vs Jane was a bad move.
Still I don't know why they did it. It just seemed bizarre and awkward there was almost no build up except for that one scene. Luke vs Kenny would have been far better and I would have had a harder time picking between the two even though I'd probably still pick Kenny but I would feel way more guilty about it where as I didn't care if Jane died.
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I shall repeat,
Luke vs Kenny is much worse.
I keep reading your username as Cleminem and imagine Clem rapping.
Anyway...how I´ve wished for a Luke ending.
At least I had a sense of where it was coming from Jane vs Kenny happened almost inexplicably
Luke could never kill someone, and Jane fits that role.
She already wanted to ditch Kenny and pretty much manipulated Clementine to follow her, Kenny uses Clementine to convince the group that they are just misunderstanding him and beating a kid wasn't on purpose.
Luke wouldn't kill him. Regardless Jane vs Kenny was out of no where where Luke vs Kenny is understandable since they were at each other's throats for 4 episodes
Totally agree that Kenny vs Jane was a very bad move. But I'm not in any way convinced that Luke vs Kenny would have been any better or if it even would have made any sense.
I don't think creating such a binary divide is a good idea in a game that is at its best in the grey areas of humanity. And it has hardly been a positive force among fans of the game.
*3 episodes.
So, if I am in disagreement with someone, does that mean I'll kill him/her?
No. Luke and Kenny during the 3 episodes, that was merely a misunderstanding between two complete opposites.
I'd rather have Luke vs Kenny, but not have it end with a fight.
A political debate then?
Honestly I would have them become friends instead of rivals, and the choice would give you bullet and have to save them form zombies.
Have the after effect like choosing who to sit with back in Ep2.
I still would've chose Kenny.
A pissing match. Duh.
And a choice where you let them both die that simulates the alone ending.
Can we get a glimpse of Luke's ... down there
EHE
fangirling intensifies
I think it was originally Kenny vs Luke, but for who-knows reason they changed it. Just look at Jane's return, I don't know, it seems like it was forced, if they wanted her to appear in Episode 5, why make her leave at the end of Episode 4?
And Luke's death... well, it causes the group to fall apart, but I think that makes Episode 1 kinda pointless... It was much better if he was determinant, or if he died later in a better way.
I'm pretty sure Jane vs Kenny was planned from Episode 3.
Seemed like there was plenty of build up. It mainly started up at the beginning of episode 5, but the problems usually stemmed over Arvo. Jane wanting to go with Arvo's plan to find food at his camp and Kenny disagreeing, Kenny beating up Arvo after the ice lake incident then Jane steps in with the bag of food making Kenny look like an asshole. Then of course they could not agree on where to go. All these problems seemed unreasonable, but you have to remember that Clementine is dealing with unreasonable, scared, and angry people just thinking what's the best way to survive and if a problem occurs who's fault it is.
Before episode 5 Jane (and I suppose everyone else) saw how broken Kenny was after losing Sarita and his eye, yet Kenny still tried to make decisions for the group. Jane is more outspoken to Clementine when it came to Kenny's leadership role so she really didn't seem to want to try and work things out with Kenny in the first place. It seems Jane state of mind was that she saw Kenny as kind of like Carver and didn't want Clementine to around that kind of person, so we got a ....Jane vs Kenny in the end.
Bringing Jane into the game was a bad move in itself, IMO. They should have kept Carley instead.
Carley was more appealing. She was pretty, had a nice personality and a sexy voice.
She was well-read and knew a lot about geography, being a reporter.
She was a moral person, and helped maintain the group's humanity while they were trying to survive. She consistently made the right call (deciding to keep Duck, telling Lee to tell the truth, etc.)
If she were still with the group, they would have reached Wellington a lot earlier, perhaps with several of them still alive.
I wish Doug was still alive.
You just made that up
Exactly. It doesn't matter if you leave the next day or wait for Rebecca to heal, Jane ends up showing anyway.
Oh?
What about the talk in the truck when Kenny was pissed after 95% of the group wanted to go somewhere warm.
Although, I may have went too far on the "beating a kid wasn't on purpose" and wasn't in the episode itself, but still, Kenny wanted Clem to talk the group in to go to Wellington.
Carley was awesome but being dead would have been a disadvantage.
Why? It didn't stop Kenny. =P
It should have been Luke VS Carlos
That's what I said.. they should have kept Carley instead of killing her off...
Doug was awesome too. His engineering prowess was a really cool asset to have in the group.
Death is only a temporary inconvenience.
Sarah vs Arvo
10/10 -IGN
When death stares you in the face, shout at it and tell it you need to find a boat.
I think the whole Carver chapter would have gone pear shaped though had those walkie talkies needed batteries.
lolol
I'll save Luke no matter what :'D
Kenny vs Jane would've worked more successfully if Jane had been there from the very first episode of Season 2. By having her present with the cabin group, perhaps that switch with her and Luke wouldn't have made everything before her appearance feel kind of meaningless to the story, nor had her sudden character change to make her a more of a caring person keep contradicting herself with how she behaved originally in Episode 3.
Kenny vs Luke, however it might've played it out in a scenario, would've been far more interesting. It would of had the plot through the whole season be building to something with an actual pay off, and brought up the moral question on what is best for Clementine growing up in that world, with a clear cut option on picking between survival or humanity as the answers. Do we want Clem to become like Kenny where she'll do what she has to in order to survive, or do we want her to become like Luke where she'll show mercy on others? Carver's speech on the weak and strong would've actually meant something.
Apart from the delay in her appearance, Jane also is too much like Kenny. They are both about survival and will do what they have to in order to make it in that world. It is why choosing between them was made that much less difficult for me, than deciding who to sit with at a dinner table, because I didn't agree with neither Kenny or Jane with what they stood by or what they had said previously. It is the equivalent of Neo being asked "do you want the blue or the red pill?" in the Matrix, but it being two red pills instead.
So rather than frantically looking at my options as the timer ticked down, Kenny vs Jane just had me shrugging my shoulders and contemplating if heat up some pop-tarts for myself or go order a pizza. The moral of the story? Curveballs suck when they aren't handled well. Others might feel differently and that's fine, but this curveball just had me doing this:
http://youtu.be/a5R_pS0h5Qk
Please, no more curveballs for Season 3 T_T
My god that was great to read. Here take a like.
What does that piece of shit Arvo have to do with episode 3?
I don't think any character should get as much screen time as Kenny. Or in your story Carlos. Unless that character actually survives the season.
Luke vs Kenny i think would be a bad choice as a fight because i dont think lukes that kinda person who would do that/get into a fight but maybe if you had to save one of them then maybe that would work
Honey me and you both
An interesting ending would have been Kenny's sacrifice at Wellington, but with Luke there as well. Clem and AJ enter Wellington and Kenny and Luke depart, an unlikely but interesting duo.
Luke vs. Kenny would have been much more better, imo. Everything was leading up to it and all, only for it to be cut off by Luke dying.
It would have been much more easier/better if Jane was the one who drowned, seeing that Luke would be all sad and shit, and realize that he can't just 'get over' everything. Then, when Luke doesn't want to head north anymore, after seeing Jane die BECAUSE of an icy lake, Kenny get pissed. Says "You're just mopey and all that shit because your girlfriend died". Causing even MORE tension between the two.
Mike and Bonnie would want to leave, obviously, Mike would talk Bonnie out of asking Luke since he's all mopey and shit and wouldn't do much. Bonnie would reluctantly agree, then the scene goes on from there. Eventually, Luke's anger will get to him in the car. Everything will hit him like a shit ton of bricks. His parents dying, Pete, Nick, Alvin, Carlos, Sarah, Rebecca, Jane, Mike and Bonnie leaving, then he starts to argue with Kenny.
Luke wouldn't hide the baby, Clementine would obviously have him. And then Kenny's impatience gets him into a brawl with Luke, and you'll have the option to shoot Kenny, who's choking Luke instead of trying to stab him (because it was Jane's knife) or look away. Resulting in Luke's death (ow that was hard to write).
If Luke is alive, you go to Howe's. Where Luke would eventually want to start a community where he can be the leader he never got to be because of Carver. Just a more humane leader, but it's not the same Luke. He's just a little off. Not crazy or mentally unstable, though. But I think a great twist is to have the 400 Days characters make an appearance instead of the family. Whoever went to the camp, you find hauled up in the building when a few walkers are banging on the door. You have the option to hold them at gun point and kick them out, or keep them with you.
And the Kenny ending is the Kenny ending that you already know about.
I'll be honest, I rather this more than Kenny vs. Jane. And I didn't even try on this one.