Wouldn't This Have Fixed The Arvo Conundrum?
So remember that really odd event in Amid The Ruins. One in which, even if you didn't steal from Arvo - He would claim you did and come towards you. Alright wouldn't this have been better.
Steal From Arvo: You decide to steal from Arvo, and Jane leaves. She explains that she feels she is "corrupting" you, and doesn't want to badly influence Clementine throughout her life. She shows Clementine needs to be independent and make her own choices, and not have them determined by Jane (who encourages you to steal from Arvo). Jane leaves the group, and the gunfight occurs. She returns in the same way, by stabbing the Russian in the back of the neck and further conversation shows she decided to come back, stating that she knows Clementine needs a guardian, especially when she heard the gun shots and ironically enough - She made a bad decision of leaving the group.
Dont Steal From Arvo: Despite her rage against Arvo, and the fact she throws the gun away. She regrets what she did, and she later thanks Clementine. She believes Clementine is independent and resourceful, and thanks Clementine for making her make a good decision. Because of this, Jane decides not to leave the group. Though she does regret taking Arvos gun and almost deciding to shoot him. As the group continues, they encounter Arvo. However this time, Arvo confronts the group, stating to the Russians that Jane is the one who attacked him. Kenny questions Jane (building a sense of conflict early on) and Arvo says they can make a deal as everyone readies their weapon.
He wants the group to hand over Jane, and then they will leave them alone. Clementine can defend Jane, say nothing, plead with Arvo to leave them alone or ask the group to consider in. In which Jane seems hurt and Luke defends Jane. The ongoing hostility builds until Rebecca returns as a walker.
No Time Left begins however during the gunfire, it seems Jane has suddenly "disappeared" leading some members such as Bonnie and Luke to believe she may have run off during the gunfight between you and the Russians. However Jane appears last minute and stabs the Russian. She explains she was simply trying to flank them, and not run off. Though Bonnie and Mike seem to be reluctant to agree, Luke at least forgives her and Clementine can determinately.
There, that ties up most of the loose-ends and hopefully makes things more plausible with little more work and tweaking needed to be done by Telltale. What do you guys think?
Comments
Well, there's a reminder, that you DID steal from Arvo.
Jane stole his gun.
However, I think Arvo didn't return the medical supplies to the mercenaries and blamed Clementine for taking them despite the fact they didn't.
The whole Arvo scenario was poorly planned and written what with the rob or not rob choice not making a blind bit of difference. The part with Arvo and Mike escaping was badly written and interchangeable. That "Can I go with you" option. FUCK THAT!
There are lots of ways the Arvo scene could have been better handled. They could have cleared it up by simply giving Clem a dialogue option saying "We didn't take anything from you! We let you go free!" and having Arvo say something like "You take my gun. When I come back without it, Buricko says to bring him to the people who take it."
I have trouble imagining this issue not coming up during playtests. Literally every playthrough I've seen where Clem doesn't rob Arvo had the player questioning if the game glitched out or if Arvo was just lying. It was just sloppy writing, no two ways about it.
I know how they could've fixed it:
Done! =D
But being serious, those are good ideas you got there.
Well the original plan in that spot was to kill Mike, but, at the last minute, Telltale took it out and that's why the choice in that spot was to ask to go with Mike instead of killing him. I don't know why they took it out, my hope is that Mike, Arvo, and Bonnie (determinant) will appear in Season 3 and that's why they took it out.
Bonnie could have died in the lake so she might not make a reappearance, though if she does that would be pretty cool. Unless she stays silent and then dies. I wonder if they'll do better with determinants next season?
That's why I put determinant next to her name. If you saved her in the lake, she will appear, and if you didn't, it will just be Mike and Arvo.
Not just in playtests. As with a few other issues, a script editor should have picked up on it.
doesn't matter imo. Its over. I hope we see Arvo again, i liked his character now.
Jane makes it pretty clear that she just can't handle seeing what happened to her sister repeated in Sarah and/or possibly Clem. The suggestion that she would be worried she's corrupting Clem doesn't fit her, as she's teaching Clem what she considers is the best way to survive, Clem's not learning it without Jane's guidance. Her heel-face turn regarding her own actions toward Arvo is exactly that, and I don't think the situation was tense enough, volatile enough, or symbolic enough for her to reconsider how she's been living for the past two years. The suggestion that she considers Clem independent and resourceful actually works in favor of her leaving the group.
These changes would be abrupt or out of her character. I know that feeling, wanting to cut corners to make everything come up your way, but it's a domino effect. One change affects not just the sequence of events moving forward, but also the sequence in reverse, too, and then you end up with an entirely different story. In this case, specifically from EP3 and onward. These revisions would result in Jane being the kind of person to open up more quickly or have less of a loner mentality. Luke might not have had to risk being caught, and their first plan might have been something else, resulting in the possibility that Kenny doesn't get seriously injured, which was a pivotal point in his character development.