Everything Wrong With Episode 4: Amid the Ruins.
For those who haven't seen it yet:
I'm surprised that they didn't sin the fact that Kenny's angry at you no matter what you did to Sarita, Luke's ribs magically heeled up so he can fuck Jane, the fact that at 15:35, Clementine is somehow magically flying, and one of the major choices in the episode was holding the baby. Also, I would have said, "Russian Harry Potter," but whatever.
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I'm pretty sure these are sort of meant to be taken as a joke, but I stopped watching at the fifth one. If she was able to say "hey Kenny, guess you know how Lilly felt" in the middle of the hoard, that would literally be the stupidest thing ever.
Of course they're meant to be a joke, these people don't actually hate the game, but they enjoy nitpicking the hell out of it (that's literally their slogan for their channel). Even if you like it, you still have to acknowledge it's shortcomings and flaws, might as well get some laughter out of it. It's like Cinemasins, the person that does it doesn't hate the movies, but is willing to point out the flaws of it.
True, Amid The Ruins does have its flaws, but most of what people hate it for are exactly that, nitpicks.
Yeah and they let those nitpicks affect their whole view of the episode. Which is stupid.
Yup.
wow i had forgotten about that Jane and Rebecca interaction. shitty character, shitty dialogue that makes no sense. Most hyped and worst episode ever. Thanks Shorette
So much Sarah hate in this video
Eric Stirpe and J.T. Petty wrote this episode, Shorette wrote In Harms Way (one of the best episode in my opinion). But yeah, this episode is poorly written and just plain not good.
If the flaws are huge, persistent, easy to spot, break your immersion, etc, then it's not nitpicking.
This never happened for me, you guys must have gotten a special version that I don't know about.
Yeah, they don't like her that much, her and Kenny.
wrong at 11:00 it is actually russian harry potter 1+ sin for this channel
I literally said the same thing when I saw that too.
Doesn't the purpose of the statue become clear when Jane tells the story of her sister, of how she dragged her through the world and forced her to survive, when she just wanted to go? That's why she looks at it when they leave. Just my opinion.
They also hate Ben and Nick, he removed sins for both of their deaths.
Wait, for Nick's death?
I think so too, not only about Jamie, but how she abandons the group at the end.
Nicks 2nd death was the laziest thing the series has ever done, he appears in 2 scenes and in one of those hes a zambambo.
Sarah dies no matter what you do, so whats the point of the option?
Ending where you go now or later makes no difference, same scene afterwords happens.
Well they removed a sin for Nick's death because he does absolutely nothing if you saved him, so that makes sense.
Not every character death is going to be a moment of glory, people are going to die like that, not a very valid complaint. Even then, it's not something to hate the episode for, characters die every episode, Carlos' death was pretty awfully done, I rarely see people give episode 3 for that, so what's up? It's just that people liked Nick, so when a character they liked dies, the episode is suddenly garbage.
I'm not going to go into his one much but the point is, are you going to let your Clem let go of people who aren't fit to help themselves, or are you going to let her become the type of person who still wants to save people. Not that hard to figure out.
While I can't really excuse this one, the choices never really made a difference anyway, and they wouldn't be able to create 2 different scenarios for it anyway, also I'm pretty sure the same thing happens in season 1, where if you wait till night or go at daytime in the first episode, after that the same scenario plays.
I have no problem without a character going out in a blaze of glory, but the fact he got no dialogue in the episode and barely any in the 3rd episode. Its pretty obvious TT had no idea what to do with him.
Well I blame it on episode 2, they should have never made him determinant in the first place.
I find it funny that Chuck died off-screen and no one complained. His death should have been what Nick's was modeled after.
I still wish he would've died in the gunfight.
That probably would have been worse, lol.
I didn't really care for Chuck all that much, but I find his death kinda "meh."
Regarding that statue: I absolutely hate how they handled the symbolism behind it
It got to a point where they were literally bashing you over the head with it; it was shoehorned in to basically every single scene
"Guys look at this statue holy fucking SHIT what could it MEAN"
I don't think so, seeing him die would have made it better for me. But seeing him caught in a fence was pretty pathetic.
Yes, 20 bonus points!
Eh maybe, but I don't really see a way Telltale would have gotten rid of him without the blaze of glory, which I don't think Nick deserves. Let's be honest, what did Nick really do that people liked him so much? :P Nothing, all the hype created for him was made by the fans and the fans only.
oh, i know this guy.... he was inspired by cinema sins , but people saying he's just ripping it off..
People did complain back when season 1 was going according to older people here. I hate his death less because we saw the reason he died, saving Clementine and his suicide, but Nick's death is open ended and illogical.
It gave an insight into the sort of character Jane was. Pure survivalist. Not carrying anyone against their will, free of burdens etc.
Jane: "Let's just leave all this behind us" "I guess some people can't just let go of the past"
I agree though, thought it was an overarching theme for the entire episode and the next one rather than just one character. Could have just had her tell us without the symbolism and it would have worked. Wasn't like the 'Duck' symbolism and family.
All the hype came out of the fact that we could decide his fate in Ep. 2 and that among the Cabin Group he had the best and most character development. We could choose to keep him alive or kill him. It was interesting to see what would come out of it.
He didn't need to go out in a blaze of glory, he just needed to do something and have people react, or at the very least on screen.
People could relate to Nick's personality and had sympathy for him. He and Sarah had the most personality at of all the cabin survivors. (Expect for Rebecca)
He was one of my favorite characters out of S2, Pete was "nice", Luke was just a nice guy until he started showing emotion (Ep4 and 5) and Alvin was not really like able unless you saved him in Episode 2 or asked him for the juice box.
Every Cabin survivor death was fine until Nick and Sarah's second death scenes because they were poorly made, like really I don't believe Nick tripped and got stuck into a fence. And Sarah's second death, she fell but she was the last to fall and the debris fell before her, like how did she get stuck? Such bull.
This is what I'm not getting, why does he need to die on screen? And why does there need to be a reaction? People can die without Clementine being right there, next to them holding their hand through it.
That's right I forgot he died for Clem, his death makes more sense now.
The theory is that Nick ran off to get help. He tangles with the walker. He can't fend it off. He gets bit. His last act is to wedge himself into the fence so he can't harm any of his friends.
Sarah's deaths told me that the writers hated her. You could only get out of the first death by slapping her.
How do you even know that happened? What if he turned and then got caught on to the fence, walkers love clinging to the fence as shown in the show. I can't really excuse the Sarah getting stuck thing though.