Was Kenny right to kill Jane?

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  • i really dont think he's causing any trouble, hes not Zykelator. I dissagree with him on the game but that doesnt mean i think he's trolling or spamming or beingg a douche. Hes fine, and neither of the 2 seemed like they were being uncivil about it

  • Luke disagrees

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    MrX1H2 posted: »

    No.

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    colgato posted: »

    i really dont think he's causing any trouble, hes not Zykelator. I dissagree with him on the game but that doesnt mean i think he's trolling or spamming or beingg a douche. Hes fine, and neither of the 2 seemed like they were being uncivil about it

  • i just, until he starts making personal attacks towards people, or purposly tries to piss people off, he should stay. once that shit happens i think it would be a good time for a ban but so far all hes doing is sharing his opinions with those he dissagrees with and tries to change theirs. Forums are all about discussions but they should never resort to personal attacks or tempting people to get angry, but thats not what he's doing.

  • I'm not saying he should get banned or leave right now, just stop all this Jane Vs Kenny shit. If they don't they will eventually come to the point of those insults.

    colgato posted: »

    i just, until he starts making personal attacks towards people, or purposly tries to piss people off, he should stay. once that shit happens

  • maybe your right, i dont know. I just cant see it, at least not yet.

    I'm not saying he should get banned or leave right now, just stop all this Jane Vs Kenny shit. If they don't they will eventually come to the point of those insults.

  • I guess we should wait to see how far he goes, I'm trying to help him by telling him to stop antagonizing people.

    colgato posted: »

    maybe your right, i dont know. I just cant see it, at least not yet.

  • I would say in general it is wrong but it was Jane who started it cause she provoked him with he baby thing so in the end it all depends on your perspective but in my opinion I would say Yes.

  • PRAISE UNCLE PETE!!!

    Luke disagrees

  • No it is not justifiable. Kenny came on to Jane first with the intention of killing her.

    You're only assuming that. Was he wrong to attack her in the first place? Yes, but he didn't do anything to indicate that he was trying to murder her. After the initial attack, Kenny separated himself from the fight after getting slashed across the stomach. If Jane wasn't out for blood, the fight should have ended there. Instead, she made it clear that she intended to take Kenny's life. Kenny responded by defending himself from Jane's attacks, and then ended her once he gained the upper hand. Jane was the first one to introduce undeniable lethal intent into the fight, even after a retreat by Kenny. The man was defending himself, hence why I find his actions to be justifiable.

    MrX1H2 posted: »

    No it is not justifiable. Kenny came on to Jane first with the intention of killing her. Jane defended herself. That's all this is. Maybe if the fight was the other way around your statement would be true.

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    But who attacked first? Kenny. Therefore it's not justifiable.

    That's like saying you would be justified in pulling a gun and shooting someone in the back of the head just because they had walked up to you and slapped you across the face a few seconds prior. The whole idea of Jane being completely justified in her actions just because Kenny was the one who happened to physically instigate the fight is kind of illogical. Jane was the one who introduced clear lethal intention into the fight, and she also verbalized those intentions. Her actions were far beyond self defense.

    Jane wanted that fight as much as Kenny did. Playing around with technicalities really doesn't actually mean much.

    But who attacked first? Kenny. Therefore it's not justifiable. If he didn't then Jane would've been hella wrong. If she'd then attacked h

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    other people are already willing to do the worst to you to survive, and it's all about adapting.

    Precisely my point.
    Colgato, I recommend checking out a game called This War of Mine and testing out your moralistic approach there.

    It depends on your priorities. If you have loved ones to protect, then for most being moral isn't that important. If being moral puts one's

  • I really can't botther to read this because it is probably something about protecting Jane and attacking Kenny. I don't have time for this. Like i said i am seriously tired of this.

    You stick to your opinion and i'll stick to mine.

    Are you serious? Provocation isn't a valid reason to attack anyone. Even then she didn't do that:1) She said/lied that it was an accident

  • I didn't think i was causing trouble. Sorry didn't mean do it on purpose anyway.

    I am just saying i am really tired of this bullshit about Kenny/Jane and cannot bother with it anymore. It is SO tiring. People have right to their opinions and i see nothing wrong with stating mine.

    However i am trying not to engage into conversations where one is being attacked and other defended. I'll stick to my opinion and it certanly wouldn't be changed by a stranger and i am stubborn as hell too :D

  • Plus she abused him verbally in the car, who wouldn't be pissed of if his dead family is being mentioned in such wrong way.

    Belan posted: »

    But who attacked first? Kenny. Therefore it's not justifiable. That's like saying you would be justified in pulling a gun and shooti

  • MrX1H2MrX1H2 Banned
    edited November 2014

    You're only assuming that. Was he wrong to attack her in the first place? Yes, but he didn't do anything to indicate that he was trying to murder her.

    Line said by Kenny before Jane used lethal force:

    "YOU'RE FUCKING DEAD!"

    This line was said when Jane was on top of Kenny, after he had attacked her a second time. He says this when you do not intervene, which you and many others most likely did. Pretty sure attacking a woman for no reason and then threatening to murder her pretty fucking sounds like he intended on murdering her bud, regardless if she used lethal force or not.

    Kenny separated himself from the fight after getting slashed across the stomach. If Jane wasn't out for blood, the fight should have ended there.

    Yes the fight should have ended there. But i think you're mixed up about who was really after blood.

    Jane: Just go

    Kenny: I ain't going nowhere

    Yep bro, Jane was totally after blood, especially when she didn't even start the fight, sheathed her knife when attacked first, and telling Kenny to leave which would have ended the fight and nobody dies which Kenny then refused the offer to.

    Instead, she made it clear that she intended to take Kenny's life.

    As I stated in my other example

    "didn't even start the fight, sheathed her knife when attacked, and telling Kenny to leave which would have ended the fight and nobody dies which Kenny then refused the offer to."

    Kenny responded by defending himself from Jane's attacks, and then ended her once he gained the upper hand.

    A person walks up to you and tries to kill you without any reason. You pullout a weapon and use it against the person who is trying to kill you. You manage to injure the person trying to kill you. You try to run away from the person who is trying to kill you because you don't want to kill him, but he persists in trying to kill you and catches you. The person then succeeds in killing you. You're dead. The killer walks off scotch free because he killed you in self defense when you injured him. Do you see anything wrong with this sentence?

    The man was defending himself, hence why I find his actions to be justifiable.

    The "man" killed a woman in cold blood. But hey I don't judge people for how they want to play their game bought with their own money. But just accept the situation for what it is.

    Belan posted: »

    No it is not justifiable. Kenny came on to Jane first with the intention of killing her. You're only assuming that. Was he wrong to

  • I am too tired of this shit, It's Mich that is causing trouble, on multiple threads too. Don't worry, I was trying to get him to stop fighting with people, you're not in the wrong or trouble here. Enjoy your opinions!

    Majda posted: »

    I didn't think i was causing trouble. Sorry didn't mean do it on purpose anyway. I am just saying i am really tired of this bullshit abo

  • edited November 2014

    They were BOTH talking shit to each other, or did you forget Kenny telling her that she's nothing, and doesn't matter? They both were pissed and saying the worst shit to each other; that happens in an argument.

    To Belan: As far as Kenny knew, she accidentally lost AJ in the walker infested blizzard. When he attacked her, that's all he knew/could go on, and with that info he attacked her. Yes, WE knew what she did, but HE didn't; if she was telling truth, no one would even bring up the manipulation as part of the "provocation". She then defended herself with her knife, because she thought he would kill her.

    this is how it starts:

    Kenny comes back in, after trying to search for AJ, and says "How could you kill a fucking child?!" WHILE TAKING A SWING! He doesn't even want to have a conversation about how anything happened.

    Jane dodges, and brings up her knife while backing up. "I didn't kill him! It was an accident!"

    Kenny responds with "Bullshit!"

    Jane responds with "I won't back down from you, Kenny!"

    If you plead to let Jane explain, Kenny responds with "I'm done talking."

    Jane than tell Clem to "stay back".

    They stare down each other, before Jane sheathes her knife and says "Don't you you come near me, you son of a bitch." After which Kenny attacks first FOR A SECOND TIME, pinning her against the door. Jane punches to keep her down, and Kenny/Clem knocks her off. Kenny then tries to dive on her, but Jane slices his stomach. Kenny backs out of the building, and Jane follows. She then tells Kenny to "Just go!", to which he responds "I'm not going nowhere."

    Clem can ask for them to sit down and talk, but he responds "Word's ain't gonna fix this!" At this point it's obvious as fuck that Kenny wants this fight, as much as Jane wanted him to prove her right about him, and despite all the chances to NOT escalate the situation he STILL wants to fight her. Jane swipes at him, but this time he counters and throws her thru a rusty sign after which he says I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU!.

    Here you go for evidence: And no, this isn't my video.

    Kenny started the fight TWICE and wanted to kill her, just as much as Jane wanted him to prove her right. Just look at his actions, and his responses to Clem's dialogue.

    Majda posted: »

    Plus she abused him verbally in the car, who wouldn't be pissed of if his dead family is being mentioned in such wrong way.

  • Sorry, but that's not how it happened

    To Belan: As far as Kenny knew, she accidentally lost AJ in the walker infested blizzard. When he attacked her, that's all he knew/could go on, and with that info he attacked her. Yes, WE knew what she did, but HE didn't; if she was telling truth, no one would even bring up the manipulation as part of the "provocation". She then defended herself with her knife, because she thought he would kill her.

    this is how it starts:

    Kenny comes back in, after trying to search for AJ, and says "How could you kill a fucking child?!" WHILE TAKING A SWING! He doesn't even want to have a conversation about how anything happened.

    Jane dodges, and brings up her knife while backing up. "I didn't kill him! It was an accident!"

    Kenny responds with "Bullshit!"

    Jane responds with "I won't back down from you, Kenny!"

    If you plead to let Jane explain, Kenny responds with "I'm done talking."

    Jane than tell Clem to "stay back".

    They stare down each other, before Jane sheathes her knife and says "Don't you you come near me, you son of a bitch." After which Kenny attacks first FOR A SECOND TIME, pinning her against the door. Jane punches to keep her down, and Kenny/Clem knocks her off. Kenny then tries to dive on her, but Jane slices his stomach. Kenny backs out of the building, and Jane follows. She then tells Kenny to "Just go!", to which he responds "I'm not going nowhere."

    Clem can ask for them to sit down and talk, but he responds "Word's ain't gonna fix this!" At this point it's obvious as fuck that Kenny wants this fight, as much as Jane wanted him to prove her right about him, and despite all the chances to NOT escalate the situation he STILL wants to fight her. Jane swipes at him, but this time he counters and throws her thru a rusty sign after which he says I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU!.

    Here you go for evidence: And no, this isn't my video.

    Kenny started the fight TWICE and wanted to kill her, just as much as Jane wanted him to prove her right. Just look at his actions, and his responses to Clem's dialogue.

    Saltlick123 posted: »

    I would say in general it is wrong but it was Jane who started it cause she provoked him with he baby thing so in the end it all depends on your perspective but in my opinion I would say Yes.

  • Amen. Sadly, this guy is impossible.

    I am too tired of this shit, It's Mich that is causing trouble, on multiple threads too. Don't worry, I was trying to get him to stop fighting with people, you're not in the wrong or trouble here. Enjoy your opinions!

  • As far as Kenny knew, she accidentally lost AJ in the walker infested blizzard. When he attacked her, that's all he knew/could go on, and with that info he attacked her. Yes, WE knew what she did, but HE didn't; if she was telling truth, no one would even bring up the manipulation as part of the "provocation". She then defended herself with her knife, because she thought he would kill her.

    this is how it starts:

    Kenny comes back in, after trying to search for AJ, and says "How could you kill a fucking child?!" WHILE TAKING A SWING! He doesn't even want to have a conversation about how anything happened.

    Jane dodges, and brings up her knife while backing up. "I didn't kill him! It was an accident!"

    Kenny responds with "Bullshit!"

    Jane responds with "I won't back down from you, Kenny!"

    If you plead to let Jane explain, Kenny responds with "I'm done talking."

    Jane than tell Clem to "stay back".

    They stare down each other, before Jane sheathes her knife and says "Don't you you come near me, you son of a bitch." After which Kenny attacks first FOR A SECOND TIME, pinning her against the door. Jane punches to keep her down, and Kenny/Clem knocks her off. Kenny then tries to dive on her, but Jane slices his stomach. Kenny backs out of the building, and Jane follows. She then tells Kenny to "Just go!", to which he responds "I'm not going nowhere."

    Clem can ask for them to sit down and talk, but he responds "Word's ain't gonna fix this!" At this point it's obvious as fuck that Kenny wants this fight, as much as Jane wanted him to prove her right about him, and despite all the chances to NOT escalate the situation he STILL wants to fight her. Jane swipes at him, but this time he counters and throws her thru a rusty sign after which he says I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU!.

    Here you go for evidence: And no, this isn't my video.

    Kenny started the fight TWICE and wanted to kill her, just as much as Jane wanted him to prove her right. Just look at his actions, and his responses to Clem's dialogue.

    Belan posted: »

    No it is not justifiable. Kenny came on to Jane first with the intention of killing her. You're only assuming that. Was he wrong to

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    Sorry, but that's not how it happened To Belan: As far as Kenny knew, she accidentally lost AJ in the walker infested blizzard. When h

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    Lahkesis posted: »

    Amen. Sadly, this guy is impossible.

  • I'm not "fighting" with anybody. It's called having a debate, and I'm not cursing people out while doing it. Just because we don't agree doesn't mean one is antagonizing the other.

    I am too tired of this shit, It's Mich that is causing trouble, on multiple threads too. Don't worry, I was trying to get him to stop fighting with people, you're not in the wrong or trouble here. Enjoy your opinions!

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    I'm not "fighting" with anybody. It's called having a debate, and I'm not cursing people out while doing it. Just because we don't agree doesn't mean one is antagonizing the other.

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    As I said it all depends on your PERSPECTIVE, it's not like Jane made things better, Jane also pushes Clem down or says no to when Clem suggests to talk, Kenny did attack her but Jane didn't stop also like when she slashed Kenny with her knife, she could have stopped it then but she ran towards him and said "This is all your fucking fault!"They both fucked up BIG TIME and it depends on your perspective but in my view, He had his reasons to kill Jane (AND CAN EVERYONE CUT THIS JANE/KENNY SHIT OUT!)

    EDIT: And did you seriously say "That's not how it happened?" Lots of your "proof" is stuff Kenny and Jane do, Also you literally are not open to hearing other people's opinions you just shoot them down like that, "Sorry, that's not how it happened" , talk about being Biased, That's pretty damn troll like, I don't know if you are new or if you're trying to start more Kenny/Jane shit but stop right now before you get banned.

    Sorry, but that's not how it happened To Belan: As far as Kenny knew, she accidentally lost AJ in the walker infested blizzard. When h

  • I can't pick all the dialogue options at once, and I just picked the first video after searching "Kenny jane fight" on youtube. Jane does say with different dialogue that she was gonna put him down, but she still doesn't start the fight, and Kenny initiates it twice.

    I'm not bias when I show the fucking video. Kenny ATTACKED before she could even explain, attacks a second time after the knife is sheathed, and then when/if Clem asks for them to sit and talk it out he says no.

    The fact that he even tries to beat her before she can explain what happened proves how hostile he was, and he was in the wrong to simply attack out of anger.

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    I can't pick all the dialogue options at once, and I just picked the first video after searching "Kenny jane fight" on youtube. Jane does sa

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    Please explain how I'm fighting anyone? A debate is usually when both sides try to prove their point by bring up evidence that supports their cause. The debate could be long, and can get aggressive, but as long as insults aren't thrown it's still civil. I tend to respond in great detail, so I have long post, but if you read them, I'm not insulting the other person by cursing them out. I also make sure to answer all the points they make.

    So tell me, how am I starting these "fights"? Yeah, I don't like to lose, so I keep coming back, but I'm not antagonizing anybody....unless you see me not agreeing with the guy I'm debating as fighting... A debate usually involves people from opposing sides.

    And stop calling me Zyke. I don't know who that is, and just because I'm supporting Jane, and you don't agree, doesn't make me this other guy. You're trying to brand me as this Zyke guy that you all shun, and try to get banned (based off the hate/hostile reaction he seems to get) and you say I'M antagonizing people?! Why don't I just call everyone who supports Kenny an alt?! Because there can't be multiple people with similar tastes, right?

  • Can you not read what I type?

    We have had these fights before, we are tired of them, they caused hate that lasted weeks. You are stirring that up again like lighting a fire that is dying. You just need to stop!

    We didn't try and get Zyke banned and we didn't shun him, he got himself banned. You are trying to start these fights with people who don't give a shit about them. You are almost a perfect replica of Zyke, now you don't know him but trust me the way your going...You're going to start getting more and more heated, making more and more turns betraying what you last said, you will start fights over things no body cares about just to start fights.

    NOW, for the LAST time, stop this shit!

    Please explain how I'm fighting anyone? A debate is usually when both sides try to prove their point by bring up evidence that supports thei

  • No she does stop and says "Just go!", after which Kenny says "I ain't going anywhere!".

    In my view (taking Jane/Kenny out relevance here), nobody should just attack out of anger. In real life, being angry, or tired, or frustrated, doesn't absolve one from just striking at people out of nowhere; that shit gets you in trouble, thrown in jail, or beat up. Attacking someone that attacked you first? Fine, it's self defense, and even then it shouldn't be taken to far unless appropriate.

    Saltlick123 posted: »

    As I said it all depends on your PERSPECTIVE, it's not like Jane made things better, Jane also pushes Clem down or says no to when Clem sugg

  • I know, But what i'm trying to say is that they are both at fault for the fight in general, Kenny initiated the physical fight but Jane was playing mind games with him causing him to do that, Jane clearly was trying to get rid of Kenny, And do you think Kenny was just going to leave Clem? And if you want to go no Kenny/Jane it depends on the reason for attacking out of anger like if I killed someone's family (again this is hypothetical and I did not Saltlick them) I'm pretty sure they would be pissed and try to get back at me, Kenny thought Jane killed AJ, And he thought it was on purpose because Jane did say a few times that she thought the baby was a liability, He had his reasons and Jane had her reasons for doing that shit even though they were both not thought out, but when you're attacking someone in anger you usually don't think because you're so pissed off, If you have the time replay it or just look at a play-through on You Tube, If you see it from both sides it's hard to call and depends on your point of view,neither are innocent but after you look at some stuff, you can decide on your own. If I were you I would just look at some more stuff.

    No she does stop and says "Just go!", after which Kenny says "I ain't going anywhere!". In my view (taking Jane/Kenny out relevance here)

  • I'm starting these "fights" with people that didn't give a shit about them? Even tho, I responded to a guy who responded to someone else talking about who started the fight?

    Also, on the redemption thread, you, who apparently doesn't care, responded to on the subject as well; answering each point I made, with what you thought was right as well. You're the one you started getting heated first, by comparing me to some dude who you don't like, and trying to make others think that I'm an alt. If the mods believe that shit, then I GET BANNED. I've yet to just curse out people, or troll them.

    Why should I stop, when others take their shots at Jane frequently, and more so than at Kenny? I'll continue to debate, whether, or not, it includes Kenny/Jane, and I'll continue to do so in detail, and with cursing people out, or trolling them. Stop trying to create a false image of me, saying I'm starting fights, when there's nothing derogatory about who I'm debating in my posts, or comparing to some guy who got his jimmies rustled just because people didn't agree with him.

    I like Jane, but I know that's she's not a good person, but I want to know why people consider her to be practically evil, while people seem to mostly overlook Kenny's cons. I don't need to curse, or troll, people to have a discussion or debate about it.

    Sorry, this isn't the answer you wanted.

    Can you not read what I type? We have had these fights before, we are tired of them, they caused hate that lasted weeks. You are stirring

  • NOW, for the LAST time, stop this shit!

    I'm starting these "fights" with people that didn't give a shit about them? Even tho, I responded to a guy who responded to someone else tal

  • We already have a megathread to discuss the Kenny/Jane debate to prevent arguments, and the posts here aren't civil enough to warrant merging the two threads nor to keep the thread open.

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