How I would have written S2

Clemenem

A House Divided:

Make Sarita the determinant character instead of Nick and have her be killed by Carver

In Harm's Way:

Reggie gets development

Scrap Jane

Sarita is killed by Carver in this episode (justifies brutal beating)

If you try to help Kenny you pass out and rest of beating isn't shown

Option to convince Alvin to get gun

Option to shoot Carver in the head or just have Kenny kill him

Instead of Sarita scenario choice between Nick and Mike (Like a Carley/Doug scenario)

Amid The Ruins:

Options to: Help Reggie guide Rebecca through the herd, Go with Nick (or Mike) and Luke to search for Sarah or go with Kenny and Bonnie. Depending on which one you choose you arrive first, second or last

If you save Sarah she lasts through the episode.

Kenny vs Luke for leadership story line

If you don't rob Arvo and choose to go a few days later a new scene changes and they bump into each other and the group suggests robbing them not Arvo.

No Going Back:

If Sarah is saved she is bitten by Arvo's sister.

Instead of Luke being shot in the leg Reggie is.

Upon finding the power station you have to put down Sarah

Reggie dies the way Luke did (Being given more development in episodes 3 4 and 5)

Nick (Or Mike), Bonnie (determinant) and Arvo rob the group

Option to shoot Nick (or Mike)

Luke vs Kenny: Kenny blames Luke for Cabin Survivors' death Luke finally loses it and starts the fight. If you shoot Kenny, Luke and Clem go to Howe's and Luke gets to take charge like he tried to at Carver's and if you don't he gets decapitated by his machete

ABigBadWolf

Instead of Sarita scenario choice between Nick and Mike

Easiest choice ever.
Also, I don´t think I could stand Reggie that long...:P

On a side note, I read your name as Cleminem again.

ABigBadWolf

Oh, he was funny, but his voice is exactly why I´d just get annoyed at him.

Clemenem

Meh his VA was annoying but character wise there was something more to him than the simple "Carver is a bad dude thing" maybe even the next Omid.

Poogers555

Insert Omid Ending Here

MichaelAngel0

I already did this (for "In Harm's Way") you fool! And in far more unnecessary detail, at that!!!

If this was the case, then it would work better if there were two episodes that focused on Howe's (or at least our time at Howe's is hella extended), and Clem's time with that group. I think to do this would require two hordes; the first one, while big, isn't significant enough to get thru the walls, but then, about a month later, another horde 3x as big comes along that forces evacuation. A metaphor (other than everyone dying) to show that nowhere is truly safe.

As someone above said, the turning point could be when Carver finds out about Luke, and the walkie-talkies, or it could be us/Clem who divulges about the plan to Carver beforehand; and when he asks why we/Clem, we could respond something along the lines of "To do so is suicide". We could do stuff like scouting missions with Carver, and a few 400 Days characters. Maybe Troy gets Jane out of the pen, and then that gives us a chance to create the bond between Clem and Jane over a period of a few missions; that would give credibility to why Jane would start caring so much about Clem's safety and opinion, when otherwise she wouldn't. Clem would likely be with Carver at all times, as his protege, learning how to better survive and fight from him. During that time he could open up about his past, which is likely tragic, and how he blames his "weakness" for allowing what happened to happen. He would also explain how it was his new found "strength" and leadership that has created the stability they now live in, and that to disrupt it would result in the destruction of all they've worked for and the deaths of everyone under his care. If we bring up Alvin and Walter, Carver says it's an "eye for an eye" thing; Alvin killed George (who could be discovered to have been Carver's best friend, or brother), so he was tortured and then killed, and that Kenny killed Johnny, so, in the moment, Walter's life was taken as compensation. When Reggie is brought up, he admits that that was a moment of frustration, of weakness; he doesn't apologize, because that doesn't change what has already happened, and that one can't wallow in the past (even tho that would be hypocritical, as we find out that he still remembers what happened to his family, how he feel it's still his fault, how he keeps him up at night, and how it drives him to remain "strong" and to make sure his "family" in Rebecca, and what he thinks is his child, alive and safe at his side). That, and his actions, could paint Carver as a very harsh/cruel, and strict, leader, but one who does put stock in the lives of those in his care.

It's been about a month, and supplies are running low, and the bigger horde is coming....so Carver is contemplating "thinning out the herd", but he's only confided this to Troy, Tavia, and later you/Clem during a teaching session; only the most useful, and those he trusts, being allowed to come with him/live. During our stay, we/Clem have the option to get/gotten close to Jane, Becca, Shel, Russell, Bonnie and/or Vincent (I give no fucks about Wyatt). Bonnie, Shel and Russell have gotten more, and more, wary of Carver, while Vincent and Becca have grown to agree with Carver's methods, and Jane doesn't so much care, but as long as she has food and shelter, she gives no fucks. However, she later brings up the matter again, but says that she trusts Clem over everyone else, and she's down with whatever she wants. When presented by a way out by Bonnie, and Shel (via the much bigger, 2nd horde), you have the option of helping them out, staying out of it, or trying to alert Carver. If you decide to help out, you/Clem uses her assignment of keeping watch to sneak into Carver's office from the roof. If you stay out of it, Clem goes about her watch, while Shel tries to sneak in from inside the building, however, because of how she snuck in she's noticed by Carver who kills her (bullet to the head) after she manages to turn on the PA system. If you try to alert Carver, Bonnie knocks you out after a short struggle, and Shel still dies the same; you awake to the situation that occurs after the PA system is activated.

If the latter two decisions were made, you come to a scene where all of the non-Carver trustees are lined up, with their hand tied, and Carver appears before everyone with Shel's corpse, which surprises the fuck outta Becca, who cries at her sister's corpse. Carver explains that it was him that killed Shel for her betrayal, but not before she told him about her conspirators. He then goes on to explain how disappointed and angry he is that they decided to betray him, and how it was him, and his crew, that gifted them food, protection and shelter. He turns to kneels before Carlos and Luke: "I could've killed you all, your previous betrayal cost the life of one of my most trusted men, and put my child's life at risk, but I didn't. Instead, I allowed you back into the fold. Gave you protection, food, and shelter. Yes, I made you work, but who protected you as you slept? Me, and my men, did. Who did regular scouting missions to keep perimeter safe from attackers, and walkers? We did. Who provided a constant supply of water for you? We did. And this...this is how you repay me?"

Carver kneels before Kenny, who is seething: Kenneth, Kenneth...are you snarling at me? grabs Kenny's throat I could've killed you as well. I don't even know you, and your woman. Kenny screams that he killed Walter, in anger And you killed Johnny, after I asked you to surrender. You're lucky I'm not as cruel as you like to think I am. After your failed "escape attempt" I could've given Sarita over here to my men, to teach you a lesson in respect; something you clearly lack. Kenny spits in Carver's face, and smirks, before having his nose smashed via a knee to the face You're like a wild dog, Kenneth, but at least a wild dog knows when he's outmatched."

Wyatt (still a member of the pen) panics and screams out about the horde that's coming closer, and closer. Carver gives him a glance, before before motioning to a few others to start backing the delivery trucks (there's two) with supplies, another group (minus Tavia, Vincent, and Jane) to the roof to stand watch, and Troy to Wyatt's position. Carver then explains his plan to abandon the department store, in light of the giant horde approaching. Sarita then expresses how the two trucks can't possibly fit them all. Carver smirks, before signalling Troy...who then shots Wyatt in the head, to her shock. Carver says that before he held some regret over what he was going to do, but their betrayal now made the job much, much easier. He then motions Troy to execute a few more no names (random NPCs gathered during the month-long period) down the line. Some of Carver's own men (the newest bunch to Carver's crew) start to protest, but he suddenly shoots them all; claiming that he wasn't planning on bringing them anyway. You notice that Vincent and Jane have gradually become more, and more worried about the situation, and that Carver suddenly shooting 3 of his men just got them mentally questioning whether, or not, they were next. Now the only ones left, besides those tied and lined up, are Carver, Troy, Tavia, Vincent, Jane, Rebecca, Becca and Clem. Now it's Sarita's turn. Kenny screams hell at Carver and Troy, and screams at us/Clem too; asking how she could let Carver do this to them. Now there's a choice, you can choose to try to stop Troy (only to have Tavia stop you, and Carver tells her to keep you from doing anything (he clearly now has a soft spot for us/Clem, or he'd he have her lined up like Sarah)) or choose to do nothing (which causes Carver at Clem with admiration, "Unlike you Kenneth, she's intelligent and understands the situation, and why this must be done. She doesn't stink of weakness, and incompetence, like the rest of you lot here", which causes Kenny to curse out Carver AND Clem). Before Troy can shoot the Sarita, Carver is shot in the shoulder by grief stricken, and enraged, Becca (who seemed to have been forgotten); "Take that you fucker!!!". If you went along with the plan, you've been hiding and watching from the above shipping containers the whole time, just barely making it down before Troy can shoot Sarita, and Clem shoots Carver in the shoulder (also, Shel doesn't die). Vincent and Jane take that chance to start shooting at Tavia and Troy, who both take cover. You now have the choice to either go to help Carver or got cut free the others. If you go try to help Carver, Becca tackles you to the ground, if not Becca helps you the others free. Walkers start to get into the store. Chaos breaks lose; you also hear gunfire from those on the roof. If you tried to help Carver, Becca tells you that you need to help her free the others to help take care of the walkers that got in. After you free Kenny, he rushes at Carver, and a fight ensues. Carver is beating the shit out of Kenny, and you can either watch or shoot Carver in the side; if you don't shoot Becca does. The walkers that got in are taken care of (tho the last of the no-name NPCs got killed), and Vincent and Jane managed to kill Troy and Tavia.

Kenny is now standing over Carver, who is now defeated and bleeding out on the ground. Sarita and Carlos begin to panic over how they're meant to escape the horde, as the crowd is too big to drive thru. Jane contemplates for a few seconds before telling them how to do it, but to hurry. Kenny goes for a fallen crowbar, as Sarita calls to him, but he tells her to go on ahead. If you tried to help her out, or went along with the plan, Sarita attempts to usher Clem away, but if you did neither, she merely shakes her head disappointed at Clem. Either way, you can stay and watch Kenny beat Carver to death with Becca and Rebecca. If you were at his side the whole time, Carver tells Clem to become stronger than he was and survive. If you attempted to stop Troy, he tells Clem not to let them drag her down. If you were part of the plan, Carver muses that he was still weak; so weak that he allowed himself to look for a new child, family and protege, in Clem and blinded himself to what she really was, but admits that she is stronger than him, and the weak become sustenance to the strong (sustenance meaning everything he taught her, and that he let her into the fold).

Afterwards, everyone escapes from the store...tho Carlos still dies, the shit with Sarita still happens and Jane still saves you and Rebecca (which now makes sense). However, since you were part of Carver's crew, nobody but Vincent and Jane trusts Clem; you gotta work to get back on people's good side (the Sarita stuff makes your relationship with Kenny REALLY bad). If you never betrayed the group a month ago, then it plays out like it does now (in real life).

Clemenem

No no no. Bringing Jane into the game and the sudden Luke character change almost ruined S2 for me. Carver was never planned to be a huge character so more time at Howe's wouldn't happen and why Vince? You know 400 Days was irrelevant to S2 right?

MichaelAngel0

Um...you do know this thread is a "How I would've written this" thread, right? I mean, you made it. I'm just putting how I would write "In Harm's Way", so that certain characters that were significant, or at least supposed to be significant, get screen time and development in comparison to what we actually got.

Why should I care about the one-armed dude, who clearly can't defend himself? Besides his death, of a defenseless, and scared, one-armed man, only exemplifies Carver's intolerance for those too weak, and/or those who aren't useful.

Jane, Becca, Vincent and Russell all offer far more interesting character moments than Reggie; especially Jane. In Luke's case, in never mentioned Luke, but he'd also have more detail to his character; I just wrote up a direction a part of the story would go if I wrote it. I could easily write up 50+ pages (no double spacing and 10 font XD), at least, of content of what I described, if I went into detail.

MichaelAngel0

I'd also do the Kenny vs Luke not just for leadership, but also for who's best suited to take care of AJ: Luke because he was close to his parents, and Kenny for some desperate drive to replace Duck (and Katjaa) with AJ, as well as not trusting Luke to be able to lead. Jane would still be around to try and save Clem (and/or Becca) from this obviously fracturing group.

InfiniteDawn

Scrap Jane

InfiniteDawn

I don't think Nick would leave the group, knowing that Luke will be there with them.

Mich19

fandoms script..

Clemenem

Well maybe Arvo's treatment revolted him so much he just left.

CrazyGeorge

I would of wrote it, that they stayed at Carver's camp until the very end where the final choice is either Carver or Kenny. I would rewrite Carver's character making him more likeable. A lot less people would have died, and would already have a cast of characters established for S3.

Nick, Sarah, Carlos, Rebecca, baby, Kenny, Mike, Bonnie, etc Killing them all off is so stupid to me. Why do they keep doing this is beyond me.

JMOREL

If I had written the season 2, Sarah could stay alive to the end, Luke could not die but disappear in the snow fog leaving is fate unknown and Nick could have a hero death in dying for saving sarah.

DisruptivePilot

Scrap Jane

I can get behind that.

InfiniteDawn

I doubt that.

JustinCage

Here goes nothing...Cracks fingers

• Instead of a timeskip, there would be brief scenes of Clem growing up with a more hardened Christa.

• Sam would have found Clem's hat when she fell in to the water. (as originally planned)

• Keeping Pete's watch will add to the story.

• Clem and Sarah would have a more stronger bond.

• 400 Days characters will add more to the story.

• Carver will be WAYYYY more grayer (not some Saturday Morning cartoon villain)

• Having the option to fully side with Carver.

• Howes would be either a cold, but sensible community, or a full legit slave camp. (I mean it. Slavery in during a post apocalypse is somewhat likely.)

• Sarita would be develop.

• Less screen time for Kenny, so that other my develop .

• Watching Kenny kill Carver will cause a larger detachment and distrust from the group.

• Jane wouldn't bring up her sister.

• Kenny not being right about every fucking thing!

• NICK SURVIVES!1!1!!

• Sarah survives, but slowly bleeds to death after the gun fight with a tearful goodbye. :' (

• Instead of Luke drowning, you have to chose who to save, Mike or Bonnie.

• If you save Mike, he and Avro will still steal from the group. If you saved Bonnie however, only Avro tries to steal from the group. This causing a series of dialogues between Clem and Avro, as she tries to explain what happen to his sister. He slowly begins to understand what happend but then panics when he see Kenny bushing open the door and then shots Clem accidental . (Or something like that I can't really think right now : / )

• The Kenny V Jane thing still happens but, Luke and Clem act as mediators.

• The "Lone Wolf ending" will be eradicated from the face of the Earth. U_U

deleted_l788l2ve1438629

If she was introduced earlier and not a mess of a character I'd say keep her.

InfiniteDawn

That's like saying "If Jane was completely different, I'd keep her"

yeah

same

MichaelAngel0

Nice, tho I'd still have Jane bring up her sister; it opens up, and gives credence, to Jane's character development in regards to Clem.

What'd you think of my version of In Harm's Way (aka my essay)?

JustinCage

I'll be honest with you, it needs a bit more polishing. Carver slowly warming up to Clem so much so he would talk about his family just seems to add a odd scene empathy that seems off to me. But that truck scene is ABSOLUTELY fucked up! (In a good way). All in all it needs improvement, but your are on the right track man. Keep it up!

TeamKennyW00T

If I had written season 2, in the alone with AJ ending, Clem would have been walking down a river and sees a cabin, goes into the cabin and is shocked to find Christa sitting there. They go through a little bit of a talk, then there is a choice between telling her about the journey, or not looking into the past and focusing on the now. Christa sees AJ and they have a chance to start over again.

colgato

My version:

• no Jane, at all. scumbag character forced into the mix to get luke out of the picture.
• with the above, this makes it luke vs kenny or no fight at all depending if Luke survives the lake or not
• Nick can be around all 5 episodes (determinant) and actually plays a major role after episode 2
• Sarah always is around all 5 episodes and determinantly dies in episode 5
• Sarita isnt in the game at all and it was walter and matthew who found Kenny and helped him back into sanity
• Alvin is the one always shot in episode 2 and walter is the determinant one
• Arvo can actually like or dislike clem depending on player actions
• Carver remains the main antagonist until the end of episode 4
• Carlos lasts at least another half an episodes worth of time before sarah gets her snapping moment
• Theres another ending that happens if you want to go with mike, bonnie, and arvo (if arvo likes clem)

colgato

yeah.....also he would probably stick with Luke since in your version Luke survives the lake

BeerSoakedBear

I agree, I just couldn't see Nick leaving Luke.

MichaelAngel0

I think you got Kenny and Jane mixed up; Kenny was the one that was forced in, and took Luke's role.

I'm not hating on him either; a lot people think this, and it's obvious.

colgato

doesnt make Jane less of a hatable character even if Kenny was who took lukes role =P If Kenny was written out Jane would have to be too. Luke wouldnt have triggered a fight making the ending less "choice-worthy" and Jane wouldnt either cause she somehow got feelings for him and decided to fuck him in the 2 days she knew him. The game is all about choices in the end afterall

MichaelAngel0

I don't understand how you think Jane was hate-able, yet you like Kenny...even tho he was the only party character that was a detriment (other than Sarah). Both Jane and Kenny offered great insight on how personal lost can change a person; I liked them both.

colgato

Well i feel like the way Jane turned out was much different then how Kenny did. i dont think Kenny would have manipulated clem into a situation like Jane did in the end. Im not saying kenny is flawless he's anything but that. I just don't like Janes overall personality and how shes just like "oh, lookz like your friend didnt make it doiiii" or how she just offers herself to luke out of the blue when they had a job or pretty much anything she did or said

MichaelAngel0

Um...you forget that Jane is very lonely, she completed her task while Luke got ...distracted from his lol. Also, Kenny doesn't think enough to manipulate anybody, but his lack of thinking, and his anger, makes him a threat to Clem and AJ's survival. Jane, while she is cold towards all non-Clem characters, is more helpful and reasonable than Kenny.

Clemenem

Kenny vs. Jane was awful and the worst thing since episode 2 it just felt so rushed.

JustinCage

I liked it...

At least it made more scene than Luke V Kenny. I couldn't see Luke voluntary wanting to fighting Kenny. Although the build up was there, I just couldn't see. : /

Better yet, why does there have to be a end game fight anyway? Both Jane V Kenny and Luke V Kenny aren't really need.

colgato

But wouldnt you rather have someone whos truthful then someone whos manipulative?

also sorry for my late response, thanksgiving happened and went

MichaelAngel0

No prob.

Yeah, someone that manipulative can prove to be a problem, but I know that person won't inevitably kill me in a blind rage.

colgato

true, i dunno, i just dont like being lied too, and kenny obv doesnt seem like a liar (though he seems to forget he does things he gets mad at others for doing)

Clemenem

The build up was just one scene. Its a character we've known for 2 Seasons vs A character who got her first shred of development in the second to last episode. It felt so rushed and I felt forced into it ...

JustinCage

That's kinda like how life is sometimes. We'er forced in to situations we don't want nothing to do with, and we have no say in the matter. But I can see someone not liking it though.