No he lost an eye because he stupid enough to call a man, cruel enough to push a handicapped man off a building, a fucker to his face...righ… moret after being found out to be conspiring to escape from said man's holding cell.
Sorry, but that's stupid. He's lucky Carver didn't cap when had him down.
He might of hit him some, but not that bad. Remember, Carver wants able bodies; not the handicapped.
Kenny disrespecting him out in the open set him off, and it's obvious from the expression of smug superiority to his "Oh, hell the fuck no! Mothafucka, you gonna say that to me!? In front of my men?! Oh you done done it now!" face. Jane wasn't the only one to "poke the bear" this season.
No he lost an eye because he stupid enough to call a man, cruel enough to push a handicapped man off a building, a fucker to his face
… more Wrong, after the walkie talkie landed on Carver's hand he counted "Three". He was going to beat Kenny anyways.
I saw that scene the same way Clem_is_awesome did. I didn't think Kenny saying "fucker" had anything to do with the severity of the beating he got. Rather he said it because he realized it was coming.
He might of hit him some, but not that bad. Remember, Carver wants able bodies; not the handicapped.
Kenny disrespecting him out in the o… morepen set him off, and it's obvious from the expression of smug superiority to his "Oh, hell the fuck no! Mothafucka, you gonna say that to me!? In front of my men?! Oh you done done it now!" face. Jane wasn't the only one to "poke the bear" this season.
No he's not racist, he just say things that he probably heard in his home state Florida.But for Arvo, he was just so angry at him that he decided to yelled at him with all mean possible.
I don't see why would you assume that? Sarita was sort of black-ish, he was pissed at the Russian guy, he came with Lee to save Clem without a doubt ( in my game) . Clementine is also black so i don't see how could he be a racist.
Racism isn't limited to just refusing to give people lifts and stuff.
Do you not think there are multiple levels of it? Do you think if someone, for example, said 'black people are less friendly' that wouldn't count as racism?
Kenny makes a generalisation based on Lee's race. That is part of what racism is.
Was that before or after he offered Lee a lift off the farm? Do you think a racist would do that? What about protecting AJ? Would a racis… moret want to risk his life to protect a child that was half black? What about when Lee was knocked out, and Kenny helped him up when they were escaping the pharmacy? Yeah a really obviously racist. When he's not wearing his hat, he has on his white hood.
If Kenny truly was a racist, than do you think he would''ve cared for Clementine like he did?
Or fell in love with Sarita?
And if you'll remember, Kenny did apologise for offending Lee, showing that he meant no harm by his ill-thought-out comment.
Someone who is truly a racist, would not have done any of these things.
He's jokingly racist, I guess? He makes racist jokes and stereotypes, but doesn't actually mean to offend the race, as I'm sure many of us do IRL. Kenny didn't hate Arvo because he was Russian, he hated him because of the stuff he did. Calling him 'commie piece of shit' was just to add insult to injury.
I mean it's already been disproved throughout the thread, but Kenny is definitely not a racist. He was married to Katjaa(Belgian), friends/Bro's with Lee(Black), and was with Sarita(Indian) for quite some time. He forms a familial relationship with Clem and AJ, who are Black and Biracial(I consider Clem to be mixed though). One offhanded comment to Lee doesn't make you a racist. His treatment/interactions of/with Arvo is/are boiled down to Kenny ultimately blaming Arvo for the ambush of their group and the death of Luke. He was saying anything and everything to make it blatantly clear that he hates Arvo's guts. He doesn't hate Arvo because he's Russian, he hates him because of what he did, and was a party to. Labels like Racist shouldn't be thrown around so quickly and thoughtlessly.
I mean it's already been disproved throughout the thread, but Kenny is definitely not a racist. He was married to Katjaa(Belgian), friends/B… morero's with Lee(Black), and was with Sarita(Indian) for quite some time. He forms a familial relationship with Clem and AJ, who are Black and Biracial(I consider Clem to be mixed though). One offhanded comment to Lee doesn't make you a racist. His treatment/interactions of/with Arvo is/are boiled down to Kenny ultimately blaming Arvo for the ambush of their group and the death of Luke. He was saying anything and everything to make it blatantly clear that he hates Arvo's guts. He doesn't hate Arvo because he's Russian, he hates him because of what he did, and was a party to. Labels like Racist shouldn't be thrown around so quickly and thoughtlessly.
Even if Clem asks to go with Mike, Arvo and Bonnie, and hands her gun over to Mike, Arvo still shoots her, so him doing it because he was afraid of Kenny doesn't hold up. Isn't a gunshot going to attract Kenny as much as, if not more than, Clem shouting?
Arvo never did anything to our group, it was his sister, and those other two, that were adamant on stealing from you. When he shot Clem, it … morewas out of fear of her calling the abusive redneck that's been beating on him for no reason back to beat him some more. Why would he not shoot, or want to stay in that situation?
Also, he was a drug addict...yet showed no signs of withdrawal, after two days without his fix? Everybody needs meds in an environment where medical supplies are scarce, like a ZA. You get a wound, but need to keep moving despite the pain? That's what the Oxycontin is for.
Jeez, try to look at this from his, or an outsider's, perspective. It's not always black and white in a ZA, and, in an un-bias POV, anybody should see how Kenny's actions were completely unnecessary.
The writers wanted to make Arvo seem like an ungrateful jackass by making him shoot Clem no matter what, and it succeeded - virtually everyone hates him for 'hurting' Clem, even though she really doesn't suffer any ill effects from GETTING SHOT aside from being knocked unconscious for a while.
Even if Clem asks to go with Mike, Arvo and Bonnie, and hands her gun over to Mike, Arvo still shoots her, so him doing it because he was af… moreraid of Kenny doesn't hold up. Isn't a gunshot going to attract Kenny as much as, if not more than, Clem shouting?
Kenny is just about as racist as anyone else in the series, he's just more vocal about what makes him mad obviously.
Katjaa, a Belgian wo… moreman whom he married, never said anything rude/insensitive about her.
Lee an African American, a black man, and depending on OUR choices, Kenny will stay with us till the end and call us his best friend and say we are his only family. In the same group was Christa, a African American whom Kenny never said anything about. Kenny saying 'urban' was not insensitive. It's what Kenny was insinuating was insensitive. And we've all been guilty of assuming things about other groups or people of ethnicity.
Clem = AFRICAN AMERICAN / AJ = AFRICAN AMERICAN = Kenny was more than willing to treat them both like his own children. He even offers to sacrifice his own well being for them in the Wellington ending.
Sarita = Indian woman, he loved her.
Arvo = I won't defend all the things Kenny said about Arvo, but … [view original content]
Jesus Christ, you guys are willing to shift blame onto other people even if it makes absolutely no sense. First Sarah's responsible for murdering Carlos - by shooting him in the throat and then eating him alive - and now Luke's responsible for beating Kenneth's thick fuckin' skull in?
That's why he calls a skinny disabled kid a "fuckin' Commie" and treats him like he's a horrific monster. It's pretty pathetic how we're meant to forgive him for being such a cowardly bully.
But I guess this thread reveals that we're all jackasses at heart.
K. If that's what you believe, then that's what you believe. But in the end, it's all objective opinions. Everyone is going to interpret it differently, but I'm fucking done.
I'm so done with 'discussing' the whole Kenny is Satan crap.
Arvo did nothing, it was Buricko.
That's why he calls a skinny disabled kid a "fuckin' Commie" and treats him like he's a horrific monste… morer. It's pretty pathetic how we're meant to forgive him for being such a cowardly bully.
But I guess this thread reveals that we're all jackasses at heart.
Actually, in their Russian dialogs, Natasha and Vitali were both hesitant to rob them, both wanting Arvo to solve this peacefully. However, Vitali will threaten our group, but he's still hesitant.
Arvo never did anything to our group, it was his sister, and those other two, that were adamant on stealing from you. When he shot Clem, it … morewas out of fear of her calling the abusive redneck that's been beating on him for no reason back to beat him some more. Why would he not shoot, or want to stay in that situation?
Also, he was a drug addict...yet showed no signs of withdrawal, after two days without his fix? Everybody needs meds in an environment where medical supplies are scarce, like a ZA. You get a wound, but need to keep moving despite the pain? That's what the Oxycontin is for.
Jeez, try to look at this from his, or an outsider's, perspective. It's not always black and white in a ZA, and, in an un-bias POV, anybody should see how Kenny's actions were completely unnecessary.
Of course it succeeded in making people hate him, he shot an 11 year old. Even if she doesn't suffer many ill effects in the game, is it really unreasonable for people to hate Arvo for attempting to kill her? Like it or not, the people who see him as an ungrateful jackass have a point.
Two words: Bad writing.
The writers wanted to make Arvo seem like an ungrateful jackass by making him shoot Clem no matter what, and it s… moreucceeded - virtually everyone hates him for 'hurting' Clem, even though she really doesn't suffer any ill effects from GETTING SHOT aside from being knocked unconscious for a while.
I wouldn't say he's an outright racist to go chant "white power" or talk about minorities causing a white genocide but he'll be ignorant enough to use racial slurs to hurt people he hates to find a quick easy way to degrade and insult them like he does with Arvo. Other than that he's tolerant of non whites, his love intrests were both foreign and he seemed sensitive and offended when Troy reffered to Sarita as Indian lady. So other than that he's just more ignorant and insensitive rather than flat out racist in my opinion.
I think everyone is a little prejudice to something in their life, it could be a food, place, a idea. It doesn't have to be about people. So yeah i think Kenny is racist, doesn't matter though. I still like him regardless, from a Italian American pov.
Wait, I missed that part with Troy; but Sarita is Indian? and juding from her accent, Indian by birth? Also, "other than that he's tolerant of non-whites" - aren't Russians white? Though I guess there are White Russians, Black Russians, and Red Russians...
Also, random question, you're sn is Jaesong - Are you Korean?
I wouldn't say he's an outright racist to go chant "white power" or talk about minorities causing a white genocide but he'll be ignorant eno… moreugh to use racial slurs to hurt people he hates to find a quick easy way to degrade and insult them like he does with Arvo. Other than that he's tolerant of non whites, his love intrests were both foreign and he seemed sensitive and offended when Troy reffered to Sarita as Indian lady. So other than that he's just more ignorant and insensitive rather than flat out racist in my opinion.
Wait, I missed that part with Troy; but Sarita is Indian? and juding from her accent, Indian by birth? Also, "other than that he's tolerant … moreof non-whites" - aren't Russians white? Though I guess there are White Russians, Black Russians, and Red Russians...
Also, random question, you're sn is Jaesong - Are you Korean?
That's because Arvo and his crew, had tried to rob them, and were willing to kill them if necessary.
In fact, Arvo would've probably had his men kill the group anyway, so there would be no witnesses.
Arvo showed he was ruthless, as after Clementine fell through the lake, the look on Arvo's face was a look of: "To bad you're still alive."
And Arvo further showed just how rutheless he was, when he shot Clementine.
Kenny was right to be suspicious of Arvo.
And his suspicions were proved right.
The answer is yes. Even though he had a wife from Belgium, and got angry when Troy calls Sarita 'Indian Lady', he still manages to be racist to both Lee and Arvo.
K. If that's what you believe, then that's what you believe. But in the end, it's all objective opinions. Everyone is going to interpret it differently, but I'm fucking done.
I'm so done with 'discussing' the whole Kenny is Satan crap.
Why is it so important to believe a character isn't racist? It's perfectly fine for characters to have flaws like that. The Dixons from the show started off as racists, with Daryl gradually growing out of it as time went on.
Having racial prejudice is often borne out of ignorance, which in itself does not make someone a bad person. Almost everybody, subconsciously or otherwise, has some sort of racial prejudice - but it's not worth being defensive and taking it as a personal attack on your worth if your views are pointed out as racially biased.
So, Kenny's racial views reflect a lot of people on this board - he doesn't consciously believe he's biased, but it definitely comes out when he's not aware. It initially appears through innocent misunderstandings with Lee, but reaches a monstrous climax when he, suffering from brain-damaged, encounters the Russians. He's racist, and I definitely think his abuse of a helpless kid is absolutely inexcusable and disgusting - but his bigotry shouldn't be excused or denied as something else.
I only fear what would've happened if "Arvo" had been replaced with "Miguel" and Kenny started yelling racial slurs about Mexicans...
That's because Arvo and his crew, had tried to rob them, and were willing to kill them if necessary.
In fact, Arvo would've probably had hi… mores men kill the group anyway, so there would be no witnesses.
Arvo showed he was ruthless, as after Clementine fell through the lake, the look on Arvo's face was a look of: "To bad you're still alive."
And Arvo further showed just how rutheless he was, when he shot Clementine.
Kenny was right to be suspicious of Arvo.
And his suspicions were proved right.
Let me just ask:
Why is it so important to believe a character isn't racist? It's perfectly fine for characters to have flaws like that.… more The Dixons from the show started off as racists, with Daryl gradually growing out of it as time went on.
Having racial prejudice is often borne out of ignorance, which in itself does not make someone a bad person. Almost everybody, subconsciously or otherwise, has some sort of racial prejudice - but it's not worth being defensive and taking it as a personal attack on your worth if your views are pointed out as racially biased.
So, Kenny's racial views reflect a lot of people on this board - he doesn't consciously believe he's biased, but it definitely comes out when he's not aware. It initially appears through innocent misunderstandings with Lee, but reaches a monstrous climax when he, suffering from brain-damaged, encounters the Russians. He's racist, and I definitely think his abuse of a help… [view original content]
I saw that scene the same way Clem_is_awesome did. I didn't think Kenny saying "fucker" had anything to do with the severity of the beating he got. Rather he said it because he realized it was coming.
Kinda. I mean, he does an awful lot of stereotyping. I'm seeing a lot of comments saying, how because he was "friends" with Lee and had an Indian girlfriend, he's exempt from being racist at all and that's not exactly how it works.
Let me just ask:
Why is it so important to believe a character isn't racist? It's perfectly fine for characters to have flaws like that.… more The Dixons from the show started off as racists, with Daryl gradually growing out of it as time went on.
Having racial prejudice is often borne out of ignorance, which in itself does not make someone a bad person. Almost everybody, subconsciously or otherwise, has some sort of racial prejudice - but it's not worth being defensive and taking it as a personal attack on your worth if your views are pointed out as racially biased.
So, Kenny's racial views reflect a lot of people on this board - he doesn't consciously believe he's biased, but it definitely comes out when he's not aware. It initially appears through innocent misunderstandings with Lee, but reaches a monstrous climax when he, suffering from brain-damaged, encounters the Russians. He's racist, and I definitely think his abuse of a help… [view original content]
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Wrong, after the walkie talkie landed on Carver's hand he counted "Three". He was going to beat Kenny anyways.
He might of hit him some, but not that bad. Remember, Carver wants able bodies; not the handicapped.
Kenny disrespecting him out in the open set him off, and it's obvious from the expression of smug superiority to his "Oh, hell the fuck no! Mothafucka, you gonna say that to me!? In front of my men?! Oh you done done it now!" face. Jane wasn't the only one to "poke the bear" this season.
I saw that scene the same way Clem_is_awesome did. I didn't think Kenny saying "fucker" had anything to do with the severity of the beating he got. Rather he said it because he realized it was coming.
Sorry, how does repeating racist views not make you racist?
...racism isn't just limited to dating people or whatever.
He thinks lee should be better at picking locks because he is black: that is racial prejudice: that is racism.
Racism isn't limited to just refusing to give people lifts and stuff.
Do you not think there are multiple levels of it? Do you think if someone, for example, said 'black people are less friendly' that wouldn't count as racism?
Kenny makes a generalisation based on Lee's race. That is part of what racism is.
If Kenny truly was a racist, than do you think he would''ve cared for Clementine like he did?
Or fell in love with Sarita?
And if you'll remember, Kenny did apologise for offending Lee, showing that he meant no harm by his ill-thought-out comment.
Someone who is truly a racist, would not have done any of these things.
He's jokingly racist, I guess? He makes racist jokes and stereotypes, but doesn't actually mean to offend the race, as I'm sure many of us do IRL. Kenny didn't hate Arvo because he was Russian, he hated him because of the stuff he did. Calling him 'commie piece of shit' was just to add insult to injury.
No, not really. He was mean toward Arvo because of the language barrier and the fact they were in a deadly shootout with his group not long before.
He really hated Arvo though.
I mean it's already been disproved throughout the thread, but Kenny is definitely not a racist. He was married to Katjaa(Belgian), friends/Bro's with Lee(Black), and was with Sarita(Indian) for quite some time. He forms a familial relationship with Clem and AJ, who are Black and Biracial(I consider Clem to be mixed though). One offhanded comment to Lee doesn't make you a racist. His treatment/interactions of/with Arvo is/are boiled down to Kenny ultimately blaming Arvo for the ambush of their group and the death of Luke. He was saying anything and everything to make it blatantly clear that he hates Arvo's guts. He doesn't hate Arvo because he's Russian, he hates him because of what he did, and was a party to. Labels like Racist shouldn't be thrown around so quickly and thoughtlessly.
EXACTLY
Hollaaaayyyyyyyyy!!!~:D
(I swear, I can't not greet you like this lol)
no
How is that racist? All it is is Kenny not understanding big words.
Even if Clem asks to go with Mike, Arvo and Bonnie, and hands her gun over to Mike, Arvo still shoots her, so him doing it because he was afraid of Kenny doesn't hold up. Isn't a gunshot going to attract Kenny as much as, if not more than, Clem shouting?
Two words: Bad writing.
The writers wanted to make Arvo seem like an ungrateful jackass by making him shoot Clem no matter what, and it succeeded - virtually everyone hates him for 'hurting' Clem, even though she really doesn't suffer any ill effects from GETTING SHOT aside from being knocked unconscious for a while.
This got me laughing, this is why you're one of my favorite users Hollay.
He lost an eye thanks to a monster.
Jesus Christ, you guys are willing to shift blame onto other people even if it makes absolutely no sense. First Sarah's responsible for murdering Carlos - by shooting him in the throat and then eating him alive - and now Luke's responsible for beating Kenneth's thick fuckin' skull in?
Arvo did nothing, it was Buricko.
That's why he calls a skinny disabled kid a "fuckin' Commie" and treats him like he's a horrific monster. It's pretty pathetic how we're meant to forgive him for being such a cowardly bully.
But I guess this thread reveals that we're all jackasses at heart.
Just being myself, my friend.
K. If that's what you believe, then that's what you believe. But in the end, it's all objective opinions. Everyone is going to interpret it differently, but I'm fucking done.
I'm so done with 'discussing' the whole Kenny is Satan crap.
It's like my battle cry. XD
I am ......
Hollaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Actually, in their Russian dialogs, Natasha and Vitali were both hesitant to rob them, both wanting Arvo to solve this peacefully. However, Vitali will threaten our group, but he's still hesitant.
It's just so fitting.XD
Of course it succeeded in making people hate him, he shot an 11 year old. Even if she doesn't suffer many ill effects in the game, is it really unreasonable for people to hate Arvo for attempting to kill her? Like it or not, the people who see him as an ungrateful jackass have a point.
I wouldn't say he's an outright racist to go chant "white power" or talk about minorities causing a white genocide but he'll be ignorant enough to use racial slurs to hurt people he hates to find a quick easy way to degrade and insult them like he does with Arvo. Other than that he's tolerant of non whites, his love intrests were both foreign and he seemed sensitive and offended when Troy reffered to Sarita as Indian lady. So other than that he's just more ignorant and insensitive rather than flat out racist in my opinion.
I think everyone is a little prejudice to something in their life, it could be a food, place, a idea. It doesn't have to be about people. So yeah i think Kenny is racist, doesn't matter though. I still like him regardless, from a Italian American pov.
Wait, I missed that part with Troy; but Sarita is Indian? and juding from her accent, Indian by birth? Also, "other than that he's tolerant of non-whites" - aren't Russians white? Though I guess there are White Russians, Black Russians, and Red Russians...
Also, random question, you're sn is Jaesong - Are you Korean?
I thought Sarita was spanish the entire time.
My world is tumbling down.
That's because Arvo and his crew, had tried to rob them, and were willing to kill them if necessary.
In fact, Arvo would've probably had his men kill the group anyway, so there would be no witnesses.
Arvo showed he was ruthless, as after Clementine fell through the lake, the look on Arvo's face was a look of: "To bad you're still alive."
And Arvo further showed just how rutheless he was, when he shot Clementine.
Kenny was right to be suspicious of Arvo.
And his suspicions were proved right.
The answer is yes. Even though he had a wife from Belgium, and got angry when Troy calls Sarita 'Indian Lady', he still manages to be racist to both Lee and Arvo.
Me pointing out a character's flaws = Literally calling them Satan?
What is it with kids these days and their darn gifs?
Let me just ask:
Why is it so important to believe a character isn't racist? It's perfectly fine for characters to have flaws like that. The Dixons from the show started off as racists, with Daryl gradually growing out of it as time went on.
Having racial prejudice is often borne out of ignorance, which in itself does not make someone a bad person. Almost everybody, subconsciously or otherwise, has some sort of racial prejudice - but it's not worth being defensive and taking it as a personal attack on your worth if your views are pointed out as racially biased.
So, Kenny's racial views reflect a lot of people on this board - he doesn't consciously believe he's biased, but it definitely comes out when he's not aware. It initially appears through innocent misunderstandings with Lee, but reaches a monstrous climax when he, suffering from brain-damaged, encounters the Russians. He's racist, and I definitely think his abuse of a helpless kid is absolutely inexcusable and disgusting - but his bigotry shouldn't be excused or denied as something else.
I only fear what would've happened if "Arvo" had been replaced with "Miguel" and Kenny started yelling racial slurs about Mexicans...
Yeah I know, I thought Arvo was a piece of shit but somehow I still didn't want Kenny to beat him up.
a bunch of angry yelling about tacos
yeah then instead of a gun(ep 3 trailer), it magically transforms into a walkie talkie
who are the rest of your favourites? ;D
Kinda. I mean, he does an awful lot of stereotyping. I'm seeing a lot of comments saying, how because he was "friends" with Lee and had an Indian girlfriend, he's exempt from being racist at all and that's not exactly how it works.
Absolutely right!
IMO that is what makes a strong character, flaws define the character. People aren't perfect and shouldn't pretend to be cough Clementine cough