I understand what you're saying in terms of "ideal" portrayal of both male and female physiques causing people to look poorly upon themselve… mores, but the issue is honestly only as harmful as people let it be. It's not really an issue that can be fixed, nor is it really within our right to force designers to cater their works to people who feel insecure about themselves. Ultimately it's up to us to be attached to reality.
I mean, hell, I shipped them too, but it just frustrated me when that's all people remember her for when she was actually a pretty great character with a lot of great moments.
Umm i am a girl, i am bi and i liked her character but i also wanted Lee and her to hook up. Maybe i don't remember as the girl Lee could have sex with completely but it is part of my opinion.
Excactly. How is this discussion still going anyway? Anyone with a brain cell knows that this game is about how character interaction and how they cope in should a horrific situation, not action or mindless violence. Any uneducated fools who don't understand might as well stop playing the Walking Dead.
"Really though, if you think someone is "hot" why does that automatically have to imply sexual objectification?"
It doesn't. For example, I think Luke is hot. But there's a difference between Luke being convenientally attractive and me just thinking he's hot, and a giant shirtless stand-up of Luke in the middle of a video game store. There's a difference between how an individual just perceives a person, and the kind of image the media forces on them.
Have men been sexualized in marketing? Yeah. Certainly. If a guy is hot and it brings in female customers, they're going to flaunt that. ALSO a problem. But it's so much more rampant with women that people are more likely to notice this with men because they're so used to it happening with women that it's like a given.
My issue isn't people finding Carley hot. She is hot. My issue is the fact that they're so accustomed to women in games that are just sex props that it's all they want to see out of her.
The same exact thing is done with men in advertising directed at women. Marketing agencies market ideals, because no one will purchase exerc… moreise equipment if they see everyone using it weighs 400 pounds. Just like no one looking to purchase a brand new sports car would jump at the opportunity to get one with a rusted body and a dented bumper. Marketing ideals sells products. Maybe people should take a step back and realize this, rather than forcing constraints onto the entirety of the free market. The problem is with people, not with advertising. Maybe reeducation camps are needed.
I once had a theory, and it was in reply to a thread such as this. I would like you to take a look at it and tell me what you think. I'll copy and paste it exactly as I wrote it prior.
"Really though, if you think someone is "hot" why does that automatically have to imply sexual objectification? Hot and beautiful are pretty much interchangeable, and if you fin… [view original content]
I'm not meaning to sound unsympathetic to their issues, but If they aren't going to be grounded in reality, then they need to work on getting that straightened out before they can even hope of working to bring out the best in themselves. It's more of a personal issue than an actual issue of society. If a girl doubts her own beauty just because she isn't a Victoria's Secret model, she is being irrational. It's a terrible mindset, and one that needs to be fixed. We can be understanding of these people's issues while also helping them to understand that their views are irrational.
but the issue is honestly only as harmful as people let it be.
That is the key bro, we have to remember people are people, they hav… moree feelings, they play a game, they see oversexed females all over the place and people feel shitty about themselves. I do agree this isn't something that can be solved easily, and its not only in video games but in our society. Television, supermodels, Musicians, Actors, whatever all portray a certain image to society to show what is acceptable.
I don't know, i don't know how to fix it. I can only change myself, and try to be a more understanding person every day. There is too much pain in this world, it is already bursting at the seams. We need to be understanding in a time of great uncertainly.
Yep..modern Feminism really sucks the fun out of a lot of things that don't even have anything to do with "social justice". I wish they'd quit making such a big deal out of everything that so much as slightly doesn't fit into their box of what is "acceptable".
Yep..modern Feminism really sucks the fun out of a lot of things that don't even have anything to do with "social justice". I wish they'd qu… moreit making such a big deal out of everything that so much as slightly doesn't fit into their box of what is "acceptable".
Excactly. How is this discussion still going anyway? Anyone with a brain cell knows that this game is about how character interaction and ho… morew they cope in should a horrific situation, not action or mindless violence. Any uneducated fools who don't understand might as well stop playing the Walking Dead.
Excactly. How is this discussion still going anyway? Anyone with a brain cell knows that this game is about how character interaction and ho… morew they cope in should a horrific situation, not action or mindless violence. Any uneducated fools who don't understand might as well stop playing the Walking Dead.
Yes i agree she was a great character but there weren't really much emotinal things about her, like some other character that make you cry. So yes some people remember her like that and that is ok, that is their opinion.
I mean, hell, I shipped them too, but it just frustrated me when that's all people remember her for when she was actually a pretty great character with a lot of great moments.
Well, a character doesn't have to make you cry to be good. Carley was outspoken, trusting enough to let others take leadership but confident enough in herself to defy said leadership when it compromised her morals, willing to look for the inherent good in people because she gave Lee a second chance, caring towards Clementine, and had some pretty funny lines--not to mention she was a damn good shot.
I just think she's worth remembering more than batteries and kissing Lee on the cheek.
Yes i agree she was a great character but there weren't really much emotinal things about her, like some other character that make you cry. So yes some people remember her like that and that is ok, that is their opinion.
iamshizi is right: the show has just become a load of violence and gore, trying to shock people all the time by getting more and more horrific. There's no meaning to it, no purpose. I'm not saying I don't mind watching violent things, but as long as they have some meaning or point- beneath the plot, the Walking Dead show is nothing.
If you paid attention and read my comment properly you would see that I said "beneath the plot", not that there's no plot. Of course there's a plot, everything has a plot otherwise nothing would happen. But can you tell me the deeper meaning of the Walking Dead?
iamshizi is right: the show has just become a load of violence and gore, trying to shock people all the time by getting more and more horrif… moreic. There's no meaning to it, no purpose. I'm not saying I don't mind watching violent things, but as long as they have some meaning or point- beneath the plot, the Walking Dead show is nothing.
Lets be honest, we want to play as a male to have the opportunity to get some booty.
Last time we were about to get some, but she got killed off before she could deliver on that promise..
R.I.P. Carley
Personally speaking, you didn't say anything that bothered me, George. I was more annoyed at the guy who made the comment to begin with. But… more I actually really appreciate you being courteous enough to read what I said and take it into consideration. Thank you.
I don't know i had a feeling about Carley, like she was really sad/depressed but she hid it really well. To me, every time i remember talking to her, she always had that misting in her eyes. Like she was about to cry.
Well, a character doesn't have to make you cry to be good. Carley was outspoken, trusting enough to let others take leadership but confident… more enough in herself to defy said leadership when it compromised her morals, willing to look for the inherent good in people because she gave Lee a second chance, caring towards Clementine, and had some pretty funny lines--not to mention she was a damn good shot.
I just think she's worth remembering more than batteries and kissing Lee on the cheek.
I think so too. She seemed really depressed to me but not in a said wat when people use phrases "Nah i am feeling depressed" but real depression, like diagnosed one.
I don't know i had a feeling about Carley, like she was really sad/depressed but she hid it really well. To me, every time i remember talking to her, she always had that misting in her eyes. Like she was about to cry.
I think so too. She seemed really depressed to me but not in a said wat when people use phrases "Nah i am feeling depressed" but real depression, like diagnosed one.
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I mean, hell, I shipped them too, but it just frustrated me when that's all people remember her for when she was actually a pretty great character with a lot of great moments.
Excactly. How is this discussion still going anyway? Anyone with a brain cell knows that this game is about how character interaction and how they cope in should a horrific situation, not action or mindless violence. Any uneducated fools who don't understand might as well stop playing the Walking Dead.
It doesn't. For example, I think Luke is hot. But there's a difference between Luke being convenientally attractive and me just thinking he's hot, and a giant shirtless stand-up of Luke in the middle of a video game store. There's a difference between how an individual just perceives a person, and the kind of image the media forces on them.
Have men been sexualized in marketing? Yeah. Certainly. If a guy is hot and it brings in female customers, they're going to flaunt that. ALSO a problem. But it's so much more rampant with women that people are more likely to notice this with men because they're so used to it happening with women that it's like a given.
My issue isn't people finding Carley hot. She is hot. My issue is the fact that they're so accustomed to women in games that are just sex props that it's all they want to see out of her.
I'm not meaning to sound unsympathetic to their issues, but If they aren't going to be grounded in reality, then they need to work on getting that straightened out before they can even hope of working to bring out the best in themselves. It's more of a personal issue than an actual issue of society. If a girl doubts her own beauty just because she isn't a Victoria's Secret model, she is being irrational. It's a terrible mindset, and one that needs to be fixed. We can be understanding of these people's issues while also helping them to understand that their views are irrational.
Yep..modern Feminism really sucks the fun out of a lot of things that don't even have anything to do with "social justice". I wish they'd quit making such a big deal out of everything that so much as slightly doesn't fit into their box of what is "acceptable".
Honestly for me, playing as clem was just as interesting as playing lee.
Unfortunately it seems like it is becoming more and more of a norm.
or just go and watch the show
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Yes i agree she was a great character but there weren't really much emotinal things about her, like some other character that make you cry. So yes some people remember her like that and that is ok, that is their opinion.
Well, a character doesn't have to make you cry to be good. Carley was outspoken, trusting enough to let others take leadership but confident enough in herself to defy said leadership when it compromised her morals, willing to look for the inherent good in people because she gave Lee a second chance, caring towards Clementine, and had some pretty funny lines--not to mention she was a damn good shot.
I just think she's worth remembering more than batteries and kissing Lee on the cheek.
Exactly! XD
iamshizi is right: the show has just become a load of violence and gore, trying to shock people all the time by getting more and more horrific. There's no meaning to it, no purpose. I'm not saying I don't mind watching violent things, but as long as they have some meaning or point- beneath the plot, the Walking Dead show is nothing.
I'd go further and say more interesting, since we get to develop her character
If you paid attention and read my comment properly you would see that I said "beneath the plot", not that there's no plot. Of course there's a plot, everything has a plot otherwise nothing would happen. But can you tell me the deeper meaning of the Walking Dead?
The show does have meaning and it is great, I do not why you think there is no plot.
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I don't know i had a feeling about Carley, like she was really sad/depressed but she hid it really well. To me, every time i remember talking to her, she always had that misting in her eyes. Like she was about to cry.
Sometimes I am legitimately embarrassed of what our generation has "accomplished."
A generation that is entitled to suck the fun out of every facet of life.
I think so too. She seemed really depressed to me but not in a said wat when people use phrases "Nah i am feeling depressed" but real depression, like diagnosed one.
Agreed.
Very true....
I know , she never talked about it, but the look on her face as a man knows there is something wrong.
No. In fact, for the next three games we should play as an adult female. Just for this.
Female protagonist... Why not I mean we don't see that allot like Jane from Beyond Good and Evil.