I think Lilly is an amazing character, and it would be pretty awesome to see her return. My Clem would see her as a long lost old friend, and I believe Lilly would be happy to see Clementine, too. Assuming Kenny isn't around all season, I'm positive Lilly (if she returns) would be exceedingly protective over Clem and would find redemption for what she did to Carley and or Doug.
Team Lilly is the way to go no matter what anyone says, and if you're scared about it is not wrong to be a fan.
I was a fan of her's 2 ye… morears ago and I still am now, and 2 years ago Lilly fans (if you could find one) were rare. There used to be many threads where I would get bashed for defending her (my opinions of Clementine didn't help my cause any), but I survived the Kenny stampede because wherever you looked there would be Kenny threads/Kenny vs Lilly/Kill Lilly. (Lets just say the threads were quite lopsided for Kenny fans) but I digress.
I even made my fair share of "enemies" and some of them thinking I'm "crazy" but all I am is a proud fan.
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Yes, her father's death is a complete and total mitigating factor. Your sanity does not dictate your ability to premeditate. Do you think that Ted Bundy was particularly sane? On top of that, her loss of sanity is also supported by her actions all throughout the episode. Insane amounts of paranoia, complete and total isolation, feelings of being ganged up on. Lilly was losing it through and through.
Blaming the victim? I really don't believe that Lilly is a bad person for what she did, but I do believe what she did was bad. I'm not quite blaming Carley, but I'm just saying she could've prevented what happened, and she should have known better. Similarly, Lilly should've known better than to shoot Carley, but still. Lilly is definitely worse morally than most characters in Season 1, including Carley, but I don't think that she's a bad person overall. Just one that fucked up rather majorly.
On top of that, I believe she is morally miles ahead of Kenny, who is her sole opposition in the Team Lilly argument. People don't talk Team Lilly versus Team Duck. Kenny not only attempted to punish a group member in the same way that Lilly did, but he did it to (determinately) the same exact person, and that wasn't his only offense. While what Kenny did can be considered forgivable based on the fact that Ben killed his family, what cannot be forgiven is Kenny watching Lee die in the pharmacy in episode 3.
At this point is when most people bring up Lilly not shooting Andy while Andy held Lee in front of the electric fence, should Lee have killed Larry. However, this just further proves Lilly's moral superiority. That was her reaction to the murder of her family at the hands of her group. She looks away when they need her. Kenny's response to his group not siding with him literally one time is the same exact response. His response to the murder of his family is murder right back. Only when Lilly's mental state has decreased further with the constant berating from Kenny and (determinately) Lee, is when she resorts to murder.
Again, I'm not saying that what Lilly did is good, nor that she is good (overall, I tend to think of her as pretty much perfect neutral). I'm just saying that she's (mostly) better than her opposition. Just about the only places where Kenny exceeds her in my eyes is in his writing (as of Season 1), and in his voice acting (Over both seasons, because Gavin Hammon is amazing). Kenny is phenomenal in that regard. But if judged as a person, Kenny is awful. Better than Jane, but still ridiculously terrible.
Blaming the victim. What happened was Lilly's fault. Even if she is mourning her dad she's still responsible for her own behavior...it's nev… moreer acceptable to resort to violence because your losing an argument...and Lilly can't claim temporary insanity b/c she admits she did it to protect the group...that's premeditation...she's completely culpable...at that time of carley's murder, her father's death is no longer a possible mitigating factor
I hate to bring an entirely different chain of conversation into this one, but don't you think this is a sign of a deteriorating mental state? She was totally bonkers there. Of course she wasn't thinking about the consequences of her actions. As for stealing the RV, I totally stand behind her there. She was still paranoid, only now she was tied up, and was no doubt fearing that the others outside were talking of killing her. She saw an opportunity to survive, without directly hurting anybody, and she took it. She wasn't thinking of Clem and Duck in that moment, but even if the train didn't run, the group had a new shelter they could live in for a while, similar to Chuck's situation.
She wasn't a bad person. But I didn't like how afterward she just expected the group to be thanking her or that they were being irrational i… moren thinking she's dangerous(@ that moment). If you bring her with you she thinks it's unfair for her to have been disarmed and restrained. It was completely acceptable---she needs to earn that trust back...afterwards how does she do that? By stealing the RV and potentially stranding everyone b/c of something that was a result of her own behavior
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I think Lilly is an amazing character, and it would be pretty awesome to see her return. My Clem would see her as a long lost old friend, and I believe Lilly would be happy to see Clementine, too. Assuming Kenny isn't around all season, I'm positive Lilly (if she returns) would be exceedingly protective over Clem and would find redemption for what she did to Carley and or Doug.
Yes, her father's death is a complete and total mitigating factor. Your sanity does not dictate your ability to premeditate. Do you think that Ted Bundy was particularly sane? On top of that, her loss of sanity is also supported by her actions all throughout the episode. Insane amounts of paranoia, complete and total isolation, feelings of being ganged up on. Lilly was losing it through and through.
Blaming the victim? I really don't believe that Lilly is a bad person for what she did, but I do believe what she did was bad. I'm not quite blaming Carley, but I'm just saying she could've prevented what happened, and she should have known better. Similarly, Lilly should've known better than to shoot Carley, but still. Lilly is definitely worse morally than most characters in Season 1, including Carley, but I don't think that she's a bad person overall. Just one that fucked up rather majorly.
On top of that, I believe she is morally miles ahead of Kenny, who is her sole opposition in the Team Lilly argument. People don't talk Team Lilly versus Team Duck. Kenny not only attempted to punish a group member in the same way that Lilly did, but he did it to (determinately) the same exact person, and that wasn't his only offense. While what Kenny did can be considered forgivable based on the fact that Ben killed his family, what cannot be forgiven is Kenny watching Lee die in the pharmacy in episode 3.
At this point is when most people bring up Lilly not shooting Andy while Andy held Lee in front of the electric fence, should Lee have killed Larry. However, this just further proves Lilly's moral superiority. That was her reaction to the murder of her family at the hands of her group. She looks away when they need her. Kenny's response to his group not siding with him literally one time is the same exact response. His response to the murder of his family is murder right back. Only when Lilly's mental state has decreased further with the constant berating from Kenny and (determinately) Lee, is when she resorts to murder.
Again, I'm not saying that what Lilly did is good, nor that she is good (overall, I tend to think of her as pretty much perfect neutral). I'm just saying that she's (mostly) better than her opposition. Just about the only places where Kenny exceeds her in my eyes is in his writing (as of Season 1), and in his voice acting (Over both seasons, because Gavin Hammon is amazing). Kenny is phenomenal in that regard. But if judged as a person, Kenny is awful. Better than Jane, but still ridiculously terrible.
I hate to bring an entirely different chain of conversation into this one, but don't you think this is a sign of a deteriorating mental state? She was totally bonkers there. Of course she wasn't thinking about the consequences of her actions. As for stealing the RV, I totally stand behind her there. She was still paranoid, only now she was tied up, and was no doubt fearing that the others outside were talking of killing her. She saw an opportunity to survive, without directly hurting anybody, and she took it. She wasn't thinking of Clem and Duck in that moment, but even if the train didn't run, the group had a new shelter they could live in for a while, similar to Chuck's situation.
Nah, it's not wrong. There's plenty of reasons to like her as well as dislike her, as there are with most of the characters in the game.