Like you I love Lee's voice along with Kenny's voice..
After playing season 1 of The Walking Dead Game I went into deep depression over Lee's death.. never had any suicidal thoughts or anything because I don't really think like that but it was pretty fucked.
I don't like AJ at all and he is on my top 5 least favorite characters.. I think he is gonna get Clem killed or another character.
I was super happy when Kenny returned and I cried at his "death" in season 1 and when I saw his death in season 2 through other people i cried as well
To be fair every one has their own way of grieving, Kenny's way seems to be getting angry at the world. Is it true the others handled better than Kenny? yes. But I really don't get how people can get angry at him for that. Bonnie. When they yelled at her I just went: "Whatever." There is also the part that Kenny apologizes yelling at her.
But we aren't talking about other people, because other people didn't lose their shit like that when their loved ones died and blamed it on a little girl who did the best she could to save them, we're talking about Kenny.
This is kind of sad but I wanted to be alone when I started, evidently as I got through the episodes the characters all have been a huge impact through out the game, if it was real and I was alone my god I wouldn't know what to do. I hope Clem stays alive, Lee should've.
Nick is just really relatable what can i say? ;_;
I really do love all three, but as of recently ive come to the conclusion Nick is where it's at. I feel him yo
To be fair every one has their own way of grieving, Kenny's way seems to be getting angry at the world. Is it true the others handled better… more than Kenny? yes. But I really don't get how people can get angry at him for that. Bonnie. When they yelled at her I just went: "Whatever." There is also the part that Kenny apologizes yelling at her.
There is also the part that Kenny apologizes yelling at her.
That's if you don't put Kenny in his place.
In my opinion, it just seems that Kenny feels so alone in the world as if he's the only one that lost people.
Doug had more of a character arc than Carley ever did.
Stephanie has a cute butt.
And here's the only thing I've ever "secretly held back", and only in the sense that I never really bothered to voice it in the first place:
I get a weird vibe with the way diversity is handled in season 2. It seems to me like proclamations of how diverse the first season was went to Telltale's head and they tried to keep up with that and ended up coming up with characters that felt more like token characters waiting to be killed off. Carlos does nothing and has no development, Alvin does nothing and has no development, Rebecca develops but doesn't really do anything and just dies just as soon as she has her baby, Christa is written off without explanation, Matthew shows up just to die and Walter is the only one slated to die no matter what in A House Divided, Reggie is just there to die, Sarita is just there to die, Sarah's and Arvo's treatments speak for themselves, not to mention the claims of stereotyping with Buricko and Vitaliy... meanwhile, the most consistent and important characters of the season besides Clementine (who is practically an accessory for these characters' developments) are the white, American heterosexual characters Kenny, Luke, Jane, and Carver. Yes, Carver's an ass, but he's still talked up as being "OMG so smart", built a functioning community, and winds up being right about everything he says about the group.
I am NOT saying Telltale is racist, xenophobic, or homophobic, and I'm not saying that minority characters should all be upstanding survivors who never die and never fail in some way, nor would I deny that I liked quite a few of these characters regardless. But I steadfastly hold to my statement that the treatment of minority characters fell flat in many ways, and I get a weird vibe off season 2 regardless. Basically, it reminds me of season 2 of the TV show, where I certainly wouldn't call the writers racist or sexist, but the one black guy and the female characters were nevertheless all treated horribly. Glenn at least was treated alright.
And that's my daily "controversial" spiel for the day.
Oh, yeah. I completely forgot about the one in EP5. Yeah, that's definite. But I'm talking about if you tell Kenny that you had to shoot Lee and that he should stop acting like an asshole.
I certainly don't view it as a coincidence that the only two deaths that must always occur in episode 2 are both of the members of a gay couple.
Maybe they were scared of backlash. I mean they made Luke refer to them as 'friends' for goodness' sake, clearly they were keen to tiptoe shamelessly around the issue. But telltale have never exactly been progressive.
The "Alone" ending of season 2 is the best one.
Luke is a boring character.
Nate is a worthless asshole.
Doug had more of a charact… moreer arc than Carley ever did.
Stephanie has a cute butt.
And here's the only thing I've ever "secretly held back", and only in the sense that I never really bothered to voice it in the first place:
I get a weird vibe with the way diversity is handled in season 2. It seems to me like proclamations of how diverse the first season was went to Telltale's head and they tried to keep up with that and ended up coming up with characters that felt more like token characters waiting to be killed off. Carlos does nothing and has no development, Alvin does nothing and has no development, Rebecca develops but doesn't really do anything and just dies just as soon as she has her baby, Christa is written off without explanation, Matthew shows up just to die and Walter is the only one slated to die no matter what … [view original content]
I certainly don't view it as a coincidence that the only two deaths that must always occur in episode 2 are both of the members of a gay cou… moreple.
Maybe they were scared of backlash. I mean they made Luke refer to them as 'friends' for goodness' sake, clearly they were keen to tiptoe shamelessly around the issue. But telltale have never exactly been progressive.
I certainly don't view it as a coincidence that the only two deaths that must always occur in episode 2 are both members of a gay couple.
That's incorrect actually. Johnny dies no matter what as well.
I didn't really count him as we have literally no interaction with him or know anything about his life.
I mean we only know his name because of hacking, right?
Yes I know that wasn't your point, I'm not here to argue the point as I have no opinion in the matter one way or the other, I just simply wanted to show you that his name was stated on screen as I love details.
Ok?
That was just an aside really, my point was that he's barely a character. As in, he has zero characterisation, personality, dialogue and all the rest.
Completely different situation to Walt and Matthew.
Telling people stop being an asshole really doesn't help the person forgive you. Even if you weren't wrong in the first place. And honestly, if you were put in Kenny's position, you wouldn't be nice either. I wouldn't.
Oh, yeah. I completely forgot about the one in EP5. Yeah, that's definite. But I'm talking about if you tell Kenny that you had to shoot Lee and that he should stop acting like an asshole.
I like that one.
After Kenny yelled at me, I didn't want any forgiveness from him. I wanted him to get it through his thick skull that everyone loses people and that she shouldn't be selfish and not help the group. If I was in Kenny's position, and I lost my wife (well, husband), child, and girlfriend, I would absolutely not take it out on a little girl who did her best to help. Sarita was dead from the minute that walker bit down on her. Clementine (technically us) did what she thought was right and tried to help. Kenny saying "just because you're a little girl, you think you can get anyone killed?" What the hell kind of thing is that to say to a child who tried to help? That's disgusting to say.
Telling people stop being an asshole really doesn't help the person forgive you. Even if you weren't wrong in the first place. And honestly, if you were put in Kenny's position, you wouldn't be nice either. I wouldn't.
I certainly don't view it as a coincidence that the only two deaths that must always occur in episode 2 are both of the members of a gay cou… moreple.
Maybe they were scared of backlash. I mean they made Luke refer to them as 'friends' for goodness' sake, clearly they were keen to tiptoe shamelessly around the issue. But telltale have never exactly been progressive.
The thing is that Kenny didn't mean a thing he said to Clem when he yelled at her. Like I said before, Kenny's way of grieving is different from the rest. I'll admit Kenny was wrong to say what he said, but did he act upon it? No. Same goes to Bonnie also, I think it's ridiculous how much of an overreaction to getting yelled at. Kenny would never purposely hurt Clem in any way. In short, Kenny was wrong with what he said, but he didn't mean it, and once he realized he hurt her feelings, he apologized. Even Rebecca agreed to give him a break. One last thing, we are seeing this from Clem's point of view, no one else's. So of course we that our choices are the right one, and anybody disagreeing with is a dick.
After Kenny yelled at me, I didn't want any forgiveness from him. I wanted him to get it through his thick skull that everyone loses people … moreand that she shouldn't be selfish and not help the group. If I was in Kenny's position, and I lost my wife (well, husband), child, and girlfriend, I would absolutely not take it out on a little girl who did her best to help. Sarita was dead from the minute that walker bit down on her. Clementine (technically us) did what she thought was right and tried to help. Kenny saying "just because you're a little girl, you think you can get anyone killed?" What the hell kind of thing is that to say to a child who tried to help? That's disgusting to say.
The thing is that Kenny didn't mean a thing he said to Clem when he yelled at her.
What do you mean he "didn't mean it." Obviously he's thought those thoughts before in order to say that. Just remember, if Clementine never associated with the stranger, Lee wouldn't of got bit. (But of course, we need to blame the stranger for manipulating her, but I don't think Kenny would understand that).
Even Rebecca agreed to give him a break
Literally after most of the group pressured her into speaking to him.
The thing is that Kenny didn't mean a thing he said to Clem when he yelled at her. Like I said before, Kenny's way of grieving is different … morefrom the rest. I'll admit Kenny was wrong to say what he said, but did he act upon it? No. Same goes to Bonnie also, I think it's ridiculous how much of an overreaction to getting yelled at. Kenny would never purposely hurt Clem in any way. In short, Kenny was wrong with what he said, but he didn't mean it, and once he realized he hurt her feelings, he apologized. Even Rebecca agreed to give him a break. One last thing, we are seeing this from Clem's point of view, no one else's. So of course we that our choices are the right one, and anybody disagreeing with is a dick.
His emotions got the better of him, once he snapped out of his anger, he realized he hurt Clem's feelings and apologized.
if Clementine never associated with the stranger, Lee wouldn't of got bit. (But of course, we need to blame the stranger for manipulating her, but I don't think Kenny would understand that).
What do you mean? When Clem blames herself for Lee dying, Kenny reassures it wasn't her fault.
Literally after most of the group pressured her into speaking to him.
What I meant was that Rebecca agreed that Kenny was just sad and angry his girlfriend died or is dying. She knows that Kenny didn't mean it.
The thing is that Kenny didn't mean a thing he said to Clem when he yelled at her.
What do you mean he "didn't mean it." Obviously h… moree's thought those thoughts before in order to say that. Just remember, if Clementine never associated with the stranger, Lee wouldn't of got bit. (But of course, we need to blame the stranger for manipulating her, but I don't think Kenny would understand that).
Even Rebecca agreed to give him a break
Literally after most of the group pressured her into speaking to him.
They weren't scared to such an extent they wouldn't include it, but this is them trying to pander both to moral people and to homophobes who prefer to ignore the existence of gay people, and pandering to assholes isn't really great, regardless of how much you do it.
They weren't scared to such an extent they wouldn't include it, but this is them trying to pander both to moral people and to homophobes who… more prefer to ignore the existence of gay people, and pandering to assholes isn't really great, regardless of how much you do it.
well I agree with you there, it DID confuse me a lot that the word "boyfriend" or "lover" wasn't muttered once in the entire episode, It's also stupid of telltale to be pandering to homophobes, but I do believe the whole "they're the only ones to always die in the episode" is a tad paranoid of you though, while I do wish Walter lasted longer. Honestly the game is so diverse anyways, the cast itself has always been diverse, so i doubt they had too much fear. Maybe they felt like they were done with Walt's story? (even though He and Nick probably both still had a bit of development needed)
They weren't scared to such an extent they wouldn't include it, but this is them trying to pander both to moral people and to homophobes who… more prefer to ignore the existence of gay people, and pandering to assholes isn't really great, regardless of how much you do it.
s also stupid of telltale to be pandering to homophobes
I don't really see it. I thought they did Matt and Walter's characters really well. You have to remember you just met this guy, sharing something about yourself is pretty personal, i don't talk about myself to people i just met. Know what i mean.
I can't argue about character deaths because the writers wrote what they thought was the best story they could come up with . Personally i would of LOVED to see Walter live longer than he did. Him and Sarah were my favorite characters in that season.
well I agree with you there, it DID confuse me a lot that the word "boyfriend" or "lover" wasn't muttered once in the entire episode, It's a… morelso stupid of telltale to be pandering to homophobes, but I do believe the whole "they're the only ones to always die in the episode" is a tad paranoid of you though, while I do wish Walter lasted longer. Honestly the game is so diverse anyways, the cast itself has always been diverse, so i doubt they had too much fear. Maybe they felt like they were done with Walt's story? (even though He and Nick probably both still had a bit of development needed)
i thought at the kenny vs jane death match, just before you saw the options to shoot or look away when clemintine picked up her gun i thought she was gonna shoot herself.
i thought at the kenny vs jane death match, just before you saw the options to shoot or look away when clemintine picked up her gun i thought she was gonna shoot herself.
I honestly hoped that Clementine was dreaming and the moment she went to sleep in the dream sequence in 'No Going Back', I had hoped would be followed by credits. Either way I don't mind that Clementine wasn't dreaming.
-I cried of happiness when Kenny came back in S2EP2
-I don't think they should've killed Lee at the end of Season 1 if they thought ahead and knew they were going to make a Season 3, but it makes sense of why they did kill him off.
-I (not literally) fell in love with Luke the first time I laid eyes on him in S2EP1
-There was no way in hell that I would've let Jane live
-I don't want to take care of AJ
-I hate the fact that Clementine is so cold in S2
-I hated Nick, but was saddened by his death in S2EP4 (I didn't like killing him that way)
-Amid the Ruins was my favorite episode. In Harm's Way was my least favorite (I honestly don't understand anyone who liked that EP)
-I like Lee a lot more than Clementine even though I like her a lot
-I love Kenny/Luke, but I didn't like the fact that you had no choice but to basically be on their side even if you hated them both
-I honestly thought the writing after EP 3 went downhill, and just didn't seem to make a lot of sense anymore, and was just jumbled together for the sake of adding tension/plot
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Like you I love Lee's voice along with Kenny's voice..
After playing season 1 of The Walking Dead Game I went into deep depression over Lee's death.. never had any suicidal thoughts or anything because I don't really think like that but it was pretty fucked.
I don't like AJ at all and he is on my top 5 least favorite characters.. I think he is gonna get Clem killed or another character.
I was super happy when Kenny returned and I cried at his "death" in season 1 and when I saw his death in season 2 through other people i cried as well
I never want Clementine to die.
To be fair every one has their own way of grieving, Kenny's way seems to be getting angry at the world. Is it true the others handled better than Kenny? yes. But I really don't get how people can get angry at him for that. Bonnie. When they yelled at her I just went: "Whatever." There is also the part that Kenny apologizes yelling at her.
Nick is just really relatable what can i say? ;_;
I really do love all three, but as of recently ive come to the conclusion Nick is where it's at. I feel him yo
This is kind of sad but I wanted to be alone when I started, evidently as I got through the episodes the characters all have been a huge impact through out the game, if it was real and I was alone my god I wouldn't know what to do. I hope Clem stays alive, Lee should've.
OKAY BUT LIKE
SARAH
YOU COULD HAVE SAID ANYONE ELSE BUT
SARAH
That's if you don't put Kenny in his place.
In my opinion, it just seems that Kenny feels so alone in the world as if he's the only one that lost people.
What do you mean don't put Kenny is his place? There is one determinant apology and then the main one in EP5.
The "Alone" ending of season 2 is the best one.
Luke is a boring character.
Nate is a worthless asshole.
Doug had more of a character arc than Carley ever did.
Stephanie has a cute butt.
And here's the only thing I've ever "secretly held back", and only in the sense that I never really bothered to voice it in the first place:
I get a weird vibe with the way diversity is handled in season 2. It seems to me like proclamations of how diverse the first season was went to Telltale's head and they tried to keep up with that and ended up coming up with characters that felt more like token characters waiting to be killed off. Carlos does nothing and has no development, Alvin does nothing and has no development, Rebecca develops but doesn't really do anything and just dies just as soon as she has her baby, Christa is written off without explanation, Matthew shows up just to die and Walter is the only one slated to die no matter what in A House Divided, Reggie is just there to die, Sarita is just there to die, Sarah's and Arvo's treatments speak for themselves, not to mention the claims of stereotyping with Buricko and Vitaliy... meanwhile, the most consistent and important characters of the season besides Clementine (who is practically an accessory for these characters' developments) are the white, American heterosexual characters Kenny, Luke, Jane, and Carver. Yes, Carver's an ass, but he's still talked up as being "OMG so smart", built a functioning community, and winds up being right about everything he says about the group.
I am NOT saying Telltale is racist, xenophobic, or homophobic, and I'm not saying that minority characters should all be upstanding survivors who never die and never fail in some way, nor would I deny that I liked quite a few of these characters regardless. But I steadfastly hold to my statement that the treatment of minority characters fell flat in many ways, and I get a weird vibe off season 2 regardless. Basically, it reminds me of season 2 of the TV show, where I certainly wouldn't call the writers racist or sexist, but the one black guy and the female characters were nevertheless all treated horribly. Glenn at least was treated alright.
And that's my daily "controversial" spiel for the day.
I LOVE SARAH YOU KNOW THIS, SHES MY 2ND FAVORITE CHARACTER
THEN DON'T SHOOT HER OVER NICK SHE'S A LITTLE ANGEL FROM THE HEAVENS SENT UPON US WE MUST PROTECT HER AT ALL TIMES
ALL HAIL SARAH
Oh, yeah. I completely forgot about the one in EP5. Yeah, that's definite. But I'm talking about if you tell Kenny that you had to shoot Lee and that he should stop acting like an asshole.
I like that one.
I certainly don't view it as a coincidence that the only two deaths that must always occur in episode 2 are both of the members of a gay couple.
Maybe they were scared of backlash. I mean they made Luke refer to them as 'friends' for goodness' sake, clearly they were keen to tiptoe shamelessly around the issue. But telltale have never exactly been progressive.
That's incorrect actually. Johnny dies no matter what as well.
I didn't really count him as we have literally no interaction with him or know anything about his life.
I mean we only know his name because of hacking, right?
"Johnny, cover that window."
Ok?
That was just an aside really, my point was that he's barely a character. As in, he has zero characterisation, personality, dialogue and all the rest.
Completely different situation to Walt and Matthew.
Yes I know that wasn't your point, I'm not here to argue the point as I have no opinion in the matter one way or the other, I just simply wanted to show you that his name was stated on screen as I love details.
Telling people stop being an asshole really doesn't help the person forgive you. Even if you weren't wrong in the first place. And honestly, if you were put in Kenny's position, you wouldn't be nice either. I wouldn't.
That sounds like the ultimate heart-break. lol
After Kenny yelled at me, I didn't want any forgiveness from him. I wanted him to get it through his thick skull that everyone loses people and that she shouldn't be selfish and not help the group. If I was in Kenny's position, and I lost my wife (well, husband), child, and girlfriend, I would absolutely not take it out on a little girl who did her best to help. Sarita was dead from the minute that walker bit down on her. Clementine (technically us) did what she thought was right and tried to help. Kenny saying "just because you're a little girl, you think you can get anyone killed?" What the hell kind of thing is that to say to a child who tried to help? That's disgusting to say.
cmonnnnnn
Nick is to me what Luke is to you silly
If you were forced to choose, who'd you pick
If telltale were scared of that, Walt and Matthew wouldn't have even been in the game
You know we're scraping the bottle of the barrel when we talk about noses :P
What are you talking about? Noses are a main conversation on the forums... right? :P
The thing is that Kenny didn't mean a thing he said to Clem when he yelled at her. Like I said before, Kenny's way of grieving is different from the rest. I'll admit Kenny was wrong to say what he said, but did he act upon it? No. Same goes to Bonnie also, I think it's ridiculous how much of an overreaction to getting yelled at. Kenny would never purposely hurt Clem in any way. In short, Kenny was wrong with what he said, but he didn't mean it, and once he realized he hurt her feelings, he apologized. Even Rebecca agreed to give him a break. One last thing, we are seeing this from Clem's point of view, no one else's. So of course we that our choices are the right one, and anybody disagreeing with is a dick.
What do you mean he "didn't mean it." Obviously he's thought those thoughts before in order to say that. Just remember, if Clementine never associated with the stranger, Lee wouldn't of got bit. (But of course, we need to blame the stranger for manipulating her, but I don't think Kenny would understand that).
Literally after most of the group pressured her into speaking to him.
Being alone is how I wanted to start but something about clem wanted me to enjoy company
His emotions got the better of him, once he snapped out of his anger, he realized he hurt Clem's feelings and apologized.
What do you mean? When Clem blames herself for Lee dying, Kenny reassures it wasn't her fault.
What I meant was that Rebecca agreed that Kenny was just sad and angry his girlfriend died or is dying. She knows that Kenny didn't mean it.
They weren't scared to such an extent they wouldn't include it, but this is them trying to pander both to moral people and to homophobes who prefer to ignore the existence of gay people, and pandering to assholes isn't really great, regardless of how much you do it.
What sad i think Walter was my favorite character NOW.
well I agree with you there, it DID confuse me a lot that the word "boyfriend" or "lover" wasn't muttered once in the entire episode, It's also stupid of telltale to be pandering to homophobes, but I do believe the whole "they're the only ones to always die in the episode" is a tad paranoid of you though, while I do wish Walter lasted longer. Honestly the game is so diverse anyways, the cast itself has always been diverse, so i doubt they had too much fear. Maybe they felt like they were done with Walt's story? (even though He and Nick probably both still had a bit of development needed)
ikr its like shes the leader or something kind of a dick move
I don't really see it. I thought they did Matt and Walter's characters really well. You have to remember you just met this guy, sharing something about yourself is pretty personal, i don't talk about myself to people i just met. Know what i mean.
I can't argue about character deaths because the writers wrote what they thought was the best story they could come up with . Personally i would of LOVED to see Walter live longer than he did. Him and Sarah were my favorite characters in that season.
ikr! i thought i was the only one who noticed that
i thought at the kenny vs jane death match, just before you saw the options to shoot or look away when clemintine picked up her gun i thought she was gonna shoot herself.
That would've been the biggest plot twist. "BOOP! It was all a dream!"
But it would be kind of stupid at the same time, tbh.
-I cried of happiness when Kenny came back in S2EP2
-I don't think they should've killed Lee at the end of Season 1 if they thought ahead and knew they were going to make a Season 3, but it makes sense of why they did kill him off.
-I (not literally) fell in love with Luke the first time I laid eyes on him in S2EP1
-There was no way in hell that I would've let Jane live
-I don't want to take care of AJ
-I hate the fact that Clementine is so cold in S2
-I hated Nick, but was saddened by his death in S2EP4 (I didn't like killing him that way)
-Amid the Ruins was my favorite episode. In Harm's Way was my least favorite (I honestly don't understand anyone who liked that EP)
-I like Lee a lot more than Clementine even though I like her a lot
-I love Kenny/Luke, but I didn't like the fact that you had no choice but to basically be on their side even if you hated them both
-I honestly thought the writing after EP 3 went downhill, and just didn't seem to make a lot of sense anymore, and was just jumbled together for the sake of adding tension/plot
I had more fun playing as Lee
I cared for Kenny more than Clementine
"Nobody is safe in the apocalypse" cliche is overused in the game