THATS not the german Adventure game community :cool:
It might well be. At least some of it. But is there something wrong with criticising these graphics? I myself have a very, very hard time accepting them. Art is long, and life is short - there should be time to discuss aspects of art in this game.
Nonetheless, let's assume that a very high percentage of the critics will eventually buy the game. That has been the case with every Monkey Island product in Germany. So there might be issues with the game - yet you can be sure, it will succeed. What's wrong with that?
why we (i) hate Sam & Max? - that's easy, because i takes 1 year until our publisher dooyoo bring out the german version of this game! And Sam & Max S. 2 was advised in begining of 2009, but now, noone knows if it comes out in end of 2009! So we wait 1 and 1,5 year for this games!
But i'm a fan of this crazy rabbit and his dog so i bought both games as US version.
So plz understand what i what to say. We love S&M but we hate S&M-german-version, we hate our publishers!
why we (i) hate Sam & Max? - that's easy, because i takes 1 year until our publisher dooyoo bring out the german version of this game! And Sam & Max S. 2 was advised in begining of 2009, but now, noone knows if it comes out in end of 2009! So we wait 1 and 1,5 year for this games!
But i'm a fan of this crazy rabbit and his dog so i bought both games as US version.
So plz understand what i what to say. We love S&M but we hate S&M-german-version, we hate our publishers!
(i)
sorry for my eng ;/
and they fucked up a few things with translation, jokes, timing and so on...
the german version of season one is not bad, but there are a few things, that should have drawn attention from somebody...
Hi, im from Austria (the little country south of germany) and preorderd just yesterday
Maybe you've seen some of my german subtitles to the MI:SE and Tales of MI trailers on YouTube.
When I first saw the title of the Thread i thought "Somebody complaining about the german guys in this forum asking for german voice overs in ToMI?"
Lavrans:
why we (i) hate Sam & Max? - that's easy, because i takes 1 year until our publisher dooyoo bring out the german version of this game! And Sam & Max S. 2 was advised in begining of 2009, but now, noone knows if it comes out in end of 2009! So we wait 1 and 1,5 year for this games!
I would like to spend my coupon for a free episode on a german episode of Sam and Max, but sadly Telltale doesn't offer the german ones on their online shop...
The German version being totally fscked up doesn't make the game itself bad.
Also, while I do have the German version of Sam & Max Season One I never actually played it - the installer also lets you install the original English version (it's even advertised on the box) so where's the problem?
Germany is perfect. Well not really but they think so.
Sometimes I don´t hate SAM or the graphics but germany! :rolleyes:
Well ok I think 2D is the best. CMI! The best adventures are 2D. I don´t like 3D so much but I can live with it you fools. :cool: Oh and 2,5 D like the "semi realistic" adventure games at this days are good too. Better then 3D.
But hey I applied to the graphics of Sam and Max accustomed. It looks like 2D comic. So what´s your problem?
@[Hunter.Wolf]
I downloaded Night of the Raving Dead. Can´t wait it comes out in German.
Can´t download a German version? Note it´s an American company. And they´ve nothing to do with the German, French, Spanish, Italian and so on publishers.
thank you for this post! I am from Germany too, I really love Monkey Island AND the Telltale-Games. I am really tired of the discussion about ToMI including hatred towards 3-D-Graphics and keyboard-control. (As if it were a disaster to see MI in 3D...)
About things like atmosphere, story, dialogues, characters etc. there seems to be no discussion (the same thing about other Telltale stuff).
I am tired of reading comments like this. And I am really looking forward to ToMI!
you do not have the right to bluntly call people "dumb and hateable" because of a mere personal preference of theirs.
Actually, having a personal preferance about something before you have tried something, is pretty much a dictionary definition of "prejudgment". And is quite a valid reason to dislike someone.
This thread needs to get back to something we can all agree on, like how Germans are smelly. I've never actually met one (the idea terrifies me), but I have it on good authority that Germans are indeed smelly. I'm sure any of you who've met one would gladly confirm it. And for those of you that ARE German, well firstly suck a unicorn, but secondly, perhaps you could tell us about what sort of highly caustic chemicals/hygiene products you use, and if a) they are the source of your stinkiness, or b) they are the only products you've found that can even momentarily mask your genetically innate stench?
But is there something wrong with criticising these graphics?
no no, of course not. after the first hype about the news that a new
monkey island series are at start i have think twice about the first
screenshots too. but as i see the first animations it will be absolute
ok for me. only the buldings and the life in the city are a little bit empty
what i see.
i have no problem with a discussion about the grafics,
what i mean was the notorios... ähm... whiners
@[Hunter.Wolf]
I downloaded Night of the Raving Dead. Can´t wait it comes out in German.
I'm actually a little bit worried about this episode. I played it in english and I thought the use of german phrases ("Gesundheit!") and the german accent of Jürgen was really good and funny. Dunno if they can make it to faithfully translate that. Maybe they will do it like they did in that episode of scrubs, where german patients show up.
In the german version of that episode the patients were from netherlands
Can´t download a German version? Note it´s an American company. And they´ve nothing to do with the German, French, Spanish, Italian and so on publishers.
Well, they do offer episodes of wallace & gromit with german, french, spanish, etc. subtitles. Just saying.
Hey, that brings me to a question at telltale directly: In case there will be a german version of ToMI, will it be offered on your site?
Yes, I know a few Americans who do that and it seems to have been in use for a while, because it is also said in a Darkwing Duck episode (I got the first and second season on DVD ). But luckily, they are still able to speak proper English while most people in Germany (or at least NRW) seem to lack the ability to speak German. Or any language at all, in some cases.
Even fifty year olds often don't seem to remember the German words for grapefruit, job, sorry or a lot of other words. Instead I keep hearing things like "Ich war mit meiner Family beim Shopping in der Mall"
It always makes me cringe when I have to hear people talk like that. And please, oh p l e a s e, don't even get me started on their spelling abilities! :eek:
As to German Sam and Max, I think it's pretty much the same thing as with Futurama: You hate it or you don't care. As I pointed out in an amazon review for Hit The Road, one might or might not enjoy the fact that Max has the voice of Bart Simpson. That's one thing some fans might actually like. But I myself absolutely hate it. I was just so glad I was able to get the first season of the Telltale games in English so I didn't have to listen to that voice.
Today I lend the Wii version of Sam&Max Season one (Oder auch "Season eins" wie auf dem Titelbild steht... *schauder*) from a friend. Love the translation and the german cast!
I like Max's voice in the german version, just sam's is sometimes a little bit to lame. It just lacks excitement at some moments, while the actress of max did a great job. At least in my oppinion.
Sadly, the picture quality of a Wii hooked up at a HD-LCD-TV, even with a component-cable (component-wire?), lacks - I would prefer to play the PC-Version. Maybe, in the near future, when I've already played through ToMI Episode 1, I'll look around for a copy of s&m season one at GameStop or so.
I like Max's voice in the german version, just sam's is sometimes a little bit to lame. It just lacks excitement at some moments, while the actress of max did a great job. At least in my oppinion.
Yes the same voices from Hit the Road. Sandra Schwittau as Max does a great job.
Dito! NOTRD in German would be boring. And the word "Gesundheit" is not rare in the USA. Play ZakMcKracken in English...
W&G: Mh isn´t that from the UK? I think the case is that it´s from Europe. Imho.
And I must say the insults in MI 1 are good translated!
kinda sad that people complain that TOMI is in 3d.. this is 2009 not 1990.. times have changed. If People refuse to play becasue of this.. well its their loss.
Hello? That's what we Americans DO on the Fourth Of July. We celebrate our independence and subsequent dominance of the world by getting totally shitfaced and waving firearms around until we accidentally hurt/kill ourselves, best friends, spouses, lovers, what have you. Dude, it's like the best holiday ever!
W&G: Mh isn´t that from the UK? I think the case is that it´s from Europe. Imho.
The original creators of w&g are from the uk, also the studio that made the movies. The games are from telltale, so i don't see why w&g are the only games that get german subtitles from the start.
The original creators of w&g are from the uk, also the studio that made the movies. The games are from telltale, so i don't see why w&g are the only games that get german subtitles from the start.
Because XBox Live Arcade mandates having those translations if you want to release your game through it?
But unless it's unavoidable I'd rather have Telltale spending their resources on making a good game first and worrying about translations much, much later.
np: Subway - Hal (Soul Jazz Records Singles 2008-2009 (Disc 2))
The original creators of w&g are from the uk, also the studio that made the movies. The games are from telltale, so i don't see why w&g are the only games that get german subtitles from the start.
I know it´s from Telltale :rolleyes: But I mean what I said: Because the original is from the UK.
Btw I didn´t know that. But when I saw the first preview in German TV I thought it´s UK style.
Germans.. they also shake their monkeys over stuff like Runaway, right? So there.
On a more serious note, this is not a German thing - you don't have to go any farther than the comments beneath your ToMI youtube video of choice to see this confirmed. That not everyone was going to go wowzers over this was to be expected. Kind of.
@Masta23
Yes. You must go with time. 2 D like CMI is the best. But what can we do. I don´t or can´t ignore a game only cuz of the graphics!
Btw. speaking of CMI I played CMI yesterday on 1920x1200 in 26 inch in scummvm, I almost started to "puke" even with full scaling on it looked dreadful, one of the reasons why I prefer 3d nowadays, once you ramp up the resolution 2d does not really scale!
You usually can see that after a few years :-(
Btw. speaking of CMI I played CMI yesterday on 1920x1200 in 26 inch in scummvm, I almost started to "puke" even with full scaling on it looked dreadful, one of the reasons why I prefer 3d nowadays, once you ramp up the resolution 2d does not really scale!
You usually can see that after a few years :-(
Scale all you want, 3D graphics from 1997 looks way worse today than 2D from 1997.
Btw. speaking of CMI I played CMI yesterday on 1920x1200 in 26 inch in scummvm, I almost started to "puke" even with full scaling on it looked dreadful, one of the reasons why I prefer 3d nowadays, once you ramp up the resolution 2d does not really scale!
You usually can see that after a few years :-(
It's best to leave games like that in 640x480 and let the Monitor upscale, if you force it to upscale yourself then you do get some ugly problems but if you just let the monitor deal with 640x480 itself it usually results in a much better picture for the game.
It's best to leave games like that in 640x480 and let the Monitor upscale, if you force it to upscale yourself then you do get some ugly problems but if you just let the monitor deal with 640x480 itself it usually results in a much better picture for the game.
Yes I figured that out today I will give it another try, but the problem is mostly from the fact that the monitor is 26 inch which means that it probably is better to move away a few meters. It simply shows that the game is 640x480x256, and edges and blocks you did not see back then are huge, and with huge I mean really huge!
Btw. the same goes for other things, the Wii virtual console games have similar problems, pretty much all old games.
On the other hand due to the high resolution, modern games look amazing simply stunning :-), and forget about antialiasing on those games, you can turn it off you wont need it anymore!
Still it is just a matter of getting used to, you dont play those old games for their graphics anyway so who really cares.
Scale all you want, 3D graphics from 1997 looks way worse today than 2D from 1997.
It really depends on how big you can scale those things, if you can scale them around 1280x1024 then things will become nice again, the main issue is that 320x200 our 640x480 are really low resolutions and scaling those things up causes problems, in 3d it is easier to scale into unknow resolutions because after all you dont work in pixel level anymore but relative coordinations!
It really depends on how big you can scale those things, if you can scale them around 1280x1024 then things will become nice again, the main issue is that 320x200 our 640x480 are really low resolutions and scaling those things up causes problems, in 3d it is easier to scale into unknow resolutions because after all you dont work in pixel level anymore but relative coordinations!
Nah, the low polygon count and low-res textures from mid to late nineties 3D games looks horrible, no matter how high the resolution is. Compare Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight - in any resolution you want - with CMI (both Lucasarts games from 1997), and you'll see which one has aged better.
Nah, the low polygon count and low-res textures from mid to late nineties 3D games looks horrible, no matter how high the resolution is. Compare Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight - in any resolution you want - with CMI (both Lucasarts games from 1997), and you'll see which one has aged better.
Yeah agreed, it's just the low polygon count that makes stuff so damn unpersonal. I don't feel it simply like I did in the previous games.
Yeah agreed, it's just the low polygon count that makes stuff so damn unpersonal. I don't feel it simply like I did in the previous games.
It's not how many polygons you have, it's how you use them. Have you ever played Ocarina of Time? That game still looks beautiful after all these years despite it's low polygon count. It's living proof that textures are what really matter.
I mean: What about this? Are those guys on drugs or freaking blind/dumb/insert word here?
Grapic looks absolutely poor (the rope that fetters Elaine) My god... And the plot is a bit dump as well. Guybrush arrives with his own ship. He sails alone! It seems to a low Budget production. Too sad. I think even Monkey 4 looked betterthan this. Sorry telltale. Wallace & Gromit Adventures are easy but cool games but Sam&Max and now Monkey Island... you gave them the deathblow.
Does anyone think, that the first screenshot looks better? The models were absolutley horrible, the rendered backgrounds often just bland. Modes look like total misplaced in those pre-rendered settings.
And whats about "telltale gave Sam&Max the death-blow?". Last thing i heard, was, that the majority enjoyed the games much and they got good critics nearly everywhere...
The sudden publication of Monkey Island material might throw some German adventure publishers off track, but "marketing trolls" are not what I see as a reality today. At the time, Daedalic Entertainment is the only German firm who has a major game due in the next months which could suffer from Monkey Island sales. Yet as they're doing nothing really similar to MI other than the "Whispered World" being an adventure game, I don't see an emerging threat for them.
The graphics have been criticised by many German forum visitors, some of whom have been in these forums for a very, very long time. It's highly unlikely that these are supposedly all German game producers. That just doesn't work.
I myself liked the Sam&Max-Style, particularly in the second season. I liked the same style in Wallace & Gromit (although I only played the demo); the TTG engine could almost mimic the original figures. Nonetheless, I'm not OK with the same style in ToMI.
Still, ToMI definitly seems to be one step better than MI4 graphic-wise - in my opinion. I wonder if that soothes you a bit.
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THATS not the german Adventure game community :cool:
they are only a bunch of self-love graphic fetishists!
It might well be. At least some of it. But is there something wrong with criticising these graphics? I myself have a very, very hard time accepting them. Art is long, and life is short - there should be time to discuss aspects of art in this game.
Nonetheless, let's assume that a very high percentage of the critics will eventually buy the game. That has been the case with every Monkey Island product in Germany. So there might be issues with the game - yet you can be sure, it will succeed. What's wrong with that?
why we (i) hate Sam & Max? - that's easy, because i takes 1 year until our publisher dooyoo bring out the german version of this game! And Sam & Max S. 2 was advised in begining of 2009, but now, noone knows if it comes out in end of 2009! So we wait 1 and 1,5 year for this games!
But i'm a fan of this crazy rabbit and his dog
So plz understand what i what to say. We love S&M but we hate S&M-german-version, we hate our publishers!
(i)
sorry for my eng ;/
and they fucked up a few things with translation, jokes, timing and so on...
the german version of season one is not bad, but there are a few things, that should have drawn attention from somebody...
Maybe you've seen some of my german subtitles to the MI:SE and Tales of MI trailers on YouTube.
When I first saw the title of the Thread i thought "Somebody complaining about the german guys in this forum asking for german voice overs in ToMI?"
I would like to spend my coupon for a free episode on a german episode of Sam and Max, but sadly Telltale doesn't offer the german ones on their online shop...
Ich freu' mich wie ein Schnitzel auf das Spiel
[Hunter.Wolf]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S63kSRjJ7I
Zach Braff is part German, right?
The German version being totally fscked up doesn't make the game itself bad.
Also, while I do have the German version of Sam & Max Season One I never actually played it - the installer also lets you install the original English version (it's even advertised on the box) so where's the problem?
np: The Wooden Birds - Hailey (Magnolia)
Sometimes I don´t hate SAM or the graphics but germany! :rolleyes:
Well ok I think 2D is the best. CMI! The best adventures are 2D. I don´t like 3D so much but I can live with it you fools. :cool:
But hey I applied to the graphics of Sam and Max accustomed. It looks like 2D comic. So what´s your problem?
@[Hunter.Wolf]
I downloaded Night of the Raving Dead. Can´t wait it comes out in German.
Can´t download a German version? Note it´s an American company.
@Lavrans
Well it´s hard to translate. That´s it.
thank you for this post! I am from Germany too, I really love Monkey Island AND the Telltale-Games. I am really tired of the discussion about ToMI including hatred towards 3-D-Graphics and keyboard-control. (As if it were a disaster to see MI in 3D...)
About things like atmosphere, story, dialogues, characters etc. there seems to be no discussion (the same thing about other Telltale stuff).
I am tired of reading comments like this. And I am really looking forward to ToMI!
Sincerely, Jethro Van Coughderfassenson
Actually, having a personal preferance about something before you have tried something, is pretty much a dictionary definition of "prejudgment". And is quite a valid reason to dislike someone.
Whoo! U-S-A! Happy 4th America! Where's my gun?
no no, of course not. after the first hype about the news that a new
monkey island series are at start i have think twice about the first
screenshots too. but as i see the first animations it will be absolute
ok for me. only the buldings and the life in the city are a little bit empty
what i see.
i have no problem with a discussion about the grafics,
what i mean was the notorios... ähm... whiners
Why? You wanna shoot yourself?
I'm actually a little bit worried about this episode. I played it in english and I thought the use of german phrases ("Gesundheit!") and the german accent of Jürgen was really good and funny. Dunno if they can make it to faithfully translate that. Maybe they will do it like they did in that episode of scrubs, where german patients show up.
In the german version of that episode the patients were from netherlands
Well, they do offer episodes of wallace & gromit with german, french, spanish, etc. subtitles. Just saying.
Hey, that brings me to a question at telltale directly: In case there will be a german version of ToMI, will it be offered on your site?
Can't say anything about that, but I know that the actress of Elliot is half german.
PS: Sam even says "Gesundheit" in the Sam&Max tv-show in the episode "We drop at dawn"^^
Even fifty year olds often don't seem to remember the German words for grapefruit, job, sorry or a lot of other words. Instead I keep hearing things like "Ich war mit meiner Family beim Shopping in der Mall"
It always makes me cringe when I have to hear people talk like that. And please, oh p l e a s e, don't even get me started on their spelling abilities! :eek:
As to German Sam and Max, I think it's pretty much the same thing as with Futurama: You hate it or you don't care. As I pointed out in an amazon review for Hit The Road, one might or might not enjoy the fact that Max has the voice of Bart Simpson. That's one thing some fans might actually like. But I myself absolutely hate it. I was just so glad I was able to get the first season of the Telltale games in English so I didn't have to listen to that voice.
I like Max's voice in the german version, just sam's is sometimes a little bit to lame. It just lacks excitement at some moments, while the actress of max did a great job. At least in my oppinion.
Sadly, the picture quality of a Wii hooked up at a HD-LCD-TV, even with a component-cable (component-wire?), lacks - I would prefer to play the PC-Version. Maybe, in the near future, when I've already played through ToMI Episode 1, I'll look around for a copy of s&m season one at GameStop or so.
Dito! NOTRD in German would be boring. And the word "Gesundheit" is not rare in the USA.
W&G: Mh isn´t that from the UK? I think the case is that it´s from Europe. Imho.
And I must say the insults in MI 1 are good translated!
Yes. You must go with time. 2 D like CMI is the best. But what can we do. I don´t or can´t ignore a game only cuz of the graphics!
Hello? That's what we Americans DO on the Fourth Of July. We celebrate our independence and subsequent dominance of the world by getting totally shitfaced and waving firearms around until we accidentally hurt/kill ourselves, best friends, spouses, lovers, what have you. Dude, it's like the best holiday ever!
P.S. Posting this from the ER
The original creators of w&g are from the uk, also the studio that made the movies. The games are from telltale, so i don't see why w&g are the only games that get german subtitles from the start.
But unless it's unavoidable I'd rather have Telltale spending their resources on making a good game first and worrying about translations much, much later.
np: Subway - Hal (Soul Jazz Records Singles 2008-2009 (Disc 2))
Btw I didn´t know that. But when I saw the first preview in German TV I thought it´s UK style.
On a more serious note, this is not a German thing - you don't have to go any farther than the comments beneath your ToMI youtube video of choice to see this confirmed. That not everyone was going to go wowzers over this was to be expected. Kind of.
You usually can see that after a few years :-(
Scale all you want, 3D graphics from 1997 looks way worse today than 2D from 1997.
It's best to leave games like that in 640x480 and let the Monitor upscale, if you force it to upscale yourself then you do get some ugly problems but if you just let the monitor deal with 640x480 itself it usually results in a much better picture for the game.
Oh, well, that explains it. Thx.
I didn't play Runaway 2. The reviews I read back then weren't very positive about it.
Anyway, I REALLY liked Runaway (1).
Yes I figured that out today I will give it another try, but the problem is mostly from the fact that the monitor is 26 inch which means that it probably is better to move away a few meters. It simply shows that the game is 640x480x256, and edges and blocks you did not see back then are huge, and with huge I mean really huge!
Btw. the same goes for other things, the Wii virtual console games have similar problems, pretty much all old games.
On the other hand due to the high resolution, modern games look amazing simply stunning :-), and forget about antialiasing on those games, you can turn it off you wont need it anymore!
Still it is just a matter of getting used to, you dont play those old games for their graphics anyway so who really cares.
It really depends on how big you can scale those things, if you can scale them around 1280x1024 then things will become nice again, the main issue is that 320x200 our 640x480 are really low resolutions and scaling those things up causes problems, in 3d it is easier to scale into unknow resolutions because after all you dont work in pixel level anymore but relative coordinations!
Nah, the low polygon count and low-res textures from mid to late nineties 3D games looks horrible, no matter how high the resolution is. Compare Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight - in any resolution you want - with CMI (both Lucasarts games from 1997), and you'll see which one has aged better.
Yeah agreed, it's just the low polygon count that makes stuff so damn unpersonal. I don't feel it simply like I did in the previous games.
Yes the graphics are great. And now @werpu play Indy 5 and puke again!
np: Sweet Billy Pilgrim - Bloodless Coup (Twice Born Men)
Does anyone think, that the first screenshot looks better? The models were absolutley horrible, the rendered backgrounds often just bland. Modes look like total misplaced in those pre-rendered settings.
And whats about "telltale gave Sam&Max the death-blow?". Last thing i heard, was, that the majority enjoyed the games much and they got good critics nearly everywhere...
The graphics have been criticised by many German forum visitors, some of whom have been in these forums for a very, very long time. It's highly unlikely that these are supposedly all German game producers. That just doesn't work.
I myself liked the Sam&Max-Style, particularly in the second season. I liked the same style in Wallace & Gromit (although I only played the demo); the TTG engine could almost mimic the original figures. Nonetheless, I'm not OK with the same style in ToMI.
Still, ToMI definitly seems to be one step better than MI4 graphic-wise - in my opinion. I wonder if that soothes you a bit.