Season 2 is less of a game than season 1
In season one we had some puzzles, we had exploration, we had movement. It was the true definition of an adventure game.
Season 2 is such a step back that it almost feels like an interactive novel instead of a game at this point. I am not bashing the story, or the characters or anything so before you flame me understand. i like the story, I like the characters. but the gameplay has taken a huge step back. I didn't spend 20 dollars for an interactive novel. I spent it for an adventure game that TTG has provided for the better part of their history.
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Thank god im not the only one who feels that way
Why they even decided to go this route? I don't even understand
I play for the story and dialogue choices so in my opinion story outweighs gameplay
Why can't you have both like season 1? You know, the game that was the GAME OF THE YEAR?
Just because story outweights gameplay doesn't mean that they should remove it almost completely. All we have is now "take key , insert key into button = win"
Yay down voted for giving my opinion ^^
To be fair , season 2 is not a "full" game yet, 3 more episodes to go but so far Season 1 wins imo
You know what is a good mix of interactivity and story and character development? Hubs
That also means more gameplay. Right?
I hope TT reading threads like this
Yup, as much as you can get in TWD.
At least it has more gameplay then Beyond: Two Souls.
I know this is a joke. But it really doesn't.
HOPEFULLY, hopefully we will have a legit S1-like hub in episode 3!
It wasn't a joke, I played... no I watched Beyond:Two Souls. I played The Walking Dead. Through my (AKA the player) actions I can effect to world of The Walking Dead, in Beyond, you watch a movie, and sometimes mash a button.
my old thread http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/62091/the-game-seriously-needs-a-comeback-of-hub-areas-gameplay-time-comparison
S2E2 was 80% cutscenes and 20% gameplay
I played S1E1 yesterday and in the first half of the episode there was already a lot more gameplay than there was in S2E2. I hope the remaining episodes don't follow this route. Now something i want to know, are the episodes made this way because the writers make them that way or is it the directors?
Except cut scenes are still game play in TWD, as choices are part of the gameplay so those stats make no sense.
Probably directors tbh
That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
I was wondering the same thing. Maybe it's a director thing not to make it as... open as S1's episodes. I think this new direction was taken after the reception Around Every Corner had.
Aaaaand civil discussion's gone. How sad, we were getting somewhere here.
Around Every Corner still received positive reviews , even higher scores than S2E1 but yes s1e4 dragged out quite a bit, but "Starved For Help" length is perfect(2- 2.5 hours)
How so. Making choices is gameplay, it is a means to effect the world of the game, and requires player input, unless you want whatever choice the devs make when the time runs out. Sine most of these choices happen within cut scenes a majority of cut scenes can only be deemed as gameplay.
To be fair, you do affect the world to some extent in BTS. You can decide what you do at the end of the party chapter, the homeless chapter ends differently depending on if you fuck up, and you can actually save someone's life at the end of the Navajo chapter.
The amount of gameplay wasn't what was wrong with BTS. No, BTS's problem was that ^^^all of these^^^ were part of the same disjointed, incoherent "story" that was really just random events in a girl's life shown in random order without any thematic justification.
Exactly don't know why everyone is complaining about less gameplay. For one I haven't noticed less gameplay and second like you said the choices are part of gameplay.but sigh you can't make everyone happy. All I know is I'm enjoying the game and that's all that matters
Aye, it did, but it didn't help that No Time Left, the most gameplay light episode followed it and was critically acclaimed. It's just speculation, but I can see Telltale going all: "Hmm... one long interactive episode was received poorly while the one with the most cutscenes was a smashing success. Make them all like this now."
The one that really pissed me off was when I told Ryan to fuck off THREE TIMES, and the game still made me kiss him at the end, FUCK THAT. You're right though those things do change, it's a shame none of it matters because of the weird timeline bullshit they implemented into the game. It's strange how Quantic Dream games have so much potential and they keep falling flat on their face. Maybe if they got a new director.
Stop taking "gameplay" too literally and see it as "amount of time clementine is controllable and able to click things on screen" Please look at the cabin scene and tell me how 96% of the cabin scene being cutscenes is acceptable.
I can see that. But i'm pretty sure the majority of people on forums and other sources sited Episode 2 of S1 to be the best episode of the season. And that one was the longest, and had as much gameplay as ep 4 IMO.
When you have a perfectly good environment to snoop around and a potentially interesting cast to talk to.
Right after talking to the guy making the food in the cabin, and getting ready to explore it, I was so excited thinking this was going to be a great hub. And then I was very disappointed to find out that there was absolutely nothing to do.
Oh, I'm not saying I particularly like the new direction, just speculating on why it might have gotten this way. Starved for Help was my fave, too.
EDIT: Also, I don't think it's altogether bad, but why get rid of some things that worked well enough last season?
Well if you don't mean gameplay don't say gameplay. It's acceptable because those scenes are well crafted and put together, I don't mind not being able to push to stick to have Clem move, I care more about making choices since those are what really matter most. I wouldn't mind some more puzzles or whatever, but as long as telltale can keep up their high quality storytelling, and have those gameplay, choices mean something, then I don't think there is a problem.
You and me both.
Ha, Season one "True definition of an adventure game." Season 1 we weren't going anywhere, We were just trying to Survive and figure out whats going on so exploration was important. Season Two - Were on the Move trying to go North. We don't have time to look around and explore when another groups hunting us down.
Yeah, I thought that too. It's a shame really, Telltale haven't really been you know... Telltale since No Time Left. The linear approach worked in the No Time Left and heck, I'd even say it would work in All That Remains but A House Divided was the first missed opportunity in my book for them to have proper adventure game elements in them again. Shame too, because A House Divided was a stellar episode but that one scenario put a sour taste in my mouth.
Sadly, I don't think there will be now neither. If A House Divided didn't have them I don't really see any future episodes having them. They clearly want to bring TWD (as well as TWAU) in a completely different direction in comparison to traditional adventure games with mini-hubs. The dialogue choices and combat have taken a forefront over exploration now. Dialogue would always take first place but I would happily trade cool fight scenes for explorable mini-hubs again. Though at the same time, I do say... why not both?
They did have to camp, you know? That would have made for an interesting area like the ones we are proposing, and it would be a nice callback to EP1, with Christa.
You now have a group, you may even trust and like a couple of them, but while sitting around the fire (or just the camp, since they didn't want to attract attention) you remember your lost friend. That's some nice character interactions waiting to happen!
raises hand
Just imagine all the stuff that could have been done in that cabin. Get Clem to drink some water or eat something after being outside for a day. Look around at random things just saying anything like Lee would, even a sigh would make me happy. 4 rooms and a kitchen all gone to waste.
It's funny, I'm frustrated with A House Divided because I like it very much, but can't help but feel it could've been perfect for me. Still, I wouldn't complain if the rest of the Season turns out like this one did... at least not much. :P
Same here. If they keep the episodes up at the quality of A House Divided than I'll be happy-dandy. Hubs and places to take a break and have optional conversations would make for a nice tea-break though, as well as extend playtime.