Even smart as Clem can also get Lee killed. Young people make mistakes to learn from them, and that's what make them young. It's the adults' duty to protect them and provide them opportunities to learn from mistakes, just as what they do when they're young.
And I finally understand why Crawford would make the stupid and unsustainable rule of NO KIDS...
Er....Lee just protected Clementine from anything that tried to hurt her. He actually let her be a part of the group and quite a helpful person throughout the series. He brought her with him places and didn't try to keep her away from things, he just set his mind on making sure the things he brought her to didn't hurt her. He did a damn good job of it too. But she was far from sheltered, even in episode 1. He didn't try to stop her from knowing what the world was like.
Most parents would try to shelter their children from walker's and Carlos is no exception, Lee kept Clem shelterd in season one until Lee met Chuck.
I believe that Sarah can adapt to the world just like Clem did
What is there to discuss, you want Sarah dead. I do not. Your reasons for wanting her dead is that you say she is stupid, well hell if that is the case you may as kill 90% of the people commenting in this thread.
It's obviously Sarah changed the trajectory of the bullet with her mind, how did i not see this?! Seriously you blamming Sarah for Carlos' death? Her mini noises were not attracting walkers, she was scared, even Nick was and he is a grown up, Sarah has not been exposed to the same things Clementine was, her dad died in front of her, dude you guys really gonna blame her for screaming? What if it was you then bang! Your dad get's shot in the neck, no matter how tough you are you would scream and cry, or you would be like: oh i don't care lets move on so don't blame Sarah because of that, her reaction was normal, i just get frickin mad when people blame child for her parents death, i had a situation like that and you don't know how it feels and if you do you should know she is not guilty in any way, neither for Sarita getting bit because it was Sarita's decision
To help her.
I didn't feed bullshit. :P And i did get it, And i have no respect for weak characters who can't stand for themselves and fight. Maybe you're hurt and you need to heal emotionally and then fight. That's okay, But a natural weak character piss me off.
Obviously you didn't understand what i was trying to say, and i feel it would be pointless in talking to you any further. Don't feed me bullshit and call it mashed potatoes.
Well, If they're in Sarah's shoes and if they're on the way of my survival, I will. Only the people i respect are the ones i won't doublecross. The rest are resources.
What is there to discuss, you want Sarah dead. I do not. Your reasons for wanting her dead is that you say she is stupid, well hell if that is the case you may as kill 90% of the people commenting in this thread.
Well, If they're in Sarah's shoes and if they're on the way of my survival, I will. Only the people i respect are the ones i won't doublecross. The rest are resources.
While I have been frustrated with Sarah's character at times, I don't hate her and think it's really unnecessary to call her names, especially considering the strong possibility that she has some sort of mental or emotional condition. I do feel sympathetic toward her to a certain extent and it wasn't her fault that Carlos chose to stick his head in the sand and leave her ill-prepared to handle what the world has become, but at the same time, we are where we are with her.
I just don't feel that she's innately equipped to survive in the ZA, and although I've tried as Clem to make her more aware and more prepared, I don't know that it's enough. I agree that without the protection of others and Lee's guidance Clem wouldn't have made it on her own in S1, but she was already clever and resourceful when we met her and she continued to learn, grew even more capable over time. Her potential to be a survivor was already there, it just needed to be nurtured, but Sarah is so woefully without even the basics, that no amount of direction may be able to get through to her, and thus far, it doesn't seem it has.
I'm honestly leaning toward leaving her behind right now, and it's not in a, 'Finally, OMG, Sarah sucks so bad' sort of way, but more one part pragmatism, one part dark form of mercy. She just isn't built to make it, and I'm sorry for her, but it'll be worse to keep carrying her and have her inevitable end also take someone else with her and cost the group. Again, it's not kind or fair, but I feel like it probably has to be that way. JMO.
Sorry but Lee and Carlos were not similar caretakers by any means. Even before meeting Chuck, Clementine had seen lots of nasty stuff. Lilly burning bodies at the motor inn, David/Travis dying and reanimating, etc. I don't think Lee or any other adult ever said "Clementine get out of here!! You're just a little girl!" except for when Lee dug up that poor dog. In fact, a lot of players (myself included) opted to be direct with Clementine early on and actually teach her what it takes to survive, which is the opposite of what Carlos did if you think about it. Carlos was extreme in his sheltering of Sarah, so much so that he didn't include her in the group discussions and would blatantly distract her with a funny book than let her have an inkling of what was actually going on. Plus, Sarah is 15. 15!
Most parents would try to shelter their children from walker's and Carlos is no exception, Lee kept Clem shelterd in season one until Lee met Chuck.
I believe that Sarah can adapt to the world just like Clem did
Well, Clementine saw her mom and dad as walkers in Savannah, but she still assisted Lee by getting him to shelter. She realized there was nothing she could do for them, but she could help Lee. It may not be as gruesome as what Sarah saw, but that counts for something in my book.
They were compromised because Carlos was shot. I mean seriously? How would you survive is you saw your dad shot in the neck and then eaten alive right in front of you? Would you just keep walking like it's all good?
Actually no, you are wrong. Kenny and Molly aren't like this, they both care about Clementine in Season 1. Jane i will agree with you however that is why she has the stigma she has at this point in the story.
You Comparing me to Walter is cute, nice try. I know who i am.
Actually no, you are wrong. Kenny and Molly aren't like this, they both care about Clementine in Season 1. Jane i will agree with you howev… moreer that is why she has the stigma she has at this point in the story.
You Comparing me to Walter is cute, nice try. I know who i am.
I did not say Lee and Carlos were similar caretakers and yes Clem saw alot of bad stuff but Lee still did not let Clem help much out of the Motor inn or the pharmacy until lee met Chuck and even then you can still leave Clem at the Marshal house with Omid while Lee goes to Crawford
Sorry but Lee and Carlos were not similar caretakers by any means. Even before meeting Chuck, Clementine had seen lots of nasty stuff. Lil… morely burning bodies at the motor inn, David/Travis dying and reanimating, etc. I don't think Lee or any other adult ever said "Clementine get out of here!! You're just a little girl!" except for when Lee dug up that poor dog. In fact, a lot of players (myself included) opted to be direct with Clementine early on and actually teach her what it takes to survive, which is the opposite of what Carlos did if you think about it. Carlos was extreme in his sheltering of Sarah, so much so that he didn't include her in the group discussions and would blatantly distract her with a funny book than let her have an inkling of what was actually going on. Plus, Sarah is 15. 15!
YES. but, thy was in episode 5 after lee taught her everything and taught her how to be tough and all. The same can be done for sarah. Exactly my point.
Well, Clementine saw her mom and dad as walkers in Savannah, but she still assisted Lee by getting him to shelter. She realized there was no… morething she could do for them, but she could help Lee. It may not be as gruesome as what Sarah saw, but that counts for something in my book.
See, this is what I don't get about this little conversation. All Stone is saying is that they don't understand, yet he gets downvoted due the Sarah-Haters. What's the point in that?
I can see how Sarah is a good kid and how Carlos was trying to do what he truly believed was the best thing for her. But at this stage in the game, the world and humanity are so far-gone that the slightest mistake could mean death for anybody. My concern is not so much that Sarah is annoying or naive or sheltered, its that I have a very bad feeling that she will get somebody killed. We have miraculously reunited with Kenny, grown to care for new friends, and have a pregnant woman with a baby on the way. The thought of Sarah cavorting about without a lick of damn sense in her head scares the hell out of me to be honest. So I see where you are coming from, I do, but I have been trying to help her thus far and I just can't seem to make any leeway with her.
I think a lot of the people are ignoring the obvious point that she is just a sheltered child, Or that a lot of them are kids themselves s… moreo they think of her as a contemporary, so that is why they are so harsh to her. To me she reminds me of Ben, and i loved the stuffing out of that kid. I didn't care what he did, it would never make me stop loving that stupid kid.
I didn't feed bullshit. :P And i did get it, And i have no respect for weak characters who can't stand for themselves and fight. Maybe you're hurt and you need to heal emotionally and then fight. That's okay, But a natural weak character piss me off.
While I have been frustrated with Sarah's character at times, I don't hate her and think it's really unnecessary to call her names, especial… morely considering the strong possibility that she has some sort of mental or emotional condition. I do feel sympathetic toward her to a certain extent and it wasn't her fault that Carlos chose to stick his head in the sand and leave her ill-prepared to handle what the world has become, but at the same time, we are where we are with her.
I just don't feel that she's innately equipped to survive in the ZA, and although I've tried as Clem to make her more aware and more prepared, I don't know that it's enough. I agree that without the protection of others and Lee's guidance Clem wouldn't have made it on her own in S1, but she was already clever and resourceful when we met her and she continued to learn, grew even more capable over time. Her potential to be a survivor was already there, it just needed to be n… [view original content]
See, this is what I don't get about this little conversation. All Stone is saying is that they don't understand, yet he gets downvoted due the Sarah-Haters. What's the point in that?
Well I hope we dont have to go through a whole other season of Clementine 2.0. Sarah MIGHT toughen up in another season or 2 to come but she… more is just too damned annoying. She has NO redeeming qualitys. Clementine was always kinda endearing (cute, sometimes funny, awkward) and she wasn't COMPLETELY useless like this stupid bitch is.
Nope, He would have. Walkers are drawn to noise.
About the panic attack, That's Carlos' fault for not making her face her problems earlier instead of baby-sitting her.
And i have no respect for weak characters who can't stand for themselves and fight.
They can change. Clem was THE SAME EXACT WAY in … more101. Sarah can change also.
And don't say "well Clem had a chance, Sarah doesn't"
Sarah DOES have a chance, her chances of becoming stronger as just the same as Clem's chances in 101.
Walter survived a long ass time. In the end he was killed by someone who kills the weak and let's the expirenced ones live.
That was carver. And to me, right now our soundin a hell a lot like carver.
You said that Lee kept Clementine sheltered, as did Carlos. Lee let Clementine help out plenty though, like when he told her to find something to put in the door at the pharmacy. Plus, the group sends Clementine through the air conditioning unit at the St. John's to save them. Lee may not have had an outright conversation about surviving with Clementine until he met Chuck, but he certainly depended on her in tough situations and didn't shelter her in the way Carlos sheltered Sarah.
I did not say Lee and Carlos were similar caretakers and yes Clem saw alot of bad stuff but Lee still did not let Clem help much out of the… more Motor inn or the pharmacy until lee met Chuck and even then you can still leave Clem at the Marshal house with Omid while Lee goes to Crawford
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Even smart as Clem can also get Lee killed. Young people make mistakes to learn from them, and that's what make them young. It's the adults' duty to protect them and provide them opportunities to learn from mistakes, just as what they do when they're young.
And I finally understand why Crawford would make the stupid and unsustainable rule of NO KIDS...
Er....Lee just protected Clementine from anything that tried to hurt her. He actually let her be a part of the group and quite a helpful person throughout the series. He brought her with him places and didn't try to keep her away from things, he just set his mind on making sure the things he brought her to didn't hurt her. He did a damn good job of it too. But she was far from sheltered, even in episode 1. He didn't try to stop her from knowing what the world was like.
What is there to discuss, you want Sarah dead. I do not. Your reasons for wanting her dead is that you say she is stupid, well hell if that is the case you may as kill 90% of the people commenting in this thread.
It's obviously Sarah changed the trajectory of the bullet with her mind, how did i not see this?! Seriously you blamming Sarah for Carlos' death? Her mini noises were not attracting walkers, she was scared, even Nick was and he is a grown up, Sarah has not been exposed to the same things Clementine was, her dad died in front of her, dude you guys really gonna blame her for screaming? What if it was you then bang! Your dad get's shot in the neck, no matter how tough you are you would scream and cry, or you would be like: oh i don't care lets move on so don't blame Sarah because of that, her reaction was normal, i just get frickin mad when people blame child for her parents death, i had a situation like that and you don't know how it feels and if you do you should know she is not guilty in any way, neither for Sarita getting bit because it was Sarita's decision
To help her.
I didn't feed bullshit. :P And i did get it, And i have no respect for weak characters who can't stand for themselves and fight. Maybe you're hurt and you need to heal emotionally and then fight. That's okay, But a natural weak character piss me off.
Well, If they're in Sarah's shoes and if they're on the way of my survival, I will. Only the people i respect are the ones i won't doublecross. The rest are resources.
You sound like you've played the episode... Have you? HAVE YOU????!!!!!!!
Good attitude in life, i'm sure it will get you far.
Actually, That's what it takes to survive in the ZA.
While I have been frustrated with Sarah's character at times, I don't hate her and think it's really unnecessary to call her names, especially considering the strong possibility that she has some sort of mental or emotional condition. I do feel sympathetic toward her to a certain extent and it wasn't her fault that Carlos chose to stick his head in the sand and leave her ill-prepared to handle what the world has become, but at the same time, we are where we are with her.
I just don't feel that she's innately equipped to survive in the ZA, and although I've tried as Clem to make her more aware and more prepared, I don't know that it's enough. I agree that without the protection of others and Lee's guidance Clem wouldn't have made it on her own in S1, but she was already clever and resourceful when we met her and she continued to learn, grew even more capable over time. Her potential to be a survivor was already there, it just needed to be nurtured, but Sarah is so woefully without even the basics, that no amount of direction may be able to get through to her, and thus far, it doesn't seem it has.
I'm honestly leaning toward leaving her behind right now, and it's not in a, 'Finally, OMG, Sarah sucks so bad' sort of way, but more one part pragmatism, one part dark form of mercy. She just isn't built to make it, and I'm sorry for her, but it'll be worse to keep carrying her and have her inevitable end also take someone else with her and cost the group. Again, it's not kind or fair, but I feel like it probably has to be that way. JMO.
Very constructive... Words of Irony
Anyone else find that funny. This thread.
Sorry but Lee and Carlos were not similar caretakers by any means. Even before meeting Chuck, Clementine had seen lots of nasty stuff. Lilly burning bodies at the motor inn, David/Travis dying and reanimating, etc. I don't think Lee or any other adult ever said "Clementine get out of here!! You're just a little girl!" except for when Lee dug up that poor dog. In fact, a lot of players (myself included) opted to be direct with Clementine early on and actually teach her what it takes to survive, which is the opposite of what Carlos did if you think about it. Carlos was extreme in his sheltering of Sarah, so much so that he didn't include her in the group discussions and would blatantly distract her with a funny book than let her have an inkling of what was actually going on. Plus, Sarah is 15. 15!
Well, Clementine saw her mom and dad as walkers in Savannah, but she still assisted Lee by getting him to shelter. She realized there was nothing she could do for them, but she could help Lee. It may not be as gruesome as what Sarah saw, but that counts for something in my book.
I won't waste my breath anymore if you don't listen.
Yes that is proof.
You would be expelled out of the group on day 3, eaten on day 5 with that attitude. No one likes a Starscream,
Oh, yes. Understanding by putting a gun in my face.
Nope.
Actually, Kenny is like that, Molly is like that, Jane is like that. No needs to count more.
You want to be Walter in the ZA, Be Carver's guest.
Yes it is, you just refuse to accept it.
I did explain why. No more should be said.
I don't think any kid or person, now that I think about it, deserves to be called that. It's demeaning '-'
Actually no, you are wrong. Kenny and Molly aren't like this, they both care about Clementine in Season 1. Jane i will agree with you however that is why she has the stigma she has at this point in the story.
You Comparing me to Walter is cute, nice try. I know who i am.
Yes, Who said i didn't care about anyone? I care about people who i respect. Nothing more. No idealism.
Look how Walter ended up.
I did not say Lee and Carlos were similar caretakers and yes Clem saw alot of bad stuff but Lee still did not let Clem help much out of the Motor inn or the pharmacy until lee met Chuck and even then you can still leave Clem at the Marshal house with Omid while Lee goes to Crawford
YES. but, thy was in episode 5 after lee taught her everything and taught her how to be tough and all. The same can be done for sarah. Exactly my point.
See, this is what I don't get about this little conversation. All Stone is saying is that they don't understand, yet he gets downvoted due the Sarah-Haters. What's the point in that?
I can see how Sarah is a good kid and how Carlos was trying to do what he truly believed was the best thing for her. But at this stage in the game, the world and humanity are so far-gone that the slightest mistake could mean death for anybody. My concern is not so much that Sarah is annoying or naive or sheltered, its that I have a very bad feeling that she will get somebody killed. We have miraculously reunited with Kenny, grown to care for new friends, and have a pregnant woman with a baby on the way. The thought of Sarah cavorting about without a lick of damn sense in her head scares the hell out of me to be honest. So I see where you are coming from, I do, but I have been trying to help her thus far and I just can't seem to make any leeway with her.
They can change. Clem was THE SAME EXACT WAY in 101. Sarah can change also.
And don't say "well Clem had a chance, Sarah doesn't"
Sarah DOES have a chance, her chances of becoming stronger as just the same as Clem's chances in 101.
Um, Clem corrects her immediately afterwards. It becomes evident to her that she shouldn't be careless.
^Are you my mental twin? o-0 But really, this are my exact thoughts :-)
They're impossible. Ignore 'em.
Walter survived a long ass time. In the end he was killed by someone who kills the weak and let's the expirenced ones live.
That was carver. And to me, right now our soundin a hell a lot like carver.
She is cute, in some shots, but she is
Wrong, your opinion is irrelevant and bad, bye.
Walkers would of gotten to Sarah. Carlos fell down and walkers noticed.
Sorry, Pal, No. And i explained why dozens of times. I never express an opinion without its cause.
I addressed this whole thing earlier.
I don't kill the weak, I ignore them. You're not my friend and You get in my way, You die. Simple enough.
You said that Lee kept Clementine sheltered, as did Carlos. Lee let Clementine help out plenty though, like when he told her to find something to put in the door at the pharmacy. Plus, the group sends Clementine through the air conditioning unit at the St. John's to save them. Lee may not have had an outright conversation about surviving with Clementine until he met Chuck, but he certainly depended on her in tough situations and didn't shelter her in the way Carlos sheltered Sarah.