Guys. Telltale always does this. They make a character hate-able, but when the time comes, everyone feels bad for hating the character.
Larry: Everyone hated his guts in episode 1, but the majority of the players tried to save him.
Duck: Everyone thought he was annoying in episode 1. Episode 3 comes and everyone misses him.
Ben: Everyone hates him for messing up and being the cause of Carleys/Doug's, Katjaa's, and Duck's death. When you have the choice to let him die, most of the players don't and then we know how he didn't say goodbye to his family and everyone forgives him
Sarah will have her moment too. Watch how people are going to like Sarah after that.
Possibly, if she had somewhat actually stepping up to the plate to teach her, and due to the dialogue in the post-episode trailer, I think they'll do the exact opposite. Anyways, Clementine had a "Lee", but Sarah's "Lee" didn't wish to teach her.
YES. but, thy was in episode 5 after lee taught her everything and taught her how to be tough and all. The same can be done for sarah. Exactly my point.
Valid concerns, but she wouldn't be responsible if someone got attacked by a zombie. Bad things happen, assigning blame is pointless and nonconstructive. If she did a total Ben, then maybe i could see your point but she isn't even a 3.0 on the Ben meter. However i still wouldn't leave her.
I can see how Sarah is a good kid and how Carlos was trying to do what he truly believed was the best thing for her. But at this stage in t… morehe game, the world and humanity are so far-gone that the slightest mistake could mean death for anybody. My concern is not so much that Sarah is annoying or naive or sheltered, its that I have a very bad feeling that she will get somebody killed. We have miraculously reunited with Kenny, grown to care for new friends, and have a pregnant woman with a baby on the way. The thought of Sarah cavorting about without a lick of damn sense in her head scares the hell out of me to be honest. So I see where you are coming from, I do, but I have been trying to help her thus far and I just can't seem to make any leeway with her.
@ Don't_Look_Back: Clementine was already strong. Everyone who met her could say that she has been strong, or was already strong. But to say in your defense, I would ask everyone to look towards the wise words on Charles: "She'll die a little girl if you treat her like one. You gotta consider her a living person. That's it. You're either living or you're not. You ain't little, you ain't a girl, you ain't a boy, you ain't strong or smart. You're alive."
And i have no respect for weak characters who can't stand for themselves and fight.
They can change. Clem was THE SAME EXACT WAY in … more101. Sarah can change also.
And don't say "well Clem had a chance, Sarah doesn't"
Sarah DOES have a chance, her chances of becoming stronger as just the same as Clem's chances in 101.
Its funny because I thought Larry was a prick up until his death, I always felt a fatherly instinct for Duck, and I resented Ben for the bandit ordeal until I dropped him.
I can definitely see TTG making Sarah say something cute/innocent with big Bambi eyes right before the big decision, haha. They have been trying to change player perception a lot this season by trying so hard with Luke and completely changing Rebecca's personality after episode 1.
Guys. Telltale always does this. They make a character hate-able, but when the time comes, everyone feels bad for hating the character.
L… morearry: Everyone hated his guts in episode 1, but the majority of the players tried to save him.
Duck: Everyone thought he was annoying in episode 1. Episode 3 comes and everyone misses him.
Ben: Everyone hates him for messing up and being the cause of Carleys/Doug's, Katjaa's, and Duck's death. When you have the choice to let him die, most of the players don't and then we know how he didn't say goodbye to his family and everyone forgives him
Sarah will have her moment too. Watch how people are going to like Sarah after that.
See, this is what I don't get about this little conversation. All Stone is saying is that they don't understand, yet he gets downvoted due the Sarah-Haters. What's the point in that?
We just simply don't know what will happen yet. If somebody gets bit out of nowhere like Lee did, that will suck but I wouldn't try to rationalize it by blaming Sarah or anything. I just have a sinking feeling that Sarah WILL pull a total Ben move, but by that point it could be too late entirely. I wish she would show me some kind of sign that she might be capable, like if something went down if she were able to think straight and save somebody I wouldn't have these fears. But she nearly "ceased to function" at Carver's place, I can only assume this will worsen with the group on the road and Carlos dead.
Valid concerns, but she wouldn't be responsible if someone got attacked by a zombie. Bad things happen, assigning blame is pointless and no… morenconstructive. If she did a total Ben, then maybe i could see your point but she isn't even a 3.0 on the Ben meter. However i still wouldn't leave her.
I did not compare Lee to Carlos and your missing my point, Lee only allows Clem to help in Hub areas where it is safe for her but I am not talking about Hubs areas. I'm talking about saving Gleen in episode 1 and fighting walkers which does not involve Clem in dangerous situations until Lee talks to Chuck, Clem killed no walkers in the 1st halve of season 1
The only reason Lee let Clem go through the air conditioning unit is that Lee had no choice but to let Clem go as nobody else could fit through.
You said that Lee kept Clementine sheltered, as did Carlos. Lee let Clementine help out plenty though, like when he told her to find someth… moreing to put in the door at the pharmacy. Plus, the group sends Clementine through the air conditioning unit at the St. John's to save them. Lee may not have had an outright conversation about surviving with Clementine until he met Chuck, but he certainly depended on her in tough situations and didn't shelter her in the way Carlos sheltered Sarah.
Was it a hub area when walkers were breaking down the door to the pharmacy? When everyone was panicking and Doug/Carley got eaten? MY point is that Lee knew Clem was a smart and capable young girl who he could depend on in a hairy situation. Carlos sheltered Sarah so badly that he would never be able to depend on her in such a way.
I did not compare Lee to Carlos and your missing my point, Lee only allows Clem to help in Hub areas where it is safe for her but I am not t… morealking about Hubs areas. I'm talking about saving Gleen in episode 1 and fighting walkers which does not involve Clem in dangerous situations until Lee talks to Chuck, Clem killed no walkers in the 1st halve of season 1
The only reason Lee let Clem go through the air conditioning unit is that Lee had no choice but to let Clem go as nobody else could fit through.
Yes, Sarah has fucked up a lot of stuff during her time in the ZA but you still shouldn't wish death upon her. I think she needs to become stronger so she can survive but I'm not gonna be an asshole to her, I don't understand why you would think it was her fault that her dad died. When someone gets shot in the neck and pulled apart by 2 zombies that's not exactly something you can blame someone for and Sarita should have been watching out for herself, if you're in a whole damn herd of walkers you need to be careful and have your eyes peeled for anything that's going to nom on your damn arm. I like Sarita and I wished it wouldn't have happened but she should have been more careful
We just simply don't know what will happen yet. If somebody gets bit out of nowhere like Lee did, that will suck but I wouldn't try to rati… moreonalize it by blaming Sarah or anything. I just have a sinking feeling that Sarah WILL pull a total Ben move, but by that point it could be too late entirely. I wish she would show me some kind of sign that she might be capable, like if something went down if she were able to think straight and save somebody I wouldn't have these fears. But she nearly "ceased to function" at Carver's place, I can only assume this will worsen with the group on the road and Carlos dead.
I strongly disapprove. Which doesn't account for much, but seriously. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, and I respect that. But this is just insanely stupid and annoying.
"Her father just died because because of her stupidity!"
Um, no, he didn't. Carlos died because a stray bullet happened to hit his neck, causing him to fall over from shock and pain. The walkers noticed him, and proceeded to do what they do. The bullet's and Carver's men's fault, not hers.
"I understand that she is sheltered but ughhhh."
Ahh, umm, no, you clearly don't. You don't 'understand' that Sarah's being sheltered is the reason she acts the way she does if you're wasting your time being a whiny bitch about it on the forums.
They've done this with Ben, Duck, and Larry, and they'll do it with Sarah and many other characters in the future. TellTale makes us hate that character, but when they do eventually die, we feel bad in some way and wish they didn't suffer the way they did, because they're human.
So, to wrap it up, (man this is like a school project) you clearly don't understand anything about Sarah and how TellTale plans to develop her character whatsoever by acting this way. The majority of players will probably end up liking her in some way, and you'll just be here. A Sarah hater.
I mean, these characters are only human. Do you really expect them to be perfect?? If so, you've got a lot coming, bud.
EDIT: oh no dislikes my opinion is now ruined damn
I agree with "Lee knew Clem was a smart and capable young girl" but the walkers had still not broken in to the pharmacy at that point, he told Clem to find somthing for the door to keep her useful.
Please do a list When Lee allowed Clementime to be useful outside of hubs area before Chuck met Lee (excluding the air conditioning scene)
And I am not defending Carlos
Was it a hub area when walkers were breaking down the door to the pharmacy? When everyone was panicking and Doug/Carley got eaten? MY poin… moret is that Lee knew Clem was a smart and capable young girl who he could depend on in a hairy situation. Carlos sheltered Sarah so badly that he would never be able to depend on her in such a way.
It's funny how people bitch at Sarah screaming when Carlos died in her face but no one ever gives Clem shit for her talking to the stranger for weeks and going with him indirectly getting Lee killed. And before people say the stranger kidnapped her, she could have screamed or done anything to let Christa, Omid, Ben, Kenny, or Lee know what the fuck is happening.
I strongly disapprove. Which doesn't account for much, but seriously. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, and I respect that. But thi… mores is just insanely stupid and annoying.
"Her father just died because because of her stupidity!"
Um, no, he didn't. Carlos died because a stray bullet happened to hit his neck, causing him to fall over from shock and pain. The walkers noticed him, and proceeded to do what they do. The bullet's and Carver's men's fault, not hers.
"I understand that she is sheltered but ughhhh."
Ahh, umm, no, you clearly don't. You don't 'understand' that Sarah's being sheltered is the reason she acts the way she does if you're wasting your time being a whiny bitch about it on the forums.
They've done this with Ben, Duck, and Larry, and they'll do it with Sarah and many other characters in the future. TellTale makes us hate that character, but when they do eventually die, we feel bad in some way and wish they… [view original content]
Good point I was sad and mad that Clementine had left us for a guy who was claiming he had her parents, At that age I wouldn't have believed anyone if they said they had my parents with them unless I heard them on the radio, Clem should have consulted Lee. I know she was upset but I just wish she wouldn't have ran off
It's funny how people bitch at Sarah screaming when Carlos died in her face but no one ever gives Clem shit for her talking to the stranger … morefor weeks and going with him indirectly getting Lee killed. And before people say the stranger kidnapped her, she could have screamed or done anything to let Christa, Omid, Ben, Kenny, or Lee know what the fuck is happening.
Not that I hate Clementine.
It's not like she's a real person so stop acting like i'm despicable for not liking the character. All i'm saying is, if it were my story she'd be dead by now. The moral of the story is... the weak DIE in the ZA and it's time to MAN THE FUCK UP.
Yes, Sarah has fucked up a lot of stuff during her time in the ZA but you still shouldn't wish death upon her. I think she needs to become s… moretronger so she can survive but I'm not gonna be an asshole to her, I don't understand why you would think it was her fault that her dad died. When someone gets shot in the neck and pulled apart by 2 zombies that's not exactly something you can blame someone for and Sarita should have been watching out for herself, if you're in a whole damn herd of walkers you need to be careful and have your eyes peeled for anything that's going to nom on your damn arm. I like Sarita and I wished it wouldn't have happened but she should have been more careful
Her father just died because because of her stupidity!
You might want to play the episode before you tear apart one of its characters. Carlos died because a stray bullet grazed his neck, and his screams brought the zombies down on him. It had nothing to do with Sarah.
TellTale makes characters imperfect so perfectionists who can't tolerate characters like Ben, Nick, or Sarah will get assmad over the fact that they still live. Actually, if you were in the ZA, you'd be a fuckin' pro right? You'd never get killed and be like Rambo or Left 4 Dead or something else that shows people being drastically better than the average person. You wouldn't go crazy over your dad getting shot then eaten in your face at all huh?
It's funny how people bitch at Sarah screaming when Carlos died in her face but no one ever gives Clem shit for her talking to the stranger … morefor weeks and going with him indirectly getting Lee killed. And before people say the stranger kidnapped her, she could have screamed or done anything to let Christa, Omid, Ben, Kenny, or Lee know what the fuck is happening.
Not that I hate Clementine.
Larry was a prick and I was glad that he died. Duck was just a kooky little boy. Ben, as much as he was frustrating, there was sympathy there because he always had good intentions, but I still scolded him constantly for his actions.
Sarah is dull, annoying and useless. If TTG plan on keeping the character around for the next two episodes I seriously hope they give SOMETHING to like about her. It's almost like they are assuming we want to protect her purely for the fact she is a little girl... i'm sorry but that just doesn't cut it for me.
Its funny because I thought Larry was a prick up until his death, I always felt a fatherly instinct for Duck, and I resented Ben for the ban… moredit ordeal until I dropped him.
I can definitely see TTG making Sarah say something cute/innocent with big Bambi eyes right before the big decision, haha. They have been trying to change player perception a lot this season by trying so hard with Luke and completely changing Rebecca's personality after episode 1.
Her father just died because because of her stupidity!
You might want to play the episode before you tear apart one of its character… mores. Carlos died because a stray bullet grazed his neck, and his screams brought the zombies down on him. It had nothing to do with Sarah.
I don't blame you for not liking the character she's messed up I know this, i'm simply saying that no matter how much someone messes up you shouldn't wish death upon them and it's not like i'm saying you're despicable I don't care if you think she's annoying I just think you should at least wait until the whole season is over before saying that you completely hate her maybe she can do something that will make her character more interesting and necessary for the plot, So yet again think what you want I don't blame you for not liking her but just give her a chance
"you still shouldn't wish death upon her"
It's not like she's a real person so stop acting like i'm despicable for not liking the charact… moreer. All i'm saying is, if it were my story she'd be dead by now. The moral of the story is... the weak DIE in the ZA and it's time to MAN THE FUCK UP.
Gotta MAN THE FUCK UP? I wonder what happened to some of those who MANNED THE FUCK UP. Carver died, Crawford is overrun, Lee died, the St. Johns are most likely dead even if you spared Andy and Danny, Larry's dead, those 3 guys from the beginning of the game may be dead(Winston is, Victor is most likely, and Ralph could be), did I forget anyone else who MANNED THE FUCK UP?
"you still shouldn't wish death upon her"
It's not like she's a real person so stop acting like i'm despicable for not liking the charact… moreer. All i'm saying is, if it were my story she'd be dead by now. The moral of the story is... the weak DIE in the ZA and it's time to MAN THE FUCK UP.
Gotta MAN THE FUCK UP? I wonder what happened to some of those who MANNED THE FUCK UP. Carver died, Crawford is overrun, Lee died, the St. J… moreohns are most likely dead even if you spared Andy and Danny, Larry's dead, those 3 guys from the beginning of the game may be dead(Winston is, Victor is most likely, and Ralph could be), did I forget anyone else who MANNED THE FUCK UP?
What I mean by that is the way those characters are originally developed don't catch most of our fancies. You also are not professional whatsoever throughout your post and present no legitimate facts that support you claim.
At the end of the day, the character is purposefully annoying. She's almost intolerable. The sole purpose of her character is to push our morality to the limits. There is no denying all of this. This isn't whining. I'm just stating facts.
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Guys. Telltale always does this. They make a character hate-able, but when the time comes, everyone feels bad for hating the character.
Larry: Everyone hated his guts in episode 1, but the majority of the players tried to save him.
Duck: Everyone thought he was annoying in episode 1. Episode 3 comes and everyone misses him.
Ben: Everyone hates him for messing up and being the cause of Carleys/Doug's, Katjaa's, and Duck's death. When you have the choice to let him die, most of the players don't and then we know how he didn't say goodbye to his family and everyone forgives him
Sarah will have her moment too. Watch how people are going to like Sarah after that.
Possibly, if she had somewhat actually stepping up to the plate to teach her, and due to the dialogue in the post-episode trailer, I think they'll do the exact opposite. Anyways, Clementine had a "Lee", but Sarah's "Lee" didn't wish to teach her.
Isn't every opinion relevant in its own way?
If you don't kill the weak and ignore them, then why don't you change that other comment you posted eirlier saying the Sarah should, "die already"
Valid concerns, but she wouldn't be responsible if someone got attacked by a zombie. Bad things happen, assigning blame is pointless and nonconstructive. If she did a total Ben, then maybe i could see your point but she isn't even a 3.0 on the Ben meter. However i still wouldn't leave her.
@ Don't_Look_Back: Clementine was already strong. Everyone who met her could say that she has been strong, or was already strong. But to say in your defense, I would ask everyone to look towards the wise words on Charles: "She'll die a little girl if you treat her like one. You gotta consider her a living person. That's it. You're either living or you're not. You ain't little, you ain't a girl, you ain't a boy, you ain't strong or smart. You're alive."
It was a joke, Expressing annoyance at her. That's all.
Its funny because I thought Larry was a prick up until his death, I always felt a fatherly instinct for Duck, and I resented Ben for the bandit ordeal until I dropped him.
I can definitely see TTG making Sarah say something cute/innocent with big Bambi eyes right before the big decision, haha. They have been trying to change player perception a lot this season by trying so hard with Luke and completely changing Rebecca's personality after episode 1.
depends on the audience ^_^
Clemmy1 STRONGLY disapproves
/ Sarah is a good girl and not used to seeing the only person in her life ripped to pieces by walkers in front of her.
Haters gotta Hate
We just simply don't know what will happen yet. If somebody gets bit out of nowhere like Lee did, that will suck but I wouldn't try to rationalize it by blaming Sarah or anything. I just have a sinking feeling that Sarah WILL pull a total Ben move, but by that point it could be too late entirely. I wish she would show me some kind of sign that she might be capable, like if something went down if she were able to think straight and save somebody I wouldn't have these fears. But she nearly "ceased to function" at Carver's place, I can only assume this will worsen with the group on the road and Carlos dead.
I did not compare Lee to Carlos and your missing my point, Lee only allows Clem to help in Hub areas where it is safe for her but I am not talking about Hubs areas. I'm talking about saving Gleen in episode 1 and fighting walkers which does not involve Clem in dangerous situations until Lee talks to Chuck, Clem killed no walkers in the 1st halve of season 1
The only reason Lee let Clem go through the air conditioning unit is that Lee had no choice but to let Clem go as nobody else could fit through.
Nah.
Was it a hub area when walkers were breaking down the door to the pharmacy? When everyone was panicking and Doug/Carley got eaten? MY point is that Lee knew Clem was a smart and capable young girl who he could depend on in a hairy situation. Carlos sheltered Sarah so badly that he would never be able to depend on her in such a way.
Yes, Sarah has fucked up a lot of stuff during her time in the ZA but you still shouldn't wish death upon her. I think she needs to become stronger so she can survive but I'm not gonna be an asshole to her, I don't understand why you would think it was her fault that her dad died. When someone gets shot in the neck and pulled apart by 2 zombies that's not exactly something you can blame someone for and Sarita should have been watching out for herself, if you're in a whole damn herd of walkers you need to be careful and have your eyes peeled for anything that's going to nom on your damn arm. I like Sarita and I wished it wouldn't have happened but she should have been more careful
i like your optimism.
All we need now are magic rings.
I don't have the heart to abandon a girl in the ZA who in reality has no one left.
I strongly disapprove. Which doesn't account for much, but seriously. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, and I respect that. But this is just insanely stupid and annoying.
"Her father just died because because of her stupidity!"
Um, no, he didn't. Carlos died because a stray bullet happened to hit his neck, causing him to fall over from shock and pain. The walkers noticed him, and proceeded to do what they do. The bullet's and Carver's men's fault, not hers.
"I understand that she is sheltered but ughhhh."
Ahh, umm, no, you clearly don't. You don't 'understand' that Sarah's being sheltered is the reason she acts the way she does if you're wasting your time being a whiny bitch about it on the forums.
They've done this with Ben, Duck, and Larry, and they'll do it with Sarah and many other characters in the future. TellTale makes us hate that character, but when they do eventually die, we feel bad in some way and wish they didn't suffer the way they did, because they're human.
So, to wrap it up, (man this is like a school project) you clearly don't understand anything about Sarah and how TellTale plans to develop her character whatsoever by acting this way. The majority of players will probably end up liking her in some way, and you'll just be here. A Sarah hater.
I mean, these characters are only human. Do you really expect them to be perfect?? If so, you've got a lot coming, bud.
EDIT: oh no dislikes my opinion is now ruined damn
I agree with "Lee knew Clem was a smart and capable young girl" but the walkers had still not broken in to the pharmacy at that point, he told Clem to find somthing for the door to keep her useful.
Please do a list When Lee allowed Clementime to be useful outside of hubs area before Chuck met Lee (excluding the air conditioning scene)
And I am not defending Carlos
To Kroger's toy machines!
It's funny how people bitch at Sarah screaming when Carlos died in her face but no one ever gives Clem shit for her talking to the stranger for weeks and going with him indirectly getting Lee killed. And before people say the stranger kidnapped her, she could have screamed or done anything to let Christa, Omid, Ben, Kenny, or Lee know what the fuck is happening.
Not that I hate Clementine.
"Telltale makes us hate that character"
So basically you're agreeing with me? LMAO
Good point I was sad and mad that Clementine had left us for a guy who was claiming he had her parents, At that age I wouldn't have believed anyone if they said they had my parents with them unless I heard them on the radio, Clem should have consulted Lee. I know she was upset but I just wish she wouldn't have ran off
"you still shouldn't wish death upon her"
It's not like she's a real person so stop acting like i'm despicable for not liking the character. All i'm saying is, if it were my story she'd be dead by now. The moral of the story is... the weak DIE in the ZA and it's time to MAN THE FUCK UP.
Did you even read the rest of my post
You might want to play the episode before you tear apart one of its characters. Carlos died because a stray bullet grazed his neck, and his screams brought the zombies down on him. It had nothing to do with Sarah.
TellTale makes characters imperfect so perfectionists who can't tolerate characters like Ben, Nick, or Sarah will get assmad over the fact that they still live. Actually, if you were in the ZA, you'd be a fuckin' pro right? You'd never get killed and be like Rambo or Left 4 Dead or something else that shows people being drastically better than the average person. You wouldn't go crazy over your dad getting shot then eaten in your face at all huh?
I know really, I was under the assumption she left willingly with him because he told her he had her parents, wasn't the best choice on her part 0_o.
Larry was a prick and I was glad that he died. Duck was just a kooky little boy. Ben, as much as he was frustrating, there was sympathy there because he always had good intentions, but I still scolded him constantly for his actions.
Sarah is dull, annoying and useless. If TTG plan on keeping the character around for the next two episodes I seriously hope they give SOMETHING to like about her. It's almost like they are assuming we want to protect her purely for the fact she is a little girl... i'm sorry but that just doesn't cut it for me.
Someone else shoots Carlos
"OH NO ITS SARAHS FAULT"
I wonder what she did to cause his death? Maybe she curved the bullet or something to his neck.
I don't blame you for not liking the character she's messed up I know this, i'm simply saying that no matter how much someone messes up you shouldn't wish death upon them and it's not like i'm saying you're despicable I don't care if you think she's annoying I just think you should at least wait until the whole season is over before saying that you completely hate her maybe she can do something that will make her character more interesting and necessary for the plot, So yet again think what you want I don't blame you for not liking her but just give her a chance
I did but if what you are saying that Telltale are trying to make us hate this character, what is your problem with my opinion?
I honestly felt kind of betrayed by Clem for going with him and dropping us like a hot potato
Gotta MAN THE FUCK UP? I wonder what happened to some of those who MANNED THE FUCK UP. Carver died, Crawford is overrun, Lee died, the St. Johns are most likely dead even if you spared Andy and Danny, Larry's dead, those 3 guys from the beginning of the game may be dead(Winston is, Victor is most likely, and Ralph could be), did I forget anyone else who MANNED THE FUCK UP?
It's the fact that you're pretty much just whining through your entire post.
"Don't indulge him BenUseful it's always something with this guy"
What I mean by that is the way those characters are originally developed don't catch most of our fancies. You also are not professional whatsoever throughout your post and present no legitimate facts that support you claim.
At the end of the day, the character is purposefully annoying. She's almost intolerable. The sole purpose of her character is to push our morality to the limits. There is no denying all of this. This isn't whining. I'm just stating facts.