I felt horrible for clementine when kenny yelled at her. And then i tried to patch things up with him later, and yet he was still mad at me, especially after i wanted to let rebecca rest for a few days.
So on my second playthrough i tried saying "you're not the only one who's lost people" and that made it even worse. Kenny's not....um exaculy the nicest person.
You think because you're a little girl you can just get people killed and no one will care?
That's kinda true if you think about it, if it weren't for Clem running away Lee would still be alive.
He does bitch at Clem, and I can totally understand why. I know this from personal experience - when people are depressed or angry, they oft… moreen push away the people they're closest to. I suspect he wanted to feel worthless, hated and alone. That would mean giving up wouldn't cause anyone sadness or pain. Trust me, I know.
I strongly dislike Luke, but I'm not holding a grudge against him for dropping Clem, hiding Matthew's murder, getting caught stealing the food or banging Jane. Holding a grudge won't solve anything, and I can empathize with why he did those things. People are often more forgiving of the folks they like then the folks they dislike. Honestly, I myself have been guilty of this at times.
I'm sure everyone complaining he was out of line would do the exact same thing.
Positive you guys would. Who wouldn't? I mean he had just lost someone he loved.
No he wasn't. Kenny lost a lot more than clementine has, he was just very emotional. And what Kenny said was true, it wasn't her fault that Sarita died but she did cause others to die before. What he also said about her being a little girl doesn't mean she can get people killed and make up for it by saying sorry just because she's a little girl is also true.
Yeah, that's kinda how this whole "pizza and ice cream" choice would play out if it related to Luke and Kenny. By now we all seen to know who we like, and we'll always seem to find a way to empathize the person we choose, despite whatever they do. I mean, i'm probably wrong, but who knows.
I strongly dislike Luke, but I'm not holding a grudge against him for dropping Clem, hiding Matthew's murder, getting caught stealing the fo… moreod or banging Jane. Holding a grudge won't solve anything, and I can empathize with why he did those things. People are often more forgiving of the folks they like then the folks they dislike. Honestly, I myself have been guilty of this at times.
I didn't take it personalty, I knew why he was upset and half expected him to act this way. You can't win with Kenny sometimes, but that doesn't make him a bad guy. He knew why we did it. Kenny just lost someone he loved, so he is angry and just ragging on anything and anyone that comes his way for a time. He eventually comes around and realizes that there was no choice, with Luke being a but wipe this episode, Kenny really becomes the leader that we all knew he could be. Kenny and Clementine have been together since season 1, a lot of bad has happened, but the bad stuff made them closer, because they experienced it together.
"Shit... sometimes I forget you're still a kid. Sorry Clementine, for burdening you with this." - Kenny. Not exact words, but it's closely along the lines of it.
Hopefully Kenny will get the chance to apologize for that comment, I felt bad for Clem when Kenny said that. I'm sure she already feels guilty enough for Lee, Omid's death, and to tell someone they were the cause of it, was just exceedingly cruel.
No he wasn't. Kenny lost a lot more than clementine has, he was just very emotional. And what Kenny said was true, it wasn't her fault that … moreSarita died but she did cause others to die before. What he also said about her being a little girl doesn't mean she can get people killed and make up for it by saying sorry just because she's a little girl is also true.
Kenny is sensitive, he lightens up later on after he's thought about it. Of course he's upset, think about the person you love most, imagine having even the slightest reason to blame someone else and ta-da! You have a Kenny-Clementine situation. He's lost so much and Sarita really 'brought him back' from that brink. I think he just needs somebody to love and care for, which is why he's attached to the baby off the bat. He's an American family man without a family.
Well, he wasn't very successful in trying to kill Ben. But I would say that lunging at someone while screaming that you are going to kill them qualifies as an attempt, no matter how incapable he was of overcoming other's resistance in that situation.
Yeah, Ben was an idiot. So let's excuse Kenny for making a bad situation worse by putting everyone at much greater risk and getting Brie killed. Let's get the door open (after kicking it for several minutes, apparently) and then have a long argument while the door is being broken down. Real smart, Kenny. Right up there with Ben.
And, hey, good for Kenny for stepping up to take a beating when no one asked him to. He gets an occasional hero complex that he likes to act out. He probably wanted to be beaten to death even before it started. Clementine would have been struck by Carver, probably, but Kenny had already killed some of Carver's men, was an adult, and was openly defiant. Clementine never would have gotten that sort of beating. If Kenny thinks Clementine needs to take responsibility like an adult, then he needs to honor her decisions and let her take responsibility like an adult.
He tried to kill Ben because Ben tried to help his friend. He almost got everyone killed at Crawford because he couldn't wait to have that c… moreonfrontation.
Really? When did he try to kill Ben? I don't know but I think maybe he lashed out at Ben because Ben played a hand in the death of Kenny's family, maybe that's why he reacted the way he did. And the last I checked, he wasn't the one that removed the axe from the door that let the Walkers in.
she's got no reason to have any loyalty toward him.
Well he did take a beating half to death by a madman just so he wouldn't inflict harm on Clementine.
I don't think Kenny actually blames Clem. I think he just said that because Clem was the closest one to Sarita and Kenny couldn't protect her, he knows it was nobody's fault and Kenny was just blowing off steam.
It was either take a HUGE risk by chopping her arm off, or ensure her death by leaving it on. People were willing to take that risk, and Kenny shouldn't blame Clem for taking that risk for him.
I was friendly and calm to him in my playthrough, I was afraid that he would attack Clem or something, if he did I would have had to kill hi… morem. Trust me, he's a lot more calm if you don't chop her arm off. You basically killed Sarita by chopping off her arm off. Over 80% either didn't think logical about the situation and that it would get Sarita killed, or they just wanted Kenny to suffer or something.
Let me get this strait, while waiting for ep, these forums have been filled with "will kenny break" "will kenny commit suicide" "kenny is a danger to the group" then we get ep4 and your on his back because he blew off some steam after which he got his shit together and put his own feelings of sarita, his son and wife and delivered a baby...?¿ personly I think kenny showed how strong a man he really is in ep4, I trust him more than ever now, he was the only good thing about ep4 imo the rest was weak, and that says a lot about S2 that we are still feeding off a S1 relationship, but thats another post for later.... no I don't think kenny was out of line one bit.....
In his defense, at that moment he has more reason than anyone else in the group to be upset and DID request just to be left alone. I am not saying he had a right to, but many people would look for someone to blame in his situation. He snapped out of it later and started looking out for the group again despite just losing all reason to live, not to mention he was actually doing a damn good job of being a leader for once(in the past his plans have always been half-baked, but this episode he was on top of things). I think he deserves some credit for that.
Everyone has their own way of dealing with things....Kenny's is hating everyone for a while. Sarah's was reverting to a potato. Jane's was being a heartless person to everyone. Etc. Still, in my second playthrough, I loved telling Kenny off. Got to tell him "I had to shoot Lee, you're not the only one who's lost people!" Best thing ever.
Edit : As for the not apologizing thing, he DID have a lot to worry about, like being the only one with any experience helping a woman through childbirth and trying to lead the group. He also probably wanted to just pretend it didn't happen. Though I will admit, I am very disappointed he didn't even mention so much as a 'sorry'. I hope there is a chance to talk to him about things more in episode 5.
One of my favourite, more subtle moments in this episode is when you're trying to calm Rebbeca during the prelude to her son's birth.
If you glance over at Kenny when responding with"You've gone through too much to give up now" you can see this moment of self-realisation wash over his face. I thought it was a real nice touch to have a sentence carry so much meaning for all three characters in that situation.
Bit of a shame that I had to later remind him that he was not the father of Rebecca's baby. Quit being so possessive, Kenny. Y'all still got Clementine.
Oh please. I'm one of clem's biggest fan but even I can understand Kenny's point of view. You guys surely underestimate what Clem can handle… more. She doesn't need her bodyguard to fight her battles for her and beat anyone who dares to talk her some truth. She's not a baby like Sarah. She stands her ground when Kenny yell at her. In season 1, she would have cried. Shows how Clem had gone a long way since her season 1 persona.
In his defense, at that moment he has more reason than anyone else in the group to be upset and DID request just to be left alone. I am not… more saying he had a right to, but many people would look for someone to blame in his situation. He snapped out of it later and started looking out for the group again despite just losing all reason to live, not to mention he was actually doing a damn good job of being a leader for once(in the past his plans have always been half-baked, but this episode he was on top of things). I think he deserves some credit for that.
Everyone has their own way of dealing with things....Kenny's is hating everyone for a while. Sarah's was reverting to a potato. Jane's was being a heartless person to everyone. Etc. Still, in my second playthrough, I loved telling Kenny off. Got to tell him "I had to shoot Lee, you're not the only one who's lost people!" Best thing ever.
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Well I didn't expect him to be like: "Oh its ok Clementine I forgive you for chopping off my girlfriend's hand." I mean, I know there was no… more stopping it, but did you REALLY think he would be hunky dory after that and be so forgiving that quick? He has lost A LOT of close people during the apocalypse. Also, someone died. It wasn't like someone stole his hat or anything. I was still a little pissed off at Kenny though.
I’ve never particularly liked Kenny, but my opinion of him is now at an all time low.
He had no right to blow up at Clem, knowing she’s lost even more loved ones than Kenny and she never attacked anyone over her grief like that. Lee, Omid, Christa, her parents, and pretty much all of her potential friends (Duck, Ben, Sarah, Nick…) Clem’s hurt expression when Kenny yelled at her honestly made me want to kill him. Imagine if Lee had been there. Even worse because we know Clem blames herself for Lee and Omid’s deaths. How dare he tell her “just because you’re a little girl, you think no one will care if you get someone killed?”
As if Kenny would not have done the exact same thing if someone else’s loved one had been bitten. And his reaction if Clem tells him she shot Lee and calls him out on his hypocrisy? “I don’t need to hear this shit?” What shit? The little girl you supposedly care about is pouring her heart out to you, nearly sobbing, and you don’t even have the decency to acknowledge her?
And the worst part? I doubt he even truly loved Sarita. If you don’t cut off her hand, she asks Kenny offscreen to end her suffering, but Kenny refuses because of his selfish hope that Sarita won’t turn. He condemns her to a slow, painful death against her wishes because he refuses to accept reality and his responsibilities.
I know Kenny wasn’t a bad person, but guess what. A lot of the characters were never bad people. He’s crossed the moral event horizon for me, and I don’t think anything he ever does is bringing him back in my eyes. I miss Christa
I think he was way out of line at that moment. Seriously, yell at a little girl who tried to save his girlfriend from getting eaten and blame her for his girlfriends dead. She did what she though was right. She cut of her arm, so Sarita had a chance to live. Would Kenny want Clementine to not give a fuck about her, since he said he would've preffered her to do nothing, why couldn't we just had walked away from Sarita, and then see what Kenny would've said instead. He was a way out of line, and i just wanted to say ''Fuck you, Kenny'' when he blamed Clem. Poor girl.
Kenny is a character who has been through lots of trauma, so have the other characters I know, but he doesn't take it well, in my opinion. Kenny also seems to have anger issues and doesn't understand what he does or says during his "expressive" actions. I still like Kenny because I grew attached to him, and I believe that he loves Clementine, he just needed someone to blame, I mean his wife died, again. He saw both of them die, too.
But it wasn't her fault to begin with. Things happened and Clem tried to help. But Sarita died. I know it's hard for Ken. But if he wants to be an adult and give orders, he has to stop seeing only himself and his problems. I'm sorry Ken I know it sucks. But you don't let it consume you. Mourn her yes but don't go into a fury. Other people have problems too. So I gave him exactly what he gave Clementine. I tried at first but in the tent I met loose. "The he'll do you know Clementine?" "I had to shoot Lee. So don't be an asshole and pretend that you're the only one whose lost people!" Sorry Kenny. I am. You need time but I don't have any repect for you anymore.
Oh please. I'm one of clem's biggest fan but even I can understand Kenny's point of view. You guys surely underestimate what Clem can handle… more. She doesn't need her bodyguard to fight her battles for her and beat anyone who dares to talk her some truth. She's not a baby like Sarah. She stands her ground when Kenny yell at her. In season 1, she would have cried. Shows how Clem had gone a long way since her season 1 persona.
"Shit... sometimes I forget you're still a kid. Sorry Clementine, for burdening you with this." - Kenny. Not exact words, but it's closely along the lines of it.
He does need to be sad about her death. He CAN be angry. But he needs to appreciate the fact that Clem tried. It dosent need to be much, just a simple "it was difficult call" or "at least you did something".
It was either take a HUGE risk by chopping her arm off, or ensure her death by leaving it on. People were willing to take that risk, and Kenny shouldn't blame Clem for taking that risk for him.
But it wasn't her fault to begin with. Things happened and Clem tried to help. But Sarita died. I know it's hard for Ken. But if he wants to… more be an adult and give orders, he has to stop seeing only himself and his problems. I'm sorry Ken I know it sucks. But you don't let it consume you. Mourn her yes but don't go into a fury. Other people have problems too. So I gave him exactly what he gave Clementine. I tried at first but in the tent I met loose. "The he'll do you know Clementine?" "I had to shoot Lee. So don't be an asshole and pretend that you're the only one whose lost people!" Sorry Kenny. I am. You need time but I don't have any repect for you anymore.
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I felt horrible for clementine when kenny yelled at her. And then i tried to patch things up with him later, and yet he was still mad at me, especially after i wanted to let rebecca rest for a few days.
So on my second playthrough i tried saying "you're not the only one who's lost people" and that made it even worse. Kenny's not....um exaculy the nicest person.
And that's why she blames Lee's death on herself
It seems like kenny is always forgiven very easily when he screws up, which isn't bad, but if anyone else does, its tough love for them.
It wasn't her fault, it was that crazy man on the radio.
Kenny is a dick, but we love him anyways
I strongly dislike Luke, but I'm not holding a grudge against him for dropping Clem, hiding Matthew's murder, getting caught stealing the food or banging Jane. Holding a grudge won't solve anything, and I can empathize with why he did those things. People are often more forgiving of the folks they like then the folks they dislike. Honestly, I myself have been guilty of this at times.
I'm sure everyone complaining he was out of line would do the exact same thing.
Positive you guys would. Who wouldn't? I mean he had just lost someone he loved.
I don't
I agree I would have done the same thing but I would have apologize later but Kenny did not
No he wasn't. Kenny lost a lot more than clementine has, he was just very emotional. And what Kenny said was true, it wasn't her fault that Sarita died but she did cause others to die before. What he also said about her being a little girl doesn't mean she can get people killed and make up for it by saying sorry just because she's a little girl is also true.
Yeah, that's kinda how this whole "pizza and ice cream" choice would play out if it related to Luke and Kenny. By now we all seen to know who we like, and we'll always seem to find a way to empathize the person we choose, despite whatever they do. I mean, i'm probably wrong, but who knows.
It was both of their faults
I didn't take it personalty, I knew why he was upset and half expected him to act this way. You can't win with Kenny sometimes, but that doesn't make him a bad guy. He knew why we did it. Kenny just lost someone he loved, so he is angry and just ragging on anything and anyone that comes his way for a time. He eventually comes around and realizes that there was no choice, with Luke being a but wipe this episode, Kenny really becomes the leader that we all knew he could be. Kenny and Clementine have been together since season 1, a lot of bad has happened, but the bad stuff made them closer, because they experienced it together.
Kenny can say that?
Is there a video of that, oh my god!
**EDIT Also, you know in the trailer when she takes off Kenny's eyepatch. When did that happen in the episode, I tried everything.
Hopefully Kenny will get the chance to apologize for that comment, I felt bad for Clem when Kenny said that. I'm sure she already feels guilty enough for Lee, Omid's death, and to tell someone they were the cause of it, was just exceedingly cruel.
Nah the entire episode wasn't the same though. It's just that they kept reusing stuff like Nick / Bud thing.
Kenny is sensitive, he lightens up later on after he's thought about it. Of course he's upset, think about the person you love most, imagine having even the slightest reason to blame someone else and ta-da! You have a Kenny-Clementine situation. He's lost so much and Sarita really 'brought him back' from that brink. I think he just needs somebody to love and care for, which is why he's attached to the baby off the bat. He's an American family man without a family.
Well, he wasn't very successful in trying to kill Ben. But I would say that lunging at someone while screaming that you are going to kill them qualifies as an attempt, no matter how incapable he was of overcoming other's resistance in that situation.
Yeah, Ben was an idiot. So let's excuse Kenny for making a bad situation worse by putting everyone at much greater risk and getting Brie killed. Let's get the door open (after kicking it for several minutes, apparently) and then have a long argument while the door is being broken down. Real smart, Kenny. Right up there with Ben.
And, hey, good for Kenny for stepping up to take a beating when no one asked him to. He gets an occasional hero complex that he likes to act out. He probably wanted to be beaten to death even before it started. Clementine would have been struck by Carver, probably, but Kenny had already killed some of Carver's men, was an adult, and was openly defiant. Clementine never would have gotten that sort of beating. If Kenny thinks Clementine needs to take responsibility like an adult, then he needs to honor her decisions and let her take responsibility like an adult.
Clem doesn't see it that way
I don't think Kenny actually blames Clem. I think he just said that because Clem was the closest one to Sarita and Kenny couldn't protect her, he knows it was nobody's fault and Kenny was just blowing off steam.
It was either take a HUGE risk by chopping her arm off, or ensure her death by leaving it on. People were willing to take that risk, and Kenny shouldn't blame Clem for taking that risk for him.
Let me get this strait, while waiting for ep, these forums have been filled with "will kenny break" "will kenny commit suicide" "kenny is a danger to the group" then we get ep4 and your on his back because he blew off some steam after which he got his shit together and put his own feelings of sarita, his son and wife and delivered a baby...?¿ personly I think kenny showed how strong a man he really is in ep4, I trust him more than ever now, he was the only good thing about ep4 imo the rest was weak, and that says a lot about S2 that we are still feeding off a S1 relationship, but thats another post for later.... no I don't think kenny was out of line one bit.....
It creeps the shit out of my. i was really scared
In his defense, at that moment he has more reason than anyone else in the group to be upset and DID request just to be left alone. I am not saying he had a right to, but many people would look for someone to blame in his situation. He snapped out of it later and started looking out for the group again despite just losing all reason to live, not to mention he was actually doing a damn good job of being a leader for once(in the past his plans have always been half-baked, but this episode he was on top of things). I think he deserves some credit for that.
Everyone has their own way of dealing with things....Kenny's is hating everyone for a while. Sarah's was reverting to a potato. Jane's was being a heartless person to everyone. Etc. Still, in my second playthrough, I loved telling Kenny off. Got to tell him "I had to shoot Lee, you're not the only one who's lost people!" Best thing ever.
Edit : As for the not apologizing thing, he DID have a lot to worry about, like being the only one with any experience helping a woman through childbirth and trying to lead the group. He also probably wanted to just pretend it didn't happen. Though I will admit, I am very disappointed he didn't even mention so much as a 'sorry'. I hope there is a chance to talk to him about things more in episode 5.
One of my favourite, more subtle moments in this episode is when you're trying to calm Rebbeca during the prelude to her son's birth.
If you glance over at Kenny when responding with"You've gone through too much to give up now" you can see this moment of self-realisation wash over his face. I thought it was a real nice touch to have a sentence carry so much meaning for all three characters in that situation.
Bit of a shame that I had to later remind him that he was not the father of Rebecca's baby. Quit being so possessive, Kenny. Y'all still got Clementine.
I agree completely. But she is a eleven year old girl after all. She can't beat up Kenny.
Yeah I'm hoping he apologizes in No Going Back
I completely agree with you but I just wanted to mention that Clem has lost a lot of people close to her as well.
She doesn't want to beat up nor does she wants someone to beat up Kenny for her especially after how she saw Carver did that before.
I’ve never particularly liked Kenny, but my opinion of him is now at an all time low.
He had no right to blow up at Clem, knowing she’s lost even more loved ones than Kenny and she never attacked anyone over her grief like that. Lee, Omid, Christa, her parents, and pretty much all of her potential friends (Duck, Ben, Sarah, Nick…) Clem’s hurt expression when Kenny yelled at her honestly made me want to kill him. Imagine if Lee had been there. Even worse because we know Clem blames herself for Lee and Omid’s deaths. How dare he tell her “just because you’re a little girl, you think no one will care if you get someone killed?”
As if Kenny would not have done the exact same thing if someone else’s loved one had been bitten. And his reaction if Clem tells him she shot Lee and calls him out on his hypocrisy? “I don’t need to hear this shit?” What shit? The little girl you supposedly care about is pouring her heart out to you, nearly sobbing, and you don’t even have the decency to acknowledge her?
And the worst part? I doubt he even truly loved Sarita. If you don’t cut off her hand, she asks Kenny offscreen to end her suffering, but Kenny refuses because of his selfish hope that Sarita won’t turn. He condemns her to a slow, painful death against her wishes because he refuses to accept reality and his responsibilities.
I know Kenny wasn’t a bad person, but guess what. A lot of the characters were never bad people. He’s crossed the moral event horizon for me, and I don’t think anything he ever does is bringing him back in my eyes. I miss Christa
...Hell, I miss Lilly by this point.
Oh I know that. I forgot to mention that Clem is just more stable than Kenny emotionally, which is amazing for a little kid.
Yeah.
I can't blame him considering
I think he was way out of line at that moment. Seriously, yell at a little girl who tried to save his girlfriend from getting eaten and blame her for his girlfriends dead. She did what she though was right. She cut of her arm, so Sarita had a chance to live. Would Kenny want Clementine to not give a fuck about her, since he said he would've preffered her to do nothing, why couldn't we just had walked away from Sarita, and then see what Kenny would've said instead. He was a way out of line, and i just wanted to say ''Fuck you, Kenny'' when he blamed Clem. Poor girl.
Kenny is a character who has been through lots of trauma, so have the other characters I know, but he doesn't take it well, in my opinion. Kenny also seems to have anger issues and doesn't understand what he does or says during his "expressive" actions. I still like Kenny because I grew attached to him, and I believe that he loves Clementine, he just needed someone to blame, I mean his wife died, again. He saw both of them die, too.
But it wasn't her fault to begin with. Things happened and Clem tried to help. But Sarita died. I know it's hard for Ken. But if he wants to be an adult and give orders, he has to stop seeing only himself and his problems. I'm sorry Ken I know it sucks. But you don't let it consume you. Mourn her yes but don't go into a fury. Other people have problems too. So I gave him exactly what he gave Clementine. I tried at first but in the tent I met loose. "The he'll do you know Clementine?" "I had to shoot Lee. So don't be an asshole and pretend that you're the only one whose lost people!" Sorry Kenny. I am. You need time but I don't have any repect for you anymore.
He didn't seem to have trouble remembering it when he was shoving her nose in her failures.
He does need to be sad about her death. He CAN be angry. But he needs to appreciate the fact that Clem tried. It dosent need to be much, just a simple "it was difficult call" or "at least you did something".
She said that? Good for her! She's already killing herself with guilt. What right does he have to keep throwing that stuff in her face?