Well we did JUST chop his wife's hand off with a hatchet. Some resentment is to be expected for something like that. Christa held some resen… moretment towards Clem for a very long time after Omid's death. But that's not what I care about. What I care about is when she was staring down the barrel of a gun and being asked "Where's the rest of your group?" and she lied to protect us. What I care about is her being stabbed in the leg by a bunch of bandits and having the first thought to enter her head be "Clementine, run!"
Yeah, Kenny in the past has let his grudge allow him to do some really fucked up stuff like leave Lee to die. But he didn't this time. He confronted the hoard of walkers by himself (or optionally with Mike's help) to give the group enough time to get away. He did what was needed of him to help Rebecca deliver her baby. Yes, he may have still been pissed and depressed and resentful. But (with some coaxing) he was able to help the group despite all of that.
He still puts all of the weight of the responsibility on your shoulders. He isn't "less mad" to the point where it's forgivable to basically tell this girl who keep to herself about her own suffering that everything ever is her fault and everything she touches dies. Kenny did it in grief, but it's still unacceptable.
Kenny really only get's mad at Clem if Clem chops off the arm, if you kill the zombie, Kenny is still highly upset, but less at Clem so Kenny may be out of line, depending on how YOU play that scene.
I haven't played that alternate scenario myself, but from what I heard, his dialogue a lot less aggressive and accusatory if you don't chop his wife's hand off. If not then, yes, he would be completely out of line there. I mean, he'd be out of line anyway. He just has more reason to be if Clem in fact did do something that could be seen as a mistake. Regardless, he was able to gather himself and step up to hep someone else when push came to shove. And that's does take a lot of character.
I'm so sorry for his loss. I hated what happened. I hated myself. But what I wanted was for Kenny to be a flipping adult for once. Not lash … moreout at the people who want to help and already feel like shit for trying to do something. I not mad that he's angry. I'm mad that he's not handling his emotions better. Go sit in a tent if it makes you feel better Kenny but you can't turn on your people. You can't make them think you're so unhinged that you're going to kill them all. And I know it's hard. But you are not alone. You have all of the group to go to. And I'm sorry but everyone else has gone through what you have too. Clementine parents are still WALKERS for crying out loud. She SHOT Lee. She watched Omid die. She watched almost everyone in season 1 die. She knows when she messes up. It's time for you to realize she doesn't need the mistakes hung around her neck. You've make bad decisions too. And by God if you're going to say Clem can handel … [view original content]
It's called "heat of passion." It subsides. Kenny's a guy who has no control over his emotions and is willing to allow someone to die for not having his back, and then change his mind a second later. If you doubt this, replay Season 1 and side with Lilly a few times.
But did he kill you though or tried to kill you? did he put you in the position where you nearly died? as you seem to suggest he'll kill as he can't control his emotion. Yeah he's a dick if you don't side with him but he still sticks by you till the end unlike the bitch you side with against him.
This was a discussion about Kenny. He is the one who can't control his emotions. He was the one that wasn't going to calm down and leave until everyone calmed him down. But if we want to talk about all of the stupidity of people waiting around while zombies are trying to break through a door, and the poor writing of having everyone lose sense of the moment, you're welcome to keep talking about it, but It still doesn't absolve Kenny.
It is about Kenny but like I said, you're blaming him for something the whole group should take responsibility for, Christa wanted to get back to Omid but she's happy to get into the discussion. In his defense, he found out that his family died because a cowardly idiot was making deals behind the groups back, before this, he never gave it a seconds thought. How did you expect him to react? "Oh it doesn't matter, we'll talk about this later", if anyone deserves the blame, it's Ben, he chose to tell Kenny in the worst moment, when they were escaping for their lives, do you think anybody else would react differently to hear the confession of someone who says they got their family killed?
So Kenny has a preference for Clementine because he knows her. Again, good for him. No, he wouldn't take the blame for anyone else, because Clementine is the only one who wouldn't be considered a coward for not taking her own blame. Even if it was a great thing he did for Clementine, it's simply not enough. There's really just not enough that the guy can do to make up for how unstable he is.
It's not about whether she's brave enough to take her own blame, you think he did that because she wouldn't be considered a coward? So it has nothing to do with him knowing her for a lot longer and that she was also good friends with his son and therefore he didn't want to see a madman that unexpectedly killed a one armed man inflict harm upon her? He nearly lost his life and lost the sight in his right eye and you're saying that's not enough? Even after his girlfriends death, he kept it together and helped a pregnant woman give birth to a healthy baby and you say he's unstable because he yelled at a little kid earlier in the heat of the moment after losing his girlfriend?
Lilly fan? Before she went psycho, I preferred her to Kenny. I mean, he's fine if you always agree with him. Disagree with him on anything, though, and he's happy to let you die the next second.
You preferred a lazy bitch that didn't give a rats ass that her douchebag dad tried to kill you over a guy that saved you no matter what from the douchebag dad that tried to kill you? Even if you don't agree with Kenny, he'll still stick by you, can you say the same for Lilly if you agree with her?
It's called "heat of passion." It subsides. Kenny's a guy who has no control over his emotions and is willing to allow someone to die for no… moret having his back, and then change his mind a second later. If you doubt this, replay Season 1 and side with Lilly a few times.
This was a discussion about Kenny. He is the one who can't control his emotions. He was the one that wasn't going to calm down and leave until everyone calmed him down. But if we want to talk about all of the stupidity of people waiting around while zombies are trying to break through a door, and the poor writing of having everyone lose sense of the moment, you're welcome to keep talking about it, but It still doesn't absolve Kenny.
So Kenny has a preference for Clementine because he knows her. Again, good for him. No, he wouldn't take the blame for anyone else, because Clementine is the only one who wouldn't be considered a coward for not taking her own blame. Even if it w… [view original content]
I know right? Majority of Kenny's fans love him because of his flaws, not despite them. That, and he's one badass redneck. He is arguably the most realistic character in the game.
"Well I didn't expect him to be like: "Oh its ok Clementine I forgive you for chopping off my girlfriend's hand"
I did even worst than th… moreat. After I cut of her hand off I put an axe through her head before she had even died as a throwback to the meat locker scene when Kenny dropped the salt lick on Larry's head in front of Clem, hoping that she would get a chance to say I learnt that from you. What was it he said about him being the one to make the tough choices when he offed Larry? Now Clem is making the tough unpopular choices in season 2 and i'm loving it. The only thing is that I find it a lot easier in season 2 because I don't really have any real attachment to the characters this time around. Shooting Rebecca in the head, no problem, leaving Sarah in the mobile home.... fuck it, putting an axe through Sorita's head . I barely knew her.
I was pretty shocked and even heartbroken when I heard him say all those things to her, but I don't blame him. I can't. He had every reason to be pissed off, but you should note that he was just as much in a shock as Clementine. After all he had been through, all the loses he suffered, he just keep keep losing people he love and ends up alone. He's grieving. And that's understandable. I know in my heart my Clementine (with all my choices so far) would understand and forgive him. She would let him blow off his steam because that's what you do when someone you care is hurting. Sometimes in life, our family or loved ones says things that we do not deserve when they are angry or in pain for some reason. Even though it hurts, we know they don't mean what they say and we forgive them. So inside the tent, if you don't snap at him and let him talk, or tell him he's not helpless and you need him, he understands. Whether you chopped off Sarita's arm or not, it was a walker who killed her, Kenny knows this. He was just angry, wasn't thinking clearly, he was a bit too harsh, true, but it was understandable.
But did he kill you though or tried to kill you? did he put you in the position where you nearly died? as you seem to suggest he'll kill as he can't control his emotion. Yeah he's a dick if you don't side with him but he still sticks by you till the end unlike the bitch you side with against him.
What does this have to do with anything? He sits back and watched while Lee is being attacked by Danny because Lee didn't agree with him about Larry. He abandoned Shawn Greene at Hershel's farm because he can't stay in the moment. He can't control his emotions. He's unreliable. I never said he was just going to kill Lee. I said he wanted to kill Ben. And continued wanting Ben to die until well after everyone got home safely from Crawford.
It is about Kenny but like I said, you're blaming him for something the whole group should take responsibility for, Christa wanted to get back to Omid but she's happy to get into the discussion. In his defense, he found out that his family died because a cowardly idiot was making deals behind the groups back, before this, he never gave it a seconds thought. How did you expect him to react? "Oh it doesn't matter, we'll talk about this later", if anyone deserves the blame, it's Ben, he chose to tell Kenny in the worst moment, when they were escaping for their lives, do you think anybody else would react differently to hear the confession of someone who says they got their family killed?
All to get Kenny calmed down. This isn't about anyone else. This is about Kenny. You can't just keep defending him by comparing him to other people - he still doesn't stack up. He should have a sense of the moment even when he finds out someone else's negligence may have contributed to the death of his family. Yes, Ben had an awful sense of timing, too. Who's defending Ben? Let's not forget that Kenny then decided to reveal that there wasn't enough room on the boat and scared everyone and then they had to have that discussion. At least that was a prospective problem that everyone was worried about and not a retrospective issue. Both issues needed to wait. Kenny had the major hand in wasting time on both while others said they needed to go.
It's not about whether she's brave enough to take her own blame, you think he did that because she wouldn't be considered a coward? So it has nothing to do with him knowing her for a lot longer and that she was also good friends with his son and therefore he didn't want to see a madman that unexpectedly killed a one armed man inflict harm upon her? He nearly lost his life and lost the sight in his right eye and you're saying that's not enough? Even after his girlfriends death, he kept it together and helped a pregnant woman give birth to a healthy baby and you say he's unstable because he yelled at a little kid earlier in the heat of the moment after losing his girlfriend?
I honestly don't care what good he's done. It's not enough to make him a reliable or stable person to be around for very long. Clementine needs to ditch him as soon as possible. I never said he was unstable just because he yelled at Clementine. Did you even play Season 1 or the prior chapters of Season 2? Did miss all of the instances of Kenny being unstable?
You preferred a lazy bitch that didn't give a rats ass that her douchebag dad tried to kill you over a guy that saved you no matter what from the douchebag dad that tried to kill you? Even if you don't agree with Kenny, he'll still stick by you, can you say the same for Lilly if you agree with her?
Seriously, who cares? Lilly let paranoia get the best of her, went crazy, killed someone, and I ditched her ass. Now I want to ditch Kenny. Again, why do you have to make this all about other people instead of demonstrating that Kenny is stable and reliable? He's insane. He doesn't a few things when everyone is Carver's prisoner, and he thinks he's saving Clementine from a fate he was willing to force her into when he pushed the radio into her jacket.
Nothing Kenny does is enough. It doesn't fucking matter. Because he's UNSTABLE AND UNRELIABLE. I don't know how much more clear I can make it. I don't want to be around someone who is going to hate a person and be willing to let him die for a simple disagreement.
It's called "heat of passion." It subsides. Kenny's a guy who has no control over his emotions and is willing to allow someone to die for no… moret having his back, and then change his mind a second later. If you doubt this, replay Season 1 and side with Lilly a few times.
But did he kill you though or tried to kill you? did he put you in the position where you nearly died? as you seem to suggest he'll kill as he can't control his emotion. Yeah he's a dick if you don't side with him but he still sticks by you till the end unlike the bitch you side with against him.
This was a discussion about Kenny. He is the one who can't control his emotions. He was the one that wasn't going to calm down and leave until everyone calmed him down. But if we want to talk about all of the stupidity of people waiting around while zombies are trying to break through a door, and the poor writing of having everyone lose sense of the moment, you're welcome t… [view original content]
I suppose Kenny had a right to be mad. But, last time I checked, Kenny was a grown man. Throwing a fucking tantrum at an eleven year old girl is not something grown men usually do. I find it funny some people will defend Kenny by saying "he deserved to do this or that." Ok, so I deserve to cuss his selfish ass right back then? Oh no, cause then that makes Kenny the "bad guy." It wasn't "understandable," it was tasteless and uncouth.
What I find the most baffling are the people who criticize Clem if she calls Kenny out on his hypocrisy by saying "Oh, what do you expect? She calls him an asshole, so why should he apologize???" Um, so it's fine for Kenny to blow up at Clem because of his suffering, but Clem is in the wrong for giving the hypocritical, self-centered bastard a taste of his own medicine?
I suppose Kenny had a right to be mad. But, last time I checked, Kenny was a grown man. Throwing a fucking tantrum at an eleven year old gir… morel is not something grown men usually do. I find it funny some people will defend Kenny by saying "he deserved to do this or that." Ok, so I deserve to cuss his selfish ass right back then? Oh no, cause then that makes Kenny the "bad guy." It wasn't "understandable," it was tasteless and uncouth.
I think Kenny strongly resembles what a real human being would act like this far into the apocalypse. I mean, losing so many people in your life is very difficult to cope with, and on top of it all, he was almost beaten to death?! I wasn't mad with him at all in Episode 4 because he had the right to be. Not everyone can be forgiving right after a loved one is killed. Kenny is my favorite character in result of his personality, realism, and like @Tinni said, his flaws.
I know right? Majority of Kenny's fans love him because of his flaws, not despite them. That, and he's one badass redneck. He is arguably the most realistic character in the game.
Kenny yelling at Clem is pretty understandable as he is going through the five stages of grief. Though, I repeat, it does not make his yelling at Clem any more wrong or right, it is just understandable coming from what happened to him. He had lost his wife, kid, got beaten to death, and now has lost another one of his loved one. His stages of grief is very noticeable. When he goes to the anger stage, he tells everyone to leave him alone, even though they are trying to help him, like Mike and Clem was trying to do. The group also does not quite help with the matter at all. They kinda make him feel like a burden, maybe not Clem, which only adds on to his anger. So now we understand why Kenny acts like a jerk in that episode. Now fast forward to him in his depression stage. Now, we can get a idea of why he feels pity himself and can't stop himself, he is just going through the emotion! Now this makes his whole character very understandable in this episode. When he delivers Rebecca's baby, he finally accepts the world as it is, a crazy depressing place but sometimes has its ups. It kinda makes sense if you use the five stages of grief on Kenny cause of his emotions in this episode. In addition, I like to add that no, Clem calling Kenny a-hole is not bad, is really understandable. She feels upset that Kenny is treating her like a jerk even though she feels horrible about Sarita. But Kenny wouldn't really understand and care due to the stage he is in at that moment.
What I find the most baffling are the people who criticize Clem if she calls Kenny out on his hypocrisy by saying "Oh, what do you expect? S… morehe calls him an asshole, so why should he apologize???" Um, so it's fine for Kenny to blow up at Clem because of his suffering, but Clem is in the wrong for giving the hypocritical, self-centered bastard a taste of his own medicine?
What does this have to do with anything? He sits back and watched while Lee is being attacked by Danny because Lee didn't agree with him about Larry. He abandoned Shawn Greene at Hershel's farm because he can't stay in the moment. He can't control his emotions. He's unreliable. I never said he was just going to kill Lee. I said he wanted to kill Ben. And continued wanting Ben to die until well after everyone got home safely from Crawford.
It has everything to do with it as you're making Kenny out to be this unstable lunatic that can't control his emotions and will kill as you seem to suggest he'll kill Ben because he can't control his anger. There's no denying that he stood there and watched Lee get attacked but, dick move? Yes, unstable? No, what about the version that he actually helps you? him abandoning Shawn Greene, he panicked to get his son to safety and he even admits how much he fucked up on that. You're acting like he's the most useless character when you say he's unreliable, in that same episode did he not save Lee? did his RV not save he group? Yes he wanted Ben dead but you have no proof that he wanted to kill Ben other than the fact he anted to give Ben a beating.
All to get Kenny calmed down. This isn't about anyone else. This is about Kenny. You can't just keep defending him by comparing him to other people - he still doesn't stack up. He should have a sense of the moment even when he finds out someone else's negligence may have contributed to the death of his family. Yes, Ben had an awful sense of timing, too. Who's defending Ben? Let's not forget that Kenny then decided to reveal that there wasn't enough room on the boat and scared everyone and then they had to have that discussion. At least that was a prospective problem that everyone was worried about and not a retrospective issue. Both issues needed to wait. Kenny had the major hand in wasting time on both while others said they needed to go.
Because you're pinning the whole situation on him as if the others were oblivious to what was happening around them. Do you think anybody else would've reacted differently to finding out their family's demise was due to a teen's stupidity? You seem to focus on putting the whole blame on Kenny but you leave Ben out of your arguments. Kenny revealed the boat right there because he was angry just as Ben was stupid enough to tell him about what happened to Duck & Katjaa, don't tell me you never did anything rash when you were angry? The discussion wasn't even about the boat but to decide whether to kick Ben out or not and the discussion was between Kenny, Lee & Christa as they're in the main group, are you telling me that when Kenny brought it up Christa immediately forgot she wanted to get back to Omid, Lee forgot that he needed to get back to Clementine or get her out of Crawford & Vernon forgot he needed to get back to his own group? You're acting like Kenny pulled a gun on the group and kept them there to have that discussion.
I honestly don't care what good he's done. It's not enough to make him a reliable or stable person to be around for very long. Clementine needs to ditch him as soon as possible. I never said he was unstable just because he yelled at Clementine. Did you even play Season 1 or the prior chapters of Season 2? Did miss all of the instances of Kenny being unstable?
You don't care what good he's done, you acknowledge that he's done some good yet you think the good he's good deeds are the actions of an unreliable & unstable person? Yeah I played Season 1. I remember him saving Lee in the first episode when that prick Larry left him for dead, he also saved the group with the RV he fixed that got them out of the motel during the bandit raid attack, did you ignore the good he's done in Season 1? Remind me again what made him unstable in Season 2? You say Clem needs to ditch him but where would she be without him? Dead. You say he's unreliable yet in the recent episode the group were relying on him to take charge and help with Rebecca's pregnancy and he sucked it up and helped her deliver Rebecca's baby, is this the action of an unstable & unreliable man?
Seriously, who cares? Lilly let paranoia get the best of her, went crazy, killed someone, and I ditched her ass. Now I want to ditch Kenny. Again, why do you have to make this all about other people instead of demonstrating that Kenny is stable and reliable? He's insane. He doesn't a few things when everyone is Carver's prisoner, and he thinks he's saving Clementine from a fate he was willing to force her into when he pushed the radio into her jacket.
Nothing Kenny does is enough. It doesn't fucking matter. Because he's UNSTABLE AND UNRELIABLE. I don't know how much more clear I can make it. I don't want to be around someone who is going to hate a person and be willing to let him die for a simple disagreement.
I'm just saying I find it strange you preferred someone that did nothing for you as opposed to a guy you seem to hate that gives you a helping hand. I'm bringing other people into this because you're blaming Kenny for situations & deaths that he in no way was responsible for but you sneak the blame onto him because he was present in those situations yet disregard the others that were also present and not acknowledge they could've done something as well to avoid the trouble they get in. You're making him out to be an insane loose canon just because he gets angry over his family & girlfriends death which I don't know I think "everybody" would, by this logic, Nick must be an insane loose canon because that guy had a temper in episode 1 same with Rebecca. And really, Kenny forced her? where did you get this vibe? what was he supposed to do with the radio when Troy was not gonna let him & Mike out of their sight, makes sense to put it in Clem's jacket. You're putting the blame on Kenny yet again, where's the blame for Luke as it was his idea for Clem to get the radio or the rest of the group?
Yeah you already said he's unstable & unreliable but you're arguments aren't strong enough to support this claim. He took a beating that nearly cost him his life to protect a little girl and helped a pregnant woman but this isn't enough for you is it, if he saves Clementine 1000 times, that's still would not be enough for you, I think we can agree that Kenny is in a no win situation here.
But did he kill you though or tried to kill you? did he put you in the position where you nearly died? as you seem to suggest he'll kill as … morehe can't control his emotion. Yeah he's a dick if you don't side with him but he still sticks by you till the end unlike the bitch you side with against him.
What does this have to do with anything? He sits back and watched while Lee is being attacked by Danny because Lee didn't agree with him about Larry. He abandoned Shawn Greene at Hershel's farm because he can't stay in the moment. He can't control his emotions. He's unreliable. I never said he was just going to kill Lee. I said he wanted to kill Ben. And continued wanting Ben to die until well after everyone got home safely from Crawford.
It is about Kenny but like I said, you're blaming him for something the whole group should take responsibility for, Christa wanted to get back to Omid but she's happy to get into the discussion. In his… [view original content]
Him yelling at Clem made me want her to yell at him for Shawn dying because he wouldn't help. Then he barely cared when Walter died...Carlos cared more than Kenny did.. And before anyone says anything I do like Kenny..
What do you mean? I put an axe in Sarita's face. Just like Kenny taught me at St. John's with the salt lick. Kenny should be grateful I learned my lesson so well. He has only himself to blame.
Telltale was just trolling you showing Reggie because it worked FOR HIM but it was ONE walker not inside a HERD.
Think people think ? What happens if you start shouting infront of 10,000 zombies?
More demonstration of stable and reliable Kenny in Season 2, Episode 5. Hey, he fixed up a truck and that's a good thing, so everything else just gets a pass.
What does this have to do with anything? He sits back and watched while Lee is being attacked by Danny because Lee didn't agree with him abo… moreut Larry. He abandoned Shawn Greene at Hershel's farm because he can't stay in the moment. He can't control his emotions. He's unreliable. I never said he was just going to kill Lee. I said he wanted to kill Ben. And continued wanting Ben to die until well after everyone got home safely from Crawford.
It has everything to do with it as you're making Kenny out to be this unstable lunatic that can't control his emotions and will kill as you seem to suggest he'll kill Ben because he can't control his anger. There's no denying that he stood there and watched Lee get attacked but, dick move? Yes, unstable? No, what about the version that he actually helps you? him abandoning Shawn Greene, he panicked to get his son to safety and he even admits how much he fucked up on that. You're acting like he's the … [view original content]
More demonstration of stable and reliable Kenny in Season 2, Episode 5. Hey, he fixed up a truck and that's a good thing, so everything else just gets a pass.
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I said that he didn't mean when he told Clementine that Sarita's death was her fault. The apologies were true
What about those of us who didn't chop off his wife's hand with a hatchet, huh? I don't think it's so easily justifiable.
He still puts all of the weight of the responsibility on your shoulders. He isn't "less mad" to the point where it's forgivable to basically tell this girl who keep to herself about her own suffering that everything ever is her fault and everything she touches dies. Kenny did it in grief, but it's still unacceptable.
I haven't played that alternate scenario myself, but from what I heard, his dialogue a lot less aggressive and accusatory if you don't chop his wife's hand off. If not then, yes, he would be completely out of line there. I mean, he'd be out of line anyway. He just has more reason to be if Clem in fact did do something that could be seen as a mistake. Regardless, he was able to gather himself and step up to hep someone else when push came to shove. And that's does take a lot of character.
Oh, sorry for misunderstanding.
I'm not a kenny hater but that was amazing said.
I feel proud for Clem standing up to him, yet sorry for how she feels right now. And Kenny just scruffed it off like it was nothing. Damn asshole.
Whoa, I'm a huge Kenny fan but that was fucking douchey even for him. I can't even defend that.
But did he kill you though or tried to kill you? did he put you in the position where you nearly died? as you seem to suggest he'll kill as he can't control his emotion. Yeah he's a dick if you don't side with him but he still sticks by you till the end unlike the bitch you side with against him.
It is about Kenny but like I said, you're blaming him for something the whole group should take responsibility for, Christa wanted to get back to Omid but she's happy to get into the discussion. In his defense, he found out that his family died because a cowardly idiot was making deals behind the groups back, before this, he never gave it a seconds thought. How did you expect him to react? "Oh it doesn't matter, we'll talk about this later", if anyone deserves the blame, it's Ben, he chose to tell Kenny in the worst moment, when they were escaping for their lives, do you think anybody else would react differently to hear the confession of someone who says they got their family killed?
It's not about whether she's brave enough to take her own blame, you think he did that because she wouldn't be considered a coward? So it has nothing to do with him knowing her for a lot longer and that she was also good friends with his son and therefore he didn't want to see a madman that unexpectedly killed a one armed man inflict harm upon her? He nearly lost his life and lost the sight in his right eye and you're saying that's not enough? Even after his girlfriends death, he kept it together and helped a pregnant woman give birth to a healthy baby and you say he's unstable because he yelled at a little kid earlier in the heat of the moment after losing his girlfriend?
You preferred a lazy bitch that didn't give a rats ass that her douchebag dad tried to kill you over a guy that saved you no matter what from the douchebag dad that tried to kill you? Even if you don't agree with Kenny, he'll still stick by you, can you say the same for Lilly if you agree with her?
I know right? Majority of Kenny's fans love him because of his flaws, not despite them. That, and he's one badass redneck. He is arguably the most realistic character in the game.
I did the same thing...Puting the axe through Sarita's head.He then called Clem a stupid fucking kid.
I was pretty shocked and even heartbroken when I heard him say all those things to her, but I don't blame him. I can't. He had every reason to be pissed off, but you should note that he was just as much in a shock as Clementine. After all he had been through, all the loses he suffered, he just keep keep losing people he love and ends up alone. He's grieving. And that's understandable. I know in my heart my Clementine (with all my choices so far) would understand and forgive him. She would let him blow off his steam because that's what you do when someone you care is hurting. Sometimes in life, our family or loved ones says things that we do not deserve when they are angry or in pain for some reason. Even though it hurts, we know they don't mean what they say and we forgive them. So inside the tent, if you don't snap at him and let him talk, or tell him he's not helpless and you need him, he understands. Whether you chopped off Sarita's arm or not, it was a walker who killed her, Kenny knows this. He was just angry, wasn't thinking clearly, he was a bit too harsh, true, but it was understandable.
What does this have to do with anything? He sits back and watched while Lee is being attacked by Danny because Lee didn't agree with him about Larry. He abandoned Shawn Greene at Hershel's farm because he can't stay in the moment. He can't control his emotions. He's unreliable. I never said he was just going to kill Lee. I said he wanted to kill Ben. And continued wanting Ben to die until well after everyone got home safely from Crawford.
All to get Kenny calmed down. This isn't about anyone else. This is about Kenny. You can't just keep defending him by comparing him to other people - he still doesn't stack up. He should have a sense of the moment even when he finds out someone else's negligence may have contributed to the death of his family. Yes, Ben had an awful sense of timing, too. Who's defending Ben? Let's not forget that Kenny then decided to reveal that there wasn't enough room on the boat and scared everyone and then they had to have that discussion. At least that was a prospective problem that everyone was worried about and not a retrospective issue. Both issues needed to wait. Kenny had the major hand in wasting time on both while others said they needed to go.
I honestly don't care what good he's done. It's not enough to make him a reliable or stable person to be around for very long. Clementine needs to ditch him as soon as possible. I never said he was unstable just because he yelled at Clementine. Did you even play Season 1 or the prior chapters of Season 2? Did miss all of the instances of Kenny being unstable?
Seriously, who cares? Lilly let paranoia get the best of her, went crazy, killed someone, and I ditched her ass. Now I want to ditch Kenny. Again, why do you have to make this all about other people instead of demonstrating that Kenny is stable and reliable? He's insane. He doesn't a few things when everyone is Carver's prisoner, and he thinks he's saving Clementine from a fate he was willing to force her into when he pushed the radio into her jacket.
Nothing Kenny does is enough. It doesn't fucking matter. Because he's UNSTABLE AND UNRELIABLE. I don't know how much more clear I can make it. I don't want to be around someone who is going to hate a person and be willing to let him die for a simple disagreement.
I suppose Kenny had a right to be mad. But, last time I checked, Kenny was a grown man. Throwing a fucking tantrum at an eleven year old girl is not something grown men usually do. I find it funny some people will defend Kenny by saying "he deserved to do this or that." Ok, so I deserve to cuss his selfish ass right back then? Oh no, cause then that makes Kenny the "bad guy." It wasn't "understandable," it was tasteless and uncouth.
What I find the most baffling are the people who criticize Clem if she calls Kenny out on his hypocrisy by saying "Oh, what do you expect? She calls him an asshole, so why should he apologize???" Um, so it's fine for Kenny to blow up at Clem because of his suffering, but Clem is in the wrong for giving the hypocritical, self-centered bastard a taste of his own medicine?
I think Kenny strongly resembles what a real human being would act like this far into the apocalypse. I mean, losing so many people in your life is very difficult to cope with, and on top of it all, he was almost beaten to death?! I wasn't mad with him at all in Episode 4 because he had the right to be. Not everyone can be forgiving right after a loved one is killed. Kenny is my favorite character in result of his personality, realism, and like @Tinni said, his flaws.
Kenny yelling at Clem is pretty understandable as he is going through the five stages of grief. Though, I repeat, it does not make his yelling at Clem any more wrong or right, it is just understandable coming from what happened to him. He had lost his wife, kid, got beaten to death, and now has lost another one of his loved one. His stages of grief is very noticeable. When he goes to the anger stage, he tells everyone to leave him alone, even though they are trying to help him, like Mike and Clem was trying to do. The group also does not quite help with the matter at all. They kinda make him feel like a burden, maybe not Clem, which only adds on to his anger. So now we understand why Kenny acts like a jerk in that episode. Now fast forward to him in his depression stage. Now, we can get a idea of why he feels pity himself and can't stop himself, he is just going through the emotion! Now this makes his whole character very understandable in this episode. When he delivers Rebecca's baby, he finally accepts the world as it is, a crazy depressing place but sometimes has its ups. It kinda makes sense if you use the five stages of grief on Kenny cause of his emotions in this episode. In addition, I like to add that no, Clem calling Kenny a-hole is not bad, is really understandable. She feels upset that Kenny is treating her like a jerk even though she feels horrible about Sarita. But Kenny wouldn't really understand and care due to the stage he is in at that moment.
It has everything to do with it as you're making Kenny out to be this unstable lunatic that can't control his emotions and will kill as you seem to suggest he'll kill Ben because he can't control his anger. There's no denying that he stood there and watched Lee get attacked but, dick move? Yes, unstable? No, what about the version that he actually helps you? him abandoning Shawn Greene, he panicked to get his son to safety and he even admits how much he fucked up on that. You're acting like he's the most useless character when you say he's unreliable, in that same episode did he not save Lee? did his RV not save he group? Yes he wanted Ben dead but you have no proof that he wanted to kill Ben other than the fact he anted to give Ben a beating.
Because you're pinning the whole situation on him as if the others were oblivious to what was happening around them. Do you think anybody else would've reacted differently to finding out their family's demise was due to a teen's stupidity? You seem to focus on putting the whole blame on Kenny but you leave Ben out of your arguments. Kenny revealed the boat right there because he was angry just as Ben was stupid enough to tell him about what happened to Duck & Katjaa, don't tell me you never did anything rash when you were angry? The discussion wasn't even about the boat but to decide whether to kick Ben out or not and the discussion was between Kenny, Lee & Christa as they're in the main group, are you telling me that when Kenny brought it up Christa immediately forgot she wanted to get back to Omid, Lee forgot that he needed to get back to Clementine or get her out of Crawford & Vernon forgot he needed to get back to his own group? You're acting like Kenny pulled a gun on the group and kept them there to have that discussion.
You don't care what good he's done, you acknowledge that he's done some good yet you think the good he's good deeds are the actions of an unreliable & unstable person? Yeah I played Season 1. I remember him saving Lee in the first episode when that prick Larry left him for dead, he also saved the group with the RV he fixed that got them out of the motel during the bandit raid attack, did you ignore the good he's done in Season 1? Remind me again what made him unstable in Season 2? You say Clem needs to ditch him but where would she be without him? Dead. You say he's unreliable yet in the recent episode the group were relying on him to take charge and help with Rebecca's pregnancy and he sucked it up and helped her deliver Rebecca's baby, is this the action of an unstable & unreliable man?
I'm just saying I find it strange you preferred someone that did nothing for you as opposed to a guy you seem to hate that gives you a helping hand. I'm bringing other people into this because you're blaming Kenny for situations & deaths that he in no way was responsible for but you sneak the blame onto him because he was present in those situations yet disregard the others that were also present and not acknowledge they could've done something as well to avoid the trouble they get in. You're making him out to be an insane loose canon just because he gets angry over his family & girlfriends death which I don't know I think "everybody" would, by this logic, Nick must be an insane loose canon because that guy had a temper in episode 1 same with Rebecca. And really, Kenny forced her? where did you get this vibe? what was he supposed to do with the radio when Troy was not gonna let him & Mike out of their sight, makes sense to put it in Clem's jacket. You're putting the blame on Kenny yet again, where's the blame for Luke as it was his idea for Clem to get the radio or the rest of the group?
Yeah you already said he's unstable & unreliable but you're arguments aren't strong enough to support this claim. He took a beating that nearly cost him his life to protect a little girl and helped a pregnant woman but this isn't enough for you is it, if he saves Clementine 1000 times, that's still would not be enough for you, I think we can agree that Kenny is in a no win situation here.
Him yelling at Clem made me want her to yell at him for Shawn dying because he wouldn't help. Then he barely cared when Walter died...Carlos cared more than Kenny did..
And before anyone says anything I do like Kenny..
Actually, Kenny does apologize.
If in the tent, you just let him talk, he does say he's sorry.
Check it out!
What do you mean? I put an axe in Sarita's face. Just like Kenny taught me at St. John's with the salt lick. Kenny should be grateful I learned my lesson so well. He has only himself to blame.
Well Kenny was shouting pretty loudly at Clementine inside the herd, so I guess the walkers have selective hearing or something
Kenny went from
-when I first saw him: OMG Kenny so happy to see you!
-Carver camp: Oook well its just same old Kenny...right?
-Escape in amid the ruins: You are a fucking asshole and hypocrite right now u know that?
-Final ep: You are acting like a ****irrational ****Carver!
-Final final: Kenny I hate you and now your a threat
More demonstration of stable and reliable Kenny in Season 2, Episode 5. Hey, he fixed up a truck and that's a good thing, so everything else just gets a pass.
And like always you exclude the actions of the other characters and make Kenny out to be the big bad wolf. How dare Kenny picking on poor little Arvo.