Luke or Kenny? Who's side are you on?

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  • I know right!? He's soooo gonna' die..... =(

    Proud Team Mike, until my hopes are inevitably dashed next episode when he's killed off way too soon.

  • I hope they don't become determinant characters because they'll become marked for death!

  • I'm still with Luke, because I trust him more then Kenny. Kenny seems different from season 1 and his head isn't in the right mindset.

  • I agree! When Kenny was brought back, and Clem hugged him, and they caught up I was for Kenny to just have that familiar face again. But obviously Kenny has gotten much, much worse. I've been neutral, or tried to, the entire time but I'm likely to go with Luke. I'm afraid for Clementine at times when Kenny gets upset and rages, she may not be able to control him.

    RB---TWDG posted: »

    I'm still with Luke, because I trust him more then Kenny. Kenny seems different from season 1 and his head isn't in the right mindset.

  • Yes, exactly!! And Luke can also handle death better then Kenny! And we kinda need someone like that in this world!

    AiPriestess posted: »

    I agree! When Kenny was brought back, and Clem hugged him, and they caught up I was for Kenny to just have that familiar face again. But o

  • I think I gonna stick with Luke. I loved the Sister and Brother relationship they had in E1 and E2.

    Kenny will always be in my heart, but its seems like its time to let him go .. he is too broken atm.

  • Leaves nick to die, what?

    I used to like Luke, but now I'm beginning to hate his guts. First, he appears to leave Nick to die in the trailer park, then he sleeps with

  • Kenny. I seem to be agreeing with him more than Season 1 and he's an old friend and he's the connection she has to Lee besides Christa.(If she's alive)

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    Kenny for sure.

    Luke is incredibly unreliable. Kenny may have bouts of depression and anger, but at least they're predictable. They always have obvious reasons behind them: getting beaten by Carver, losing Sarita... etc.

    And when it comes down to it, Kenny has actually proven himself for Clem. He was beaten almost to death for Clem.

    When has Luke ever shown that he would be there for Clem in a case like that? When has Luke ever shown that he would protect her, not from the dead, but from the far worse threat of the living? When has he ever shown that he would die for her?

    Yeah, he saved her from the walkers in episode 1, and that was good, but he gave up on helping her when it got hard because Rebecca, Nick, and Carlos were against it. Yeah, he traveled from the ski lodge to Carver's camp to find her, and I'm sure that was exhausting, but he did that for everyone, not just her. And was that trip really any more life threatening than any sort of travel in the ZA?

    Kenny would never have let them lock her in the shed. He would have traveled miles and miles to be with her. And he has actually SHOWN that he would die for her. I hated Kenny in season 1, but in season 2, he's actually the warmest, most dependable person so far.

    And, yes, I like Bonnie and Mike in episode 4. (I've always liked Mike.) But that's only because they happened to be the people with the least drama going on at that moment. Sadly, I don't expect that to last long.

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    yea kenny dies clem shoots with a shotgun to the face at close range for closure

  • I was very heavily for Luke before this episode, but it seems like the baby has given Kenny hope again. While I personally don't feel to attached for the baby's well-being (by that I mean I am not scarifying myself for him) after Episode 4 I am leaning slightly to Kenny who just seems more rational right now.

  • Luke, although I like Kenny, I like Luke more.

  • Exactly what I was going to post.

    Luke, although I like Kenny, I like Luke more.

  • Gotta stay neutral.

  • Yeah that was before the baby was even born, I don't think he would have just let him kill her. It was after the baby was born that he said to Luke that this baby is what is important now.

    What about when Kenny saved Clem from that walker while everyone was running to the observation deck?

  • I found myself siding with Kenny this episode, though not out of any love for him. I'm honestly getting real sick of the bullshit he's been pulling.

    But this is coming from a guy who spent three days writing an essay defending Luke's character. So who knows.

  • You guys saying "Kenny would care about the baby more," well duh, even Kenny says "I've seen you take care of yourself more than any three adults put together" and you guys know she doesn't need help most of the time, also if Lukes RIBS!! ain't enough to pull Clem up, I doubt he'll really protect her, I mean he would try but he's most likely gonna be shot, everybody is and the most likely scene is where most are dead and Clem just Dropped to the ground covering her ears. Hehe anyway, I'd choose

  • Oh he really did well caring for clems well being while he was getting laid by jane, not saying kenny is a saint but he has done way better at caring for clem than luke has ever done.

    Flog61 posted: »

    Neither. But if I have to choose, it'll be luke. He just seems to care about Clem's well being more than Kenny did in that episode. I'm scared Kenny will prioritise the baby over Clem too.

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    I pick Kenny over Luke.

    Sure, Kenny's all messed up and he will put that baby above everything else (including Clementine), but at least his selfish motivations are channeled outward toward protecting others. Unlike how Luke tends to think only of himself during stressful moments, Kenny's a lot more protective and keeps doing what he believes is the right thing, even though it's clearly wearing him down and he's not very reliable anymore.

    It's just that I lost mad respect for Luke when he justified endangering everybody because "look around" and he "needed it." EVERYBODY is dealing with the same shitty world, but Luke seems to think he is somehow above doing what he says he'll do because Jane gave him the glad eye. Luke seems like an addict or something, idk. He just gives in way too easily to his whims and he promises many things, but rarely delivers. How many freaking times is he gonna do something like say he'll watch the perimeter, then come strolling up without a care in the world, then wind up shagging somebody instead of keeping a lookout? He's always disappearing, not reliable half the time, and is VERY selfish.

    Kenny was right to call Luke's outburst childish (though Kenny's an idiot too). At least with Kenny, I know what I"m getting and I know he can rally himself past incredible pain, hardship, and loss and still help others when crunch time comes. Luke, on the other hand, has been a repeated disappointment episode after episode and I no longer feel it is smart to count on him for anything, especially after how he let the whole group down...

    The moment I saw him walk up to the gift shop, and then afterwards when the walkers were everywhere and Luke was nowhere to be found, the one thing I kept yelling at the screen is "YOU HAD ONE JOB, LUKE! ONE JOB!!!!"

  • Lol, I kept yelling that at Luke this episode too. =)

  • Can't I like'em both?

    But if I absolutely had to pick one, I'd pick Luke. I like Kenny more, but I feel that he's had his time to shine. I haven't gotten to know Luke nearly as well as Kenny yet.

    Also, it kind of unsettles me that some people are actually concerned that Kenny would prioritize the baby over Clem. The thing is one day old. Clem's proven that she can handle herself much better than an infant, so if anything the baby needs to be prioritized more than her.

  • No, I think if it came down to it, Kenny would pick the baby over Clementine in a heartbeat. You seen how he shot Rebecca.

    Rock114 posted: »

    Can't I like'em both? But if I absolutely had to pick one, I'd pick Luke. I like Kenny more, but I feel that he's had his time to shine.

  • Yes! Kenny forever. He may be capricious, stubborn, and prone to anger, but he's focused on whatever he sets his mind to (boat?) and above all else, loyal. He knows how to be a father and a leader. Luke is a good, faithful guy, but he's a bit of a flake- younger and more inexperienced, prone to... distractions, cough cough, sex while on guard duty, and though he professes and shows a great love for "the group", he sometimes seems to "always keep moving" a bit too fast, quickly dismissing friends and companions once they lose their usefulness or die (two words of mourning for his lifelong best friend puts me off).

    Tolispro posted: »

    Kenny all the way!I always supported him at season 2 and I will.He and clementine have past..Duck,Katja,Lee..I cant forget all these.Luke on

  • You mean, You seen how he pretty much threw Rebecca aside as soon as the baby was born

    No, I think if it came down to it, Kenny would pick the baby over Clementine in a heartbeat. You seen how he shot Rebecca.

  • Honestly, I don't trust Kenny anymore, the guy's a walking time bomb and he screws over anyone he doesn't care about, a la Rebecca, leaving Clem behind in the Herd, voting to have Rebecca on her feet IMMEDIATELY after childbirth without remorse. Quite simply, I can't trust him. I don't trust either of them. Luke is too soft and naive. He's head strong but he's not a leader. He's a good man that has made a few drastic mistakes. I wouldn't put my life in neither of their hands

  • TEAMLUKE

  • I was on Kenny's side for season one and season 2 until episode 4. If Kenny makes up for it, I'll stay Kenny. If not, I'm going team Luke.

  • The problem with this being...?

    No, I think if it came down to it, Kenny would pick the baby over Clementine in a heartbeat. You seen how he shot Rebecca.

  • 3 days worth it.

    Michael7123 posted: »

    I found myself siding with Kenny this episode, though not out of any love for him. I'm honestly getting real sick of the bullshit he's been

  • I don't think it's fair to blame Kenny for leaving Clem behind in the herd. Considering what happened with Sarita, Kenny had every right to freak out and lose his cool. And, by the way, where was Luke during all of that? Oh, that's right, he ran off and left Clem behind too...

    As for Rebecca, I don't think Kenny voted to have her on her feet without remorse and I don't think it's fair to say that he doesn't care for her. He responds to Luke's objections by talking about how it's not warm there and there's no food, explaining that the group needs to get moving immediately because Rebecca needs food and warm shelter. Seems like his intentions were good, even if it pushed Rebecca too hard.

    As you ultimately see (if you make both choices), waiting a few days is no better for Rebecca than leaving immediately (except Luke gets annoyed at Clem for backing Kenny). Kenny might be hot-headed, but most of the decisions and choices he makes are based in his desire to do what is right. Luke's always wandering off and doing things for his own gratification (endangering the group).... I'm frankly surprised he didn't wander off again during the few days of rest. Seems to be all he's good at...

    Honestly, I don't trust Kenny anymore, the guy's a walking time bomb and he screws over anyone he doesn't care about, a la Rebecca, leaving

  • And people still forget that if weren't for Kenny, Lee would have died in Episode 1.

    Flog61 posted: »

    Firstly, Kenny was never with Clem for years. It was about three and a half months Secondly, him saving Clem's life is determinant in sea

  • Rebecca was in bad shape, but Kenny didn't care because all he wanted was to find a safe place for the baby. When Rebecca fell to the floor, Kenny showed no sympathy and wanted to keep moving so the baby can have a safe place (Luke was pissed at Kenny because he was pushing Rebecca too hard). He constantly wants to hold the baby even though Rebecca says that she wants her baby. Even shot Rebecca with no remorse when she posed a threat to that baby (not saying that's a bad thing though). Luke was sort of right when he said that Kenny was being weird about the baby. I'm just scared that what if Clem is getting overpowered by lurkers and Kenny is holding the baby? Most likely, Kenny would run away to preserve the baby even if it meant sacrificing Clem.

    Rock114 posted: »

    The problem with this being...?

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    Like i said before, Kenny once told me that he would be with me until the end, so i'll be with him too.

    And I really don't care about how Kenny acts in somebody else playthrough, I am following my storyline.

  • A safe place for the baby would be a safe place for Rebecca too. The group had no food, no shelter, and it was beginning to snow out just after Rebecca gave birth. She was clearly not doing well, yes, but waiting around for a few days doesn't improve the situation any when it just means that everyone gets hungrier and colder. If you decide to wait a few days it turns out that Rebecca is actually doing WORSE on the trip and ends up dying anyway. On the trip when Rebecca was dying, she fell and nearly dropped her baby on the ground. She could barely stand, let alone carry her own child. The kid needed to get handed off to someone else and Kenny volunteered. When Kenny shot Rebecca she was a walker, of course he had no remorse. She was dead and about to eat her own baby. Hell, I shot Rebecca without any remorse.

    Tell me why Kenny saving the baby over Clem is a bad thing. Especially when he's holding said baby. Do you really expect Kenny to fight off walkers while holding a baby in his hands? The guy isn't Superman, if he tried that he'd get himself, Clem, and the baby all killed. That situation is just a shitty choice with no right answer because Kenny would either have to let the baby die or let Clem die, but honestly, I would prefer for him to save the baby. Clem has more of a chance of pulling through than the kid would if Kenny ditched it to save Clem, or God forbid try to save Clem while still holding the child.

    Rebecca was in bad shape, but Kenny didn't care because all he wanted was to find a safe place for the baby. When Rebecca fell to the floor,

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    Kenny:

    I will never trust Kenny to look after Clem. Kenny seems that the only thing he cares about is that baby, so it seems he will do anything for it and maybe even save the baby instead of Clem. Just face it, that man is a wreck.

    Luke:

    I will never trust Luke to look after Clem. Luke is selfish, he chooses to have sex with Jane instead of watching the perimeter. By doing so, he endangered the whole group just to get his mojo on. Just face it, that man is just too selfish.

    Mike & Bonnie:

    I will trust Bonnie and Mike to look after Clem. Bonnie and Mike look so cute together and seem like the people who would die for Clem (atleast Bonnie). Mike has the muscle to keep the group alive and Bonnie will look after Clem. Mainly because she wants redemption.

  • Mike, Luke and Kenny are always fighting every goddam minute and Mike does 5x more than them and never whines.

  • Ok right now If it came down to a choice.. It would depend on the situation and what Kenny or Luke has done before this situation.. If Kenny does something really bad in episode 5 it might affect my decision and If Luke gets really close to Clementine and does something really good it will also affect my decision.. but right now Kenny would have to do something REALLY bad.. Like "snap" next episode.. I would honestly Pick Kenny right now...

    But knowing the writer... He will find a way to make this choice really hard...

  • edited July 2014

    This is going to be long, so.. brace yourself.

    As much as I like Kenny and appreciate his loyalty to the ones he considers family, Kenny is a very hot and cold person. He either values your friendship and fights alongside with you, or despises your entire being and fights against you. In my playthrough with Lee, Kenny needed convincing when Lee asked him to help rescue Clementine (this is determinant, of course, but this was just my personal experience). He hesitated because I didn't drop Ben nor did I hold Lilly back as he killed her father, despite saving his son and agreeing with him on many other things. Luke, on the other hand, went out to look for Clementine and whoever the player decided to save despite only knowing her for a day. If Nick is still missing, Luke goes back out a second time for his friend even though most would give up hope and continue on. He's the only one in his group to express interest in her life and what had happened beforehand. This carries on in episode four where even though we all probably wished he would talk more about their feelings, he still does check up on her twice.To add, no matter how crappy you treat him or oppose his plans, Luke never treats her harshly or pushes the failure of any plan (or the death of a friend) on her, no matter how grief stricken he could be.

    While this next point is definitely based on opinion, I tend to identify with Luke's values and plans more than I do Kenny's. Kenny tends to be very rash when it comes to planning, and while he has the right intentions in mind, he does not stop to think of the dangers that it may put everyone else in (re: wanting to fight three armed guards with his bare hands while everyone else still has their hands tied, or wanting to just wing it as he walked through a herd). I like the fact that Luke's group was run as a democracy of sorts. They look at every option, argue their case, and go for whatever seems best for the group. Luke listens to what his friends have to say. I appreciated that while Luke argues against heading out in the morning, he'll say okay to doing it anyway when Rebecca says that she wants to. Luke is just as loyal to his friends as Kenny is, and knows when to back down.

    Also, it's kind of scary that the thought Kenny would use his gun either against me, a group member, or himself even crossed my mind. Kenny was not in a good place mentally or emotionally after Sarita's death, and even Mike and Bonnie said they were pretty much unsure of what he would do to them. While I sympathize and understand why he would lash out at people, someone who you have to walk on egg shells around is not always the best to have lead your group. If the baby is what pulled him back from the edge (which I believe is the reason he didn't do something serious), what would he do if he lost the baby? Luke has managed to keep a level head even after he has now lost every single cabin member, and apologizes for the mistakes and bad decisions he makes. Also, the lengths Kenny went to in order to murder Carver was disturbing, as well as the fact that Kenny did not let up on the already dead zombie in episode four. Both of these moments reminded me of Molly when she discovered the doctor's corpse and you realized she had a lot of resentment and bitterness deep down. Luke didn't want to be that cruel, even to a dictator like Carver, and that was a quality I think I would share in a ZA. He wasn't against killing Carver.. he was just against brutally murdering him. To contrast how Kenny is often the instigator of arguments (as funny as his insults are), Luke typically tries to put the fire out. When Kenny and Nick are arguing at the dinner table, Luke stays silent and even tries to get Nick to stop adding to the argument at the end. Even when he has own reservations when it comes to Kenny, Luke will be sympathetic to her history with him and will empathize when he hears that Kenny lost his family. I believe he will also feel guilty for asking who Duck is if Clementine tells him that he was his son.

    Luke advocated for letting Clementine out of the shed despite not knowing for sure that the bite was from a dog. When he opposed Carver's way of leading the first time, Luke took the initiative and lead a group of six (possibly eight, if you count Reggie and if Nick's mom was alive at the time) out of there. Knowing first hand the danger he could be putting himself in because of this, Luke went for days without food and rest to break back in to get them all out. He could have ran, joined another group or went it alone, but he didn't. He came back for them. Again, he chased after and talked to Sarah for hours when he could have just left her to her own devices in the herd. His first reaction when everything goes south is to find Sarah and protect her from getting hurt. If the player chooses to leave Sarah behind, Luke still takes responsibility of it and will express guilt over even thinking of leaving, despite (again) his hours of persistence ("We were there for hours, y’know? I should’ve gotten through to her. I should have done… something. But all I did was leave her behind").

    Luke has his own set of flaws of course, and I think Kenny is an incredible character, but I just personally like Luke more.

    Reason?

  • They can both die for all I care. Monnie pls.

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