Being sheltered isn't a disability, Pete, Carlos and Nick are probably the first deaths she has had to handle. Most people will react strongly to that especially after never experiencing or seeing that in your life. Carlos hid her from the world, because he thought it would all blow over and when he realised his mistake there was nothing he could do.
Then why are you insisting that Sarah isn't confirmed to have a disability when she really obviously reacts in a much stronger fashion than … morethe rest of the people in the group, and that Carlos's whole reason for wanting to shelter her is that she would "cease to function"? Like I'm honestly confused how much you all need it spelled out for you.
In fact, if Telltale's point was that she isn't disabled then they have even more to answer for, as plenty of people who share similarities with Sarah's struggles, me included, swear up and down she is. Insisting that there's nothing wrong with her and she just isn't trying hard enough isn't at all better. It's kind of worse, actually.
But in doing so they directly went against what they did in Season One.
This isn't Final Fantasy. They aren't in separate universes. This is also not real life. So from a literary standpoint, the themes in Season 1 should have carried over to Season 2, or at least not fucking contradict each other because that is lazy writing and absolutely unacceptable.
So yeah, there's a problem with the narrative agreeing with what Jane was saying. Last season we were meant to sympathize with Molly, who also had a disabled sister that died, and realize that Crawford's "survival of the fittest" mentality brought about their downfall. This season is wholly enforcing it. Sorry if you can't realize that.
No, I don't considering the story and the deep shit they were in. Jane was right maybe some people aren't worth saving and it's not your job… more to push them along.
Besides Season 1 was about people can change and Season 2 seems to be living with your choices and mistakes.
Hey, everyone--
It's me, Greg Miller from IGN! I just wrote a big ol' blog about everything over on IGN (http://www.ign.com/blogs/greggy-… moreign/2014/08/10/the-walking-dead-sarah-and-normal/), but I wanted to make sure y'all saw it, too. I'll stick around to answer comments...
Hey--
So, today's been a mix of a lot of different Tweets. Lots about Christine Lakin on The GameOverGreggy Show and some about Twitch, but then, there's been a couple about yesterday's Playing Dead episode and Sarah.
At first, I was pretty stoked; no one ever Tweets me about Playing Dead! But a few of them got really combative, and I was a bit lost. Finally, someone linked me to this Tumblr about it, which you should really read for the rest of this post to make sense.
I'll wait.
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Hello, Greg. Thank you for acknowledging the reactions to the Play Dead, I wasn't expecting any acknowledgement at all, personally. I hope from now on you can be a little more conscious of the weight your words have and understand how hurtful it can be for people who love and relate to Sarah to hear things like that.
That being said, however, I think this apology would be better suited in it's own thread, rather than posted here.
Edit: However, as other people have pointed out, you sound more like you're apologizing for the fact that other people supposedly misinterpreted you rather than being genuinely remorseful for being offensive. As I've said I want to believe you're learning from this and to acknowledge our reactions in and of itself is appreciated but this is the wrong way to go about it.
Hey, everyone--
It's me, Greg Miller from IGN! I just wrote a big ol' blog about everything over on IGN (http://www.ign.com/blogs/greggy-… moreign/2014/08/10/the-walking-dead-sarah-and-normal/), but I wanted to make sure y'all saw it, too. I'll stick around to answer comments...
Hey--
So, today's been a mix of a lot of different Tweets. Lots about Christine Lakin on The GameOverGreggy Show and some about Twitch, but then, there's been a couple about yesterday's Playing Dead episode and Sarah.
At first, I was pretty stoked; no one ever Tweets me about Playing Dead! But a few of them got really combative, and I was a bit lost. Finally, someone linked me to this Tumblr about it, which you should really read for the rest of this post to make sense.
I'll wait.
OK. Caught up? Outside of disagreeing/being pretty bummed about being referred to as "an asshole to female characters" and a "shitpile," I understand where Marissa (and the handf… [view original content]
It's said that Carlos sheltered her through it probably under the belief that everything will blow over. Everything she's encountered is new and foreign to her and when Carlos realised he made a mistake and that she'll probably never be able to handle what the world is he tried to protect her until he died.
By not coming out and explicitly saying she was disabled is how they can get away with doing things like this.
Sarah isn't "confirmed" to… more be disabled, but... she quite clearly is. Countless disabled fans have identified her behavior as non-neurotypical and they're speaking from experience.
But in doing so they directly went against what they did in Season One.
This isn't Final Fantasy. They aren't in separate universes. This… more is also not real life. So from a literary standpoint, the themes in Season 1 should have carried over to Season 2, or at least not fucking contradict each other because that is lazy writing and absolutely unacceptable.
So yeah, there's a problem with the narrative agreeing with what Jane was saying. Last season we were meant to sympathize with Molly, who also had a disabled sister that died, and realize that Crawford's "survival of the fittest" mentality brought about their downfall. This season is wholly enforcing it. Sorry if you can't realize that.
To be honest, if Sarah's point was that she was not disabled and just not adjusting well enough, then that's even worse because there are disabled people struggling with panic attacks, like Sarah, who are told on a day-to-day basis they just aren't trying hard enough and are doing it to themselves. The way the handled her is bad no matter which way you slice it.
Insist she's not disabled if you want, but it just makes Telltale look worse at this point.
Being sheltered isn't a disability, Pete, Carlos and Nick are probably the first deaths she has had to handle. Most people will react strong… morely to that especially after never experiencing or seeing that in your life. Carlos hid her from the world, because he thought it would all blow over and when he realised his mistake there was nothing he could do.
Their "healthy" relationship with IGN makes me not want to buy anymore of their games.
As someone who can relate to Sarah and someone who had been there waiting with other fans when I first heard they were taking over the Sam and Max games (Yes I've been a lurker and telltale games fan since then) I'm very appalled by the fact that they don't care about me as a fan or as a human. I'm sorry but I think I'm going to have to sever my relationship with Telltale games.
Like I said before they're forced to so they can maintain a healthy relationship with IGN so they can report the news and continue to interview them. Its like an advertisement.
This sounds less like "I'm sorry I said something upsetting and offensive" and more like "I'm sorry you all misinterpreted me being gleeful over a teenage girl dying, and using a heavily loaded word, and got offended."
Hey, everyone--
It's me, Greg Miller from IGN! I just wrote a big ol' blog about everything over on IGN (http://www.ign.com/blogs/greggy-… moreign/2014/08/10/the-walking-dead-sarah-and-normal/), but I wanted to make sure y'all saw it, too. I'll stick around to answer comments...
Hey--
So, today's been a mix of a lot of different Tweets. Lots about Christine Lakin on The GameOverGreggy Show and some about Twitch, but then, there's been a couple about yesterday's Playing Dead episode and Sarah.
At first, I was pretty stoked; no one ever Tweets me about Playing Dead! But a few of them got really combative, and I was a bit lost. Finally, someone linked me to this Tumblr about it, which you should really read for the rest of this post to make sense.
I'll wait.
OK. Caught up? Outside of disagreeing/being pretty bummed about being referred to as "an asshole to female characters" and a "shitpile," I understand where Marissa (and the handf… [view original content]
Okay, while I appreciate the apology, this was a pretty shitty way to do it.
Don't apologize for causing offense, realize what you said was disrespectful and apologize for the offense. You honestly don't sound like you realize what the core problem of that video was, which was you were hateful to a character for not reacting in ways you deemed acceptable, and actually glad she died because of it. Just because you didn't think she was disabled doesn't make it any less hurtful for people who are and related to her because of it.
Hey, everyone--
It's me, Greg Miller from IGN! I just wrote a big ol' blog about everything over on IGN (http://www.ign.com/blogs/greggy-… moreign/2014/08/10/the-walking-dead-sarah-and-normal/), but I wanted to make sure y'all saw it, too. I'll stick around to answer comments...
Hey--
So, today's been a mix of a lot of different Tweets. Lots about Christine Lakin on The GameOverGreggy Show and some about Twitch, but then, there's been a couple about yesterday's Playing Dead episode and Sarah.
At first, I was pretty stoked; no one ever Tweets me about Playing Dead! But a few of them got really combative, and I was a bit lost. Finally, someone linked me to this Tumblr about it, which you should really read for the rest of this post to make sense.
I'll wait.
OK. Caught up? Outside of disagreeing/being pretty bummed about being referred to as "an asshole to female characters" and a "shitpile," I understand where Marissa (and the handf… [view original content]
Truth be told I have to agree with this. While I appreciate him coming forward and acknowledging us, I'm less than pleased with how he chose to word it. However, I'm going to try to see this from a glass-half-full perspective and hope that he's taking something positive away from this experience.
This sounds less like "I'm sorry I said something upsetting and offensive" and more like "I'm sorry you all misinterpreted me being gleeful over a teenage girl dying, and using a heavily loaded word, and got offended."
Okay, while I appreciate the apology, this was a pretty shitty way to do it.
Don't apologize for causing offense, realize what you said w… moreas disrespectful and apologize for the offense. You honestly don't sound like you realize what the core problem of that video was, which was you were hateful to a character for not reacting in ways you deemed acceptable, and actually glad she died because of it. Just because you didn't think she was disabled doesn't make it any less hurtful for people who are and related to her because of it.
And why do you think he was sheltering her? Because she wasn't like other kids. He literally says that to Clementine himself. He was protecting her because she was disabled.
It's said that Carlos sheltered her through it probably under the belief that everything will blow over. Everything she's encountered is new… more and foreign to her and when Carlos realised he made a mistake and that she'll probably never be able to handle what the world is he tried to protect her until he died.
I doubt you didn't "know" sarah was disabled. Way to scapegoat, greg. what you said was unacceptable and psychopathic. Literally celebrate a 15 year old girl's brutal death. Wow party!!! Not. It's okay to dislike a character but the way you did it is disgusting. Some people might say this is a video game but it honestly reflects how you are and would treat people IRL. There's honestly nothing to say about your apology or whatever you'd consider that reply. Just ridiculous.
Also, you should really start interviewing the guests in Playing Dead, rather than talking about your experience 100% of the time. Also please do not glorify a death, especially if it's somebody disabled or a teenage/adolescent.
Hey, everyone--
It's me, Greg Miller from IGN! I just wrote a big ol' blog about everything over on IGN (http://www.ign.com/blogs/greggy-… moreign/2014/08/10/the-walking-dead-sarah-and-normal/), but I wanted to make sure y'all saw it, too. I'll stick around to answer comments...
Hey--
So, today's been a mix of a lot of different Tweets. Lots about Christine Lakin on The GameOverGreggy Show and some about Twitch, but then, there's been a couple about yesterday's Playing Dead episode and Sarah.
At first, I was pretty stoked; no one ever Tweets me about Playing Dead! But a few of them got really combative, and I was a bit lost. Finally, someone linked me to this Tumblr about it, which you should really read for the rest of this post to make sense.
I'll wait.
OK. Caught up? Outside of disagreeing/being pretty bummed about being referred to as "an asshole to female characters" and a "shitpile," I understand where Marissa (and the handf… [view original content]
Genuine about his opinion? Opinion? Because hating and laughing at a 15 year old girl dying is being GENUINE. Stop riding and stop trying to justify greg's immature actions. They are not OKAY at all and it's sad how you view it as "normal". Tells me alot about you and the people who find greg's actions and "opinions" (if you consider them that) acceptable. It probably would've been best if greg never replied in the first place. Since this apology actually makes him look like a bigger ..... jerk.
Thank you so much for this Greg, but I feel posting this will be in vain considering people here are foaming out the mouth and are taking ev… moreerything in a severely wrong manner.
To me your opinion was a-okay and I understood your point of view and I feel some people were overreacting about your opinion. I truly love watching your version of "The Playing Dead" 'cause you give your opinion and input on the episode and you're genuine about it.
I know, I'm at least happy it was acknowledged enough for him to try to cover his ass. I just can't see his explanation as true though, there's no way he didn't mean normal as in not-disabled or not-mentally ill. If he meant she didn't fit into the world or the narrative or whatever, use "doesn't fit." He says its because Sarah didnt want to accept how bad everything truly was, but weren't other characters like that as well? Does Greg dislike them as much? The logic doesn't fit and it sounds like lying to cover up what we all knew he meant to begin with.
Truth be told I have to agree with this. While I appreciate him coming forward and acknowledging us, I'm less than pleased with how he chose… more to word it. However, I'm going to try to see this from a glass-half-full perspective and hope that he's taking something positive away from this experience.
We saw hints of this in Episode 2, remember. The only happy gay couple in the entire apocalypse is first ruined by Nick (who somehow manages to pull off a brilliant shot while still being too far away to understand Matthew wasn't threatening his friends) and then Carver blowing Walter's brains out. They weren't willing to actually show a gay couple alive together.
I think the entire Sarah situation reminds me (once again) about Hollywood - anyone injured or disabled WILL bite the dust as soon as an opp… moreortunity arise, and unfortunately, TTG has taken impression of that.
Now, I do think that in most disasters, the people who will die first are the ones too weak to get away - small children, elderly, disabled people. But here's the kicker: they CAN make it. That was why I saw in Sarah one of the first really original characters - a not too bright teenage girl. And also, because she was such a rare character, I wanted to keep her as long as possible.
And then TTG comes along and not only shit all over that ideabut no one cared one bit. I don't mind that she died really, or that she died in a pointless way (shit happens), but that no one cared about it. I mean, blink and you miss that she died in the first place!
Jesus, the gamer community is so damn toxic. This is why we need young people who are sensitive and thoughtful, not thirty-something white guys who spew bigoted crap just because they're confident THEY will never be in an uncomfortable position. I don't buy faux-pologies when they still prove that the person responsible does not understand WHY the things they said were so stupid.
And why do you think he was sheltering her? Because she wasn't like other kids. He literally says that to Clementine himself. He was protecting her because she was disabled.
Genuine about his opinion? Opinion? Because hating and laughing at a 15 year old girl dying is being GENUINE. Stop riding and stop trying to… more justify greg's immature actions. They are not OKAY at all and it's sad how you view it as "normal". Tells me alot about you and the people who find greg's actions and "opinions" (if you consider them that) acceptable. It probably would've been best if greg never replied in the first place. Since this apology actually makes him look like a bigger ..... jerk.
Hey I usually agree you but I think you're reaching with that. I don't think because they were a happy gay couple is the reason they died. That was to see if you wanted to save nick from Walter or not and they just so happened to be gay.
We saw hints of this in Episode 2, remember. The only happy gay couple in the entire apocalypse is first ruined by Nick (who somehow manage… mores to pull off a brilliant shot while still being too far away to understand Matthew wasn't threatening his friends) and then Carver blowing Walter's brains out. They weren't willing to actually show a gay couple alive together.
Greg, don't apologize. People are taking your opinion on a fictional character way too seriously. I disagree with yours and think that Sarah is a great character, but you played the game the way how you played, and that's how the game is supposed to work in the first place.
Also, you found out that Sarah was confirmed to be mentally disabled AFTER your show. So why are people still roasting you? Because they incredibly sensitive. They shouldn't care what you said, but they are because for whatever reason, it's an obligation for them to care.
To the people who are offended, just let it go. Seriously, an internet talk show host stating his opinion about a fictional video game character is nothing to get upset over.
Hey, everyone--
It's me, Greg Miller from IGN! I just wrote a big ol' blog about everything over on IGN (http://www.ign.com/blogs/greggy-… moreign/2014/08/10/the-walking-dead-sarah-and-normal/), but I wanted to make sure y'all saw it, too. I'll stick around to answer comments...
Hey--
So, today's been a mix of a lot of different Tweets. Lots about Christine Lakin on The GameOverGreggy Show and some about Twitch, but then, there's been a couple about yesterday's Playing Dead episode and Sarah.
At first, I was pretty stoked; no one ever Tweets me about Playing Dead! But a few of them got really combative, and I was a bit lost. Finally, someone linked me to this Tumblr about it, which you should really read for the rest of this post to make sense.
I'll wait.
OK. Caught up? Outside of disagreeing/being pretty bummed about being referred to as "an asshole to female characters" and a "shitpile," I understand where Marissa (and the handf… [view original content]
Greg, don't apologize. People are taking your opinion on a fictional character way too seriously. I disagree with yours and think that Sarah… more is a great character, but you played the game the way how you played, and that's how the game is supposed to work in the first place.
Also, you found out that Sarah was confirmed to be mentally disabled AFTER your show. So why are people still roasting you? Because they incredibly sensitive. They shouldn't care what you said, but they are because for whatever reason, it's an obligation for them to care.
To the people who are offended, just let it go. Seriously, an internet talk show host stating his opinion about a fictional video game character is nothing to get upset over.
It's pretty common knowledge that the media has an obvious effect on how people see and treat people in their lives. You can't excuse it because "it's an opinion" or "it's not real". These things have influence and effects, and they are very real.
Greg, don't apologize. People are taking your opinion on a fictional character way too seriously. I disagree with yours and think that Sarah… more is a great character, but you played the game the way how you played, and that's how the game is supposed to work in the first place.
Also, you found out that Sarah was confirmed to be mentally disabled AFTER your show. So why are people still roasting you? Because they incredibly sensitive. They shouldn't care what you said, but they are because for whatever reason, it's an obligation for them to care.
To the people who are offended, just let it go. Seriously, an internet talk show host stating his opinion about a fictional video game character is nothing to get upset over.
He explicitly said she deserved to die for not being normal. { Granted, he said he didn't know she was disabled, but many people do think of her as such, and hear him say this, and support him saying this, while believing Sarah is disabled. }
Sure, the characters aren’t real. Sarah isn’t real, Nick isn’t real, Bonnie isn’t real, et cetera. But there are people like Sarah, people with autism or anxiety or other kinds of mental disorders, who are real. There are real people who are like Sarah, who exist outside of the apocalypse, who are told the same thing. There are mentally ill people who.are.killed. for their illnesses, for “not being normal.”
There is a point where it stops being “just” a video game character.
Greg, don't apologize. People are taking your opinion on a fictional character way too seriously. I disagree with yours and think that Sarah… more is a great character, but you played the game the way how you played, and that's how the game is supposed to work in the first place.
Also, you found out that Sarah was confirmed to be mentally disabled AFTER your show. So why are people still roasting you? Because they incredibly sensitive. They shouldn't care what you said, but they are because for whatever reason, it's an obligation for them to care.
To the people who are offended, just let it go. Seriously, an internet talk show host stating his opinion about a fictional video game character is nothing to get upset over.
You know, I found this discussion page, maybe more than a week ago? Anyway, I was searching for someone that shared my opinions, as well as concerns, about the flaws in season 2 of the walking dead. And I was glad that I found it, with TT247's post. It confirmed problems that I found in the lack of illusion, inconsistency with how the characters are written, how they were carbon copies (i.e. Jane) or written off with a death that can't be prevented at all, etc. I felt cathartic, because it seemed like the game was getting lauded for great story and characters when there a lot of flaws, and convenient deaths, which people seem to forget because they have to wait between each episode to play it. I like that commenters agreed, with all the thumbs up to confirm this, and thumbs down for everyone else that disagreed lol.
I came back 30 minutes ago and found that you guys were really angry about comments this guy made on IGN and went to see the video about what he said that was so offensive.
And I don't share your opinion and feelings on this, namely your outrage.
I mean come on guys, seriously?
I made an account today just to post this comment.
And thats all I can really say, because I'll probably never understand your moral outrage at this; so replying to my comment is going to pointless. Seriously, there are worse things happening to real people and you'd think everyone would be running empty on outrage considering how much crap there is in the world. Hell, I'm starting to sound like I'm being morally outraged and preaching to you. Sorry about that.
Anyways, thumb me up or down however you like. I don't really care about thumbs anymore. Except the ones attached to my hands I guess. Cause I use them to play video games. And type.
So you agree that it's poorly written, but find nothing wrong with a grown man cackling and reveling in the chance to let a vulnerable simulated character die horribly?
You know, I found this discussion page, maybe more than a week ago? Anyway, I was searching for someone that shared my opinions, as well as … moreconcerns, about the flaws in season 2 of the walking dead. And I was glad that I found it, with TT247's post. It confirmed problems that I found in the lack of illusion, inconsistency with how the characters are written, how they were carbon copies (i.e. Jane) or written off with a death that can't be prevented at all, etc. I felt cathartic, because it seemed like the game was getting lauded for great story and characters when there a lot of flaws, and convenient deaths, which people seem to forget because they have to wait between each episode to play it. I like that commenters agreed, with all the thumbs up to confirm this, and thumbs down for everyone else that disagreed lol.
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My "moral outrage" stems from me being a mentally ill woman who was once a mentally ill child, who spent that childhood being berated for not being "normal" enough and told I would never be capable of having a real life or achieving any of my dreams. I proved those people wrong. There are many other people who have this exact fucking life story, there are children Sarah's age with this exact fucking issue happening to them. A character who has that exact narrative overcoming it and proving people she IS capable despite whatever disability she has is important, not just for representation for those of us who are disabled and told we can never achieve anything a "normal" person can, but also for "normal" people to realize that we are not just our disabilities and not incapable of being part of communities or society.
That is where the outrage is coming from. At least from me.
You know, I found this discussion page, maybe more than a week ago? Anyway, I was searching for someone that shared my opinions, as well as … moreconcerns, about the flaws in season 2 of the walking dead. And I was glad that I found it, with TT247's post. It confirmed problems that I found in the lack of illusion, inconsistency with how the characters are written, how they were carbon copies (i.e. Jane) or written off with a death that can't be prevented at all, etc. I felt cathartic, because it seemed like the game was getting lauded for great story and characters when there a lot of flaws, and convenient deaths, which people seem to forget because they have to wait between each episode to play it. I like that commenters agreed, with all the thumbs up to confirm this, and thumbs down for everyone else that disagreed lol.
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I don't think slapping Sarah was necessarily meant to be malicious in any sort of way. I certainly didn't mean to be that way when I chose that option. I simply wanted her to wake up.
My "moral outrage" stems from me being a mentally ill woman who was once a mentally ill child, who spent that childhood being berated for no… moret being "normal" enough and told I would never be capable of having a real life or achieving any of my dreams. I proved those people wrong. There are many other people who have this exact fucking life story, there are children Sarah's age with this exact fucking issue happening to them. A character who has that exact narrative overcoming it and proving people she IS capable despite whatever disability she has is important, not just for representation for those of us who are disabled and told we can never achieve anything a "normal" person can, but also for "normal" people to realize that we are not just our disabilities and not incapable of being part of communities or society.
That is where the outrage is coming from. At least from me.
What you said is no different from people saying that Video Games are destroying society and ruining lives.
It's a GAME. You should know as well as me and everyone else that yeah, the media leaves influences and affects, but only if we ALLOW ourselves to be influenced or affected by it, good or bad.
Even though the game is supposed to simulate a sort-of roleplaying experience as Greg mentioned, it makes no sense to compare being put into a situation where you have to make an intense life or death situation to save someone, and to be put in a situation where you're doing the exact something except your sitting on a couch and playing a game to do it.
How it influences you all depends on you letting it do so. Just because I decided to rob some Russian kid of his medicine in a video game doesn't mean I'll do it in real-life. Just because I ran over a 50 people driving a sports car in Grand Theft Auto, it doesn't mean I'll do it in real-life (mainly because I can't afford one in the first place).
copy pasting again
It's pretty common knowledge that the media has an obvious effect on how people see and treat people in their lives. Y… moreou can't excuse it because "it's an opinion" or "it's not real". These things have influence and effects, and they are very real.
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He did seven minutes before your post. Sorry if that sounded dickish.
Hey--
It's cool. Thanks for hearing me out.
Greg
Being sheltered isn't a disability, Pete, Carlos and Nick are probably the first deaths she has had to handle. Most people will react strongly to that especially after never experiencing or seeing that in your life. Carlos hid her from the world, because he thought it would all blow over and when he realised his mistake there was nothing he could do.
But in doing so they directly went against what they did in Season One.
This isn't Final Fantasy. They aren't in separate universes. This is also not real life. So from a literary standpoint, the themes in Season 1 should have carried over to Season 2, or at least not fucking contradict each other because that is lazy writing and absolutely unacceptable.
So yeah, there's a problem with the narrative agreeing with what Jane was saying. Last season we were meant to sympathize with Molly, who also had a disabled sister that died, and realize that Crawford's "survival of the fittest" mentality brought about their downfall. This season is wholly enforcing it. Sorry if you can't realize that.
Carlos voice: It's okay. You're forgiven. Just don't make any more mistakes
Hello, Greg. Thank you for acknowledging the reactions to the Play Dead, I wasn't expecting any acknowledgement at all, personally. I hope from now on you can be a little more conscious of the weight your words have and understand how hurtful it can be for people who love and relate to Sarah to hear things like that.
That being said, however, I think this apology would be better suited in it's own thread, rather than posted here.
Edit: However, as other people have pointed out, you sound more like you're apologizing for the fact that other people supposedly misinterpreted you rather than being genuinely remorseful for being offensive. As I've said I want to believe you're learning from this and to acknowledge our reactions in and of itself is appreciated but this is the wrong way to go about it.
It's said that Carlos sheltered her through it probably under the belief that everything will blow over. Everything she's encountered is new and foreign to her and when Carlos realised he made a mistake and that she'll probably never be able to handle what the world is he tried to protect her until he died.
I do realise that and I agree it's contradicting, but it's the story they want to tell and the story that most of us are fans of.
To be honest, if Sarah's point was that she was not disabled and just not adjusting well enough, then that's even worse because there are disabled people struggling with panic attacks, like Sarah, who are told on a day-to-day basis they just aren't trying hard enough and are doing it to themselves. The way the handled her is bad no matter which way you slice it.
Insist she's not disabled if you want, but it just makes Telltale look worse at this point.
Their "healthy" relationship with IGN makes me not want to buy anymore of their games.
As someone who can relate to Sarah and someone who had been there waiting with other fans when I first heard they were taking over the Sam and Max games (Yes I've been a lurker and telltale games fan since then) I'm very appalled by the fact that they don't care about me as a fan or as a human. I'm sorry but I think I'm going to have to sever my relationship with Telltale games.
I was still making the post after he posted that comment. I take a long time to type out my posts and reword them a few times before I post it
This sounds less like "I'm sorry I said something upsetting and offensive" and more like "I'm sorry you all misinterpreted me being gleeful over a teenage girl dying, and using a heavily loaded word, and got offended."
It's okay I am sorry I pointed that out.
I don't see that tweet. Maybe fake?
Here ya go.
Okay, while I appreciate the apology, this was a pretty shitty way to do it.
Don't apologize for causing offense, realize what you said was disrespectful and apologize for the offense. You honestly don't sound like you realize what the core problem of that video was, which was you were hateful to a character for not reacting in ways you deemed acceptable, and actually glad she died because of it. Just because you didn't think she was disabled doesn't make it any less hurtful for people who are and related to her because of it.
Truth be told I have to agree with this. While I appreciate him coming forward and acknowledging us, I'm less than pleased with how he chose to word it. However, I'm going to try to see this from a glass-half-full perspective and hope that he's taking something positive away from this experience.
This is exactly what I was going to say. While I do appreciate the acknowledgment I don't feel like it helped anything.
And why do you think he was sheltering her? Because she wasn't like other kids. He literally says that to Clementine himself. He was protecting her because she was disabled.
Your apology is not accepted. Horrible excuse.
I doubt you didn't "know" sarah was disabled. Way to scapegoat, greg. what you said was unacceptable and psychopathic. Literally celebrate a 15 year old girl's brutal death. Wow party!!! Not. It's okay to dislike a character but the way you did it is disgusting. Some people might say this is a video game but it honestly reflects how you are and would treat people IRL. There's honestly nothing to say about your apology or whatever you'd consider that reply. Just ridiculous.
Also, you should really start interviewing the guests in Playing Dead, rather than talking about your experience 100% of the time. Also please do not glorify a death, especially if it's somebody disabled or a teenage/adolescent.
Genuine about his opinion? Opinion? Because hating and laughing at a 15 year old girl dying is being GENUINE. Stop riding and stop trying to justify greg's immature actions. They are not OKAY at all and it's sad how you view it as "normal". Tells me alot about you and the people who find greg's actions and "opinions" (if you consider them that) acceptable. It probably would've been best if greg never replied in the first place. Since this apology actually makes him look like a bigger ..... jerk.
just disgusting. and it really saddens me how telltale favorites that post too. do they REALLY care about their characters? Guess not.
I know, I'm at least happy it was acknowledged enough for him to try to cover his ass. I just can't see his explanation as true though, there's no way he didn't mean normal as in not-disabled or not-mentally ill. If he meant she didn't fit into the world or the narrative or whatever, use "doesn't fit." He says its because Sarah didnt want to accept how bad everything truly was, but weren't other characters like that as well? Does Greg dislike them as much? The logic doesn't fit and it sounds like lying to cover up what we all knew he meant to begin with.
We saw hints of this in Episode 2, remember. The only happy gay couple in the entire apocalypse is first ruined by Nick (who somehow manages to pull off a brilliant shot while still being too far away to understand Matthew wasn't threatening his friends) and then Carver blowing Walter's brains out. They weren't willing to actually show a gay couple alive together.
Jesus, the gamer community is so damn toxic. This is why we need young people who are sensitive and thoughtful, not thirty-something white guys who spew bigoted crap just because they're confident THEY will never be in an uncomfortable position. I don't buy faux-pologies when they still prove that the person responsible does not understand WHY the things they said were so stupid.
So it's not normal for a father to shelter his daughter?
gen·u·ine
adjective
truly what something is said to be; authentic
He held true to his opinion and he still is.
Hey I usually agree you but I think you're reaching with that. I don't think because they were a happy gay couple is the reason they died. That was to see if you wanted to save nick from Walter or not and they just so happened to be gay.
Hate>Opinion
Greg, don't apologize. People are taking your opinion on a fictional character way too seriously. I disagree with yours and think that Sarah is a great character, but you played the game the way how you played, and that's how the game is supposed to work in the first place.
Also, you found out that Sarah was confirmed to be mentally disabled AFTER your show. So why are people still roasting you? Because they incredibly sensitive. They shouldn't care what you said, but they are because for whatever reason, it's an obligation for them to care.
To the people who are offended, just let it go. Seriously, an internet talk show host stating his opinion about a fictional video game character is nothing to get upset over.
This forum needs more people like you tyler.
copy pasting again
It's pretty common knowledge that the media has an obvious effect on how people see and treat people in their lives. You can't excuse it because "it's an opinion" or "it's not real". These things have influence and effects, and they are very real.
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He explicitly said she deserved to die for not being normal. { Granted, he said he didn't know she was disabled, but many people do think of her as such, and hear him say this, and support him saying this, while believing Sarah is disabled. }
Sure, the characters aren’t real. Sarah isn’t real, Nick isn’t real, Bonnie isn’t real, et cetera. But there are people like Sarah, people with autism or anxiety or other kinds of mental disorders, who are real. There are real people who are like Sarah, who exist outside of the apocalypse, who are told the same thing. There are mentally ill people who. are. killed. for their illnesses, for “not being normal.”
There is a point where it stops being “just” a video game character.
Its normal for a father to shelter his daughter but even more common for a parent to shelter their disabled child.
You know, I found this discussion page, maybe more than a week ago? Anyway, I was searching for someone that shared my opinions, as well as concerns, about the flaws in season 2 of the walking dead. And I was glad that I found it, with TT247's post. It confirmed problems that I found in the lack of illusion, inconsistency with how the characters are written, how they were carbon copies (i.e. Jane) or written off with a death that can't be prevented at all, etc. I felt cathartic, because it seemed like the game was getting lauded for great story and characters when there a lot of flaws, and convenient deaths, which people seem to forget because they have to wait between each episode to play it. I like that commenters agreed, with all the thumbs up to confirm this, and thumbs down for everyone else that disagreed lol.
I came back 30 minutes ago and found that you guys were really angry about comments this guy made on IGN and went to see the video about what he said that was so offensive.
And I don't share your opinion and feelings on this, namely your outrage.
I mean come on guys, seriously?
I made an account today just to post this comment.
And thats all I can really say, because I'll probably never understand your moral outrage at this; so replying to my comment is going to pointless. Seriously, there are worse things happening to real people and you'd think everyone would be running empty on outrage considering how much crap there is in the world. Hell, I'm starting to sound like I'm being morally outraged and preaching to you. Sorry about that.
Anyways, thumb me up or down however you like. I don't really care about thumbs anymore. Except the ones attached to my hands I guess. Cause I use them to play video games. And type.
So you agree that it's poorly written, but find nothing wrong with a grown man cackling and reveling in the chance to let a vulnerable simulated character die horribly?
Priorities, man.
My "moral outrage" stems from me being a mentally ill woman who was once a mentally ill child, who spent that childhood being berated for not being "normal" enough and told I would never be capable of having a real life or achieving any of my dreams. I proved those people wrong. There are many other people who have this exact fucking life story, there are children Sarah's age with this exact fucking issue happening to them. A character who has that exact narrative overcoming it and proving people she IS capable despite whatever disability she has is important, not just for representation for those of us who are disabled and told we can never achieve anything a "normal" person can, but also for "normal" people to realize that we are not just our disabilities and not incapable of being part of communities or society.
That is where the outrage is coming from. At least from me.
The game is very unsubtle about giving Clementine the exact same psychotically angry look that Carver had when he smashed Kenny's eye to bits.
Is that the right kind of parallel you should draw?
Same here.
The whole thing feels like I'm being punched in the face again for being different.
What you said is no different from people saying that Video Games are destroying society and ruining lives.
It's a GAME. You should know as well as me and everyone else that yeah, the media leaves influences and affects, but only if we ALLOW ourselves to be influenced or affected by it, good or bad.
Even though the game is supposed to simulate a sort-of roleplaying experience as Greg mentioned, it makes no sense to compare being put into a situation where you have to make an intense life or death situation to save someone, and to be put in a situation where you're doing the exact something except your sitting on a couch and playing a game to do it.
How it influences you all depends on you letting it do so. Just because I decided to rob some Russian kid of his medicine in a video game doesn't mean I'll do it in real-life. Just because I ran over a 50 people driving a sports car in Grand Theft Auto, it doesn't mean I'll do it in real-life (mainly because I can't afford one in the first place).