I hope kenny dies in the finale.
He is a waste of space. He overshadows everyone. Every part of an episode has a bit where you have to calm kenny down. The development he sponges up could've gone to rebecca, sarah, alvin, nick, luke, Mike, and Bonnie but instead the game insists that kenny overshadow other characters.
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It's in Kenny's character to talk over everyone, and instead of having to calm him down you could- you know, actually side with him...
I do agree that the other characters should of got better development but... #Kenny4Lyf
I really don't want any deaths just because... Kenny living to Season 3 would be more positive than negative in my opinion, there're too many unnecessary and unexplained/illogical deaths, they shouldn't just kill people off for the sake of doing so.
let hope that they gun down kenny in the first minutes of episode 5 that would be great
he can get anoying some times but i don't want him to die.....
I don't think Kenny is really sponging up development. However, I do wish that the other characters had received a similar amount of development time. It's as if they're just loading on the development to make a potential death for him seem more sad.
Wait a minute.
dafuq is wrong with you
I'm still sort of pissed about that "You didn't kill Larry so you're a prick" thing he pulled on me in Ep3, but I guess he's kind of okay in S2. They're probably going to kill him off anyway.
It really amazes me how many people wish Kenny was dead ever since the beginning, even though he's pretty much the reason Lee lived through episode one.
It's almost as if this thread was made purely to anger people...
And this thread dies along with him.
Well, excuse me, but Telltale had plenty of chances to develop the Cabin Group and they just didn't take them.
Episode One: They could've easily added 20 more minutes to a very short episode and use that in a conversation with Alvin, Pete, or whoever.
Episode Two: The small "hub" after the bridge scene was a golden opportunity for some development. However, people either brush you off or give you orders. Also, the Lodge. Only Rebecca was used properly here.
Episode Three and Four: Perfect environment for character development. They're either prisoners or sitting around in a park. Of course, the Jane-Apocalypse happened and she later ran off. In Episode 3, after we meet Reggie, wasn't that a great opening for a long talk with Sarah, Bec, or Nick? Kenny wasn't even a factor. He was doing his thing with Reggie.
Has Kenny been overused and hogging the spotlight a bit? Sure. But to say it's his fault no one else got developed is claptrap.
Blame the writers
I just wish other characters would get a fair shot at becoming relevant. I think letting Clem choose to go her own way would be better than killing Kenny off. As someone who thought that would be a legitimate choice in season one, I would be happy to see it in season two. If they make another season, then I don't want it to be another one that focuses on agreeing or appeasing Kenny on everything or else you'll get an annoying argument. I don't hate Kenny, but I want something different next season.
yea your right i'm just pissed about development of the cabin group i don't hate kenny i just don't like his character he's a bully that is just my opinion
Kenny is a god. You cannot kill a god! Such a naive and intoxicating innocence!
"I hope Kenny dies in the finale" Trust me!You dont wanna mess with the Kenny army!
KennyIsLuf.KennyIsLayf
If you hate Kenny for who he is, perfectly fine with me. I'm not gonna crack moustache jokes at you. It's your choice.
However, blaming him for the writer's miscues is pretty damn farcical.
I don't mind if Kenny stays alive or he dies, i just wish that the cabin group got some character development too.
...And he got beat up by Carver in order to protect Clementine.
You want Kenny to DIE?! If you do, you'll face the wrath of the crowbar and the saltlick....
Uh, we are blaming the writers if we don't like how much they are focusing on one character. You just admitted yourself that he is overused and hogging the spotlight. It's annoying because he had his time to shine. Why couldn't the writers give other characters an opportunity? They knew that all would be forgiven if they tossed in a fan favorite and gave him the most memorable moments in every episode. Kenny was the one chosen, and the writer's single minded focus on him has brought down other characters' potential because there is only so much screen time for any given episode.
No, I admitted that he is being overused. I used a very clear point by point method explaining why Kenny has little to nothing to do with the lack of character development.
We met Kenny halfway through Episode 2. What did you know about anyone from the Cabin by then? (With the exception of Nick). Was it his beard's fault?
I also pointed out situations where eveyone could've been developed without Kenny getting in the way.
Hell, he was in depression this whole episode. JANE got all the development.
He might die, or not. We will see.
The thing is, from a meta perspective, you can blame Kenny's return for the lack of development. Keep in mind that the writers made a conscious decision to put all the focus on Kenny. For example, Episode 3 after we met Reggie. The writers deliberately decided to give Kenny most of the dialogue and focus of that scene and shaft everyone else. And the reason the writers focused so much on him, of course, is because they were banking on players' connections to him from Season 1. They were being lazy and relying on pre-existing emotional bonds so they wouldn't have to put in any effort on making new ones. Kenny's mere presence let the writer's get away with spotlight inequality, so I think its understandable that people resent Kenny's presence in Season 2, especially considering the fact that he already co-starred in 5 episodes in Season 1. He frankly didn't need more focus.
In fact, before Kenny showed up in Episode 2, I'd argue that the cabin group was getting their much needed development, Sarah and Nick being the prime examples. But all that was halted so Clem could have her reunite with Kenny moment.
Woah, you might wanna bleep out Kenny's name in your thread title. Sure, it's an old spoiler, but some people are trying to let the episodes stack up.
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You can't blame the fact that the writers couldn't follow through on developing everyone else on Kenny. I provided clear examples how everyone could've gotten their much needed development. As a matter of fact, I gave you about four of them.
I have to disagree there. With the exception of Nick, no one got "their much needed development".
Alvin was the same quiet, nice guy he was in Episode 1.
Carlos went from "STAY AWAY FROM MY DAUGHTER" to "Can you please watch Sarah?" with no actual basis or reasoning behind it.
Rebecca. To a lesser degree. You can make the argument she was developed or did an 180 degree turn. You choose.
Pete is either dead or died five minutes later.
Sarah. Only her relationship with Clem was explored. I didn't see much character development there.
I think maybe I didn't explain myself clearly enough. The run time of these episodes are somewhat limited. It is because of this that it is sort of difficult to develop characters in a span of one episode. We can get a good sense of who we are, but characters typically won't make much progress within the first episode that they are introduced in. The issue that I have is that Kenny (and his group's) plot was introduced right in the middle of episode two. During episode two of the first season, we got a good sense of the group's dynamic and it's affect on the characters. That didn't happen in this season because the dynamic shifted from how the group was interacting with our protagonist and the other people of the group, but rather how the group would be able to interact with Kenny and his group. Basically, the addition of his group added too many characters at once, especially because we didn't have much time to get to know and develop with the group that we had just joined.
What further added to this issue was that since Kenny was the most familiar face, the focus of the new group shifted to him. It became about how Kenny has survived for so long rather than how the group has survived for so long, if that makes sense. The majority of character development focused on Kenny for the majority of the second half of episode two. In episode three, it seemed like whenever someone had to do something brave or heroic, the duty automatically fell to Clem or Kenny. We need a door open? Better turn to Clem. We need someone to take the fall for us? Better turn to Kenny. We need Carver dead? Better turn to Clem and Kenny. This was an opportunity to have some other member of the group do something, but Clem and Kenny were the only ones shown to be capable of doing anything right.
I felt like episode four was half and half with Kenny and Jane. The whole part of the episode before going to look for Sarah was focused on how angry and dangerous Kenny was acting. Then we went and took care of the Sarah situation. After that, we were again focused on Kenny because apparently he's the only one who knows anything about kids. After that we had the Arvos and Jane scene followed by a rare Bonnie and Mike section. After Sarah died, the focus again focused on how the birth of the child brought some light into Kenny's world, and Kenny was the one who started the discussion on what to do next.
This season has had the issue of making many of the characters of both survivor groups just be incredibly useless. They had Kenny and Clementine take care of a lot of things because we knew they were capable of doing these things. A lot of the emotional moments focused on Clementine and Kenny because we understood their pasts and motives. Basically, they are the two characters who are capable of carrying the majority of an episode. The problem is that when you have characters like that, they do end up carrying the episode. I want fresh faces in this series. I want to have more than two interesting characters in this story. That's my issue. This plot isn't big enough for the two of them.
I can blame the writers, because it was their job to give every one of their characters focus. The fact that they ignored that responsibility in favour of giving all their attention to Kenny is why people resent the man. And even in the examples you mentioned, in the ones where Kenny wasn't present, the cabin group did get development.
◦Episode One: They could've easily added 20 more minutes to a very short episode and use that in a conversation with Alvin, Pete, or whoever.
The optional conversation with Alvin revealed that he wasn't just a henpecked husband who went with everything his wife wanted. He had his own conscious and moral code, and was nice to a fault in that he couldn't help but care about injured strangers. Meanwhile, Nick also quickly developed from a reckless asshole into a sensitive, self-conscious man who acted tough to protect himself.
◦Episode Two: The small "hub" after the bridge scene was a golden opportunity for some development. However, people either brush you off or give you orders. Also, the Lodge. Only Rebecca was used properly here.
You forget that this is where Nick gets a lot of development, since he explains how he wants to help the group, but finds that he only screws everything up and wonders if he's "really losing it". And if you saved Pete, this is where he tells you about his failed business with Luke, so that's even more development.
And I have to disagree about Sarah. In Episode 1, she was introduced as a sheltered, useless but nice girl who could be easily manipulated. Episode 2 revealed that, in spite of her vulnerability, she was still quite intelligent and aware of her situation, far more than Carlos believed. She asked Clem to train her, and quite wisely knew that 'Everything is dangerous. I need to know sometimes."
The bottom line is that before Kenny showed up, the cabin group was clearly getting the brunt of the character development and focus. All of that was sacrificed and ignored for more Kenny fan service once Kenny showed up.
I think the first point I adressed what how the overall lenght was negatively affecting the episodes.
Again, I see what you're saying. However, you can't blame it on Kenny that TTG bit off more than they can chew. I provided a lot of examples in my first post here. Kenny doesn't write the episodes. He could've easily had "His moments" while the rest still got their development.
Neither is it Kenny's fault Telltale portrayed the Cabin survivors as unable or dumb.
If you're saying Season 2 without Kenny would have given the rest more moments of glory, good point. It's not on him that Telltale lost clue what they were doing with their characters. Cough, Nick, Cough.
It does seem that we have some middle ground. I don't want him gone because I don't like him as a character. Granted, I don't really like him, but that's not why I want him gone. The way Telltale has used him has made me fatigued of his character, and it doesn't give me hope for future plots involving him and Clementine. I felt like the execution was poor, and I don't have any reason to believe the execution will be better in the future. That's my stance.
Ah. If you would be kind enough to explain how Nick wishing me a good night or Sarah saying she wants to behave is character development I would appreciate it. Again, only Rebecca was used properly here. The only relevancy anything else had is Nick saying he trusts Luke. Didn't you know that already? We could've had LENGHTY conversations with either one of them. How was Kenny an obstacle? I simply can't follow that pattern.
Nick did, like always. Right before he became a non factor. It's Kenny's fault! No one else even entertains thr idea of talking to Clem.
I disagree. That's hardly character development. If we're going by that logic, all that development went out the window as soon as she pointed a gun at Clem's head. She went back to being useless there, right?
This is exactly what I think. I dislike Kenny, but that's not why I want him gone. People like Larry and the St. Johns proved that even hateable characters can be great and have something to add to the story, by providing drama and opposing ideologies and the like. This is why I appreciated Kenny so much in Season 1; I rarely agreed with him or even liked him as a person, but I could understand his stance on things and still felt horrible for him when he lost his family. My thoughts on him were an incredibly conflicted mix of disdain and pity and respect, something that's lacking in Season 2. Kenny's adding nothing interesting to the story this season. His character arc is a lazy recycle of his arc in the first season, and the drama between him and Luke is so transparently artificial. And let's not even get started on the prop known as Sarita.
The conversation with Nick after the shed clearly showed that he wasn't just an angry violent guy who wanted to kill kids. He apologized to Clem, revealed his past in which he was forced to kill his mom, giving Clem a very big reason to sympathize with and understand him; she could've had to kill Lee for the same reasons after all. And the conversation with Pete the day after even further showed how sensitive Nick truly was, as he couldn't even bring himself to shoot a buck. He was introduced as a recklessly violent jerk, but developed into a sensitive man who acted tough and angry to shield himself from pain. If that's not development, I don't know what is.
And the conversation about his business developed him even further. It showed that even though Nick trusted Luke implicitly, he acknowledged that he let his friend push him into things he didn't want. It showed that his friendship with Luke wasn't perfect, that Luke may have actually even looked down on Nick. It also stressed how Nick isn't "built like Luke" and that he has immense trouble moving on from the past, something that he hates about himself.
And I don't blame Kenny for the writer's poor decisions. I blame the writers for bringing him back at the expense of other characters' development, so of course I can't help but resent Kenny himself. I blame the fact that Kenny returned at all, not the man himself.
No, because even if Sarah didn't exactly do a good job with the gun on her first try, the mere fact that she knew she needed to protect herself demonstrated that she wasn't as useless as we believed. A truly useless and hopeless child, like Duck, wouldn't have the initiative to ask for training.
Well, that's simply logic, dont you think?
Obviously a Season 2 with no Kenny would've meant more opportunities for everyone else. Does anyone need to go to college to find that out?
I agree. His arc has basically been the same.
The only part I disagree on is the ides that it's totally Kenny's fault no one was developed.
I explained this in a post above, but I don't think it's Kenny's fault other characters weren't developed. I simply resent him for getting all of the writers' attention.
I hope Clementine dies in the finale
Fixed.
RIP, CrazyGeorge
The difference with Clem and Kenny is that, because Clem is the player character, any interactions she has with other characters is exactly what gives them substance and development in the first place. Clem shares the spotlight. Kenny hogs the spotlight.
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It's not stupid to feel the way at all. I get it.
I think it's unfair to blame him for the writers worshipping him, but it's how you feel. I respect that.