How would YOU act in Carver's camp?
Let's say that you yourself had been brought into Carver's hardware shop. How would you act inside a place like that? Would you being willing to follow his rules or plan for a way out of it?
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I'd make a plan to assassinate him and all his followers then I would keep the shop to myself mwahaha.
Follow his rules just to get really close to him, then kill him off for his food and to leave with people I'd made friends with, leaving him to turn and kill his community. That is if I made it that far, so I guess that means I would have Planned for a way out of it.
I would try to get close to him then stab him in the back and take over because there were lots of resources there....
For me, if I was inside a place like that, and I had to deal with Troy trying to push me around, I'd tell him, "Fuck off. I don't need you to hold my hand, jackass."
I'd do my best not to get in trouble and make sure the people I care about are safe. Realistically, you can't expect to fight an oppressive dictatorship without repercussions towards you or your loved ones - particularly if said dictator is what's keeping you from the misery of total chaos.
Just like in society, I'd try to fit in.
I would be quiet, thinking up a plan to escape without getting caught. Probably cause a distraction in the other side of the community and climb up a fence and run off.
I'd probably bow down to them, but secretly finding a way to escape and kill Carver to make sure he never does this again.
I'd like to say that I would be calm and not get in trouble, but after what happened to Reggie and Sarah, I'd probably be pretty defiant. Of course, that would get me killed. Impulse control is more important than you'd expect in the ZA.
Keep cool, cooperate, show Carver I'm worth something...but behind his back, turn support against him, and then stage a coup and turn the place into something better under my leadership.
...hah, no, too complicated. I'd run like a bitch at the first available opportunity.
It isn't very difficult to just follow the rules, I'd do just that.
I'd try to get him to mellow out a bit if I ever became high enough on the chain of command there. But honestly, I'd just stick to minding my own damn business and probably not even try to stage a revolt.
If he was episode 2 Carver I might be inclined help him build his community, as well as help defend it. Episode 3 Carver would have been at the top of my hit list as he was a completely different person. Episode 2 Carver was cunning, and fair in his own way, judging by how he dealt with the lodge situation.
Carver in Episode 2 was a sociopath who has no problem with invading strangers' homes, torturing people in front of their children, murdering hostages and threatening children.
But even though we never see his humanity in person, there's implications that his community was once a more stable place prior to Luke's first escape. And he himself may have once been as likable as Kenny was - remember that Bonnie likely saw him back when he was a more reasonable man, and it took him outright boasting about murdering one of their own members for her to finally realize he had snapped.
Clementine says herself that people underestimate her, and that she uses it to her advantage. Michelle was also a child who was attempting a robbery, and murdered Omid. Chuck's words hold true, in that children aren't just children anymore in the apocalypse. The hostages he murdered were in retaliation for murders of his own group. He invaded the homes of strangers, in this case the lodge, because Rebecca cheated on her husband with him and was carrying his baby. He also wanted revenge on Alvin for killing a member of his group. I can think of worse reasons for someone to invade someone's home. Torturing Carlos was a bit much, but Carlos did spit in his face upon their reunion after escaping Carver's camp, probably creating turmoil, reducing the amount of people around to defend the camp, as well as probably stealing supplies. All of his actions in Episode 2 were calculated.
In Episode 2 we were shown a character that was really no worse than Rick at points in the comics or show. In Episode 3 any sense of him being a calculating and cunning individual went out the window. His entire approach in Episode 3 felt forced after what we were shown in 2. If he felt weakness was an issue worthy of killing Reggie then why didn't he just kill Sarah at the lodge since she was a sheltered character with anxiety issues who obviously didn't fit into his survivor paradigm as it was presented in 3.
I'd say that he actually was still 'pragmatic' in his actions in Episode 3. He forces Carlos to 'discipline' Sarah in order to remind them both who's boss, kills Reggie because he was an incompetent traitor who couldn't even do something as simple as make sure two girls cut their berries, and beats down Kenny for being the most dangerous and unpredictable of the prisoners. Him having no problems with hurting children in Episode 3 has precedent in the fact that he threatens to kill Clem in Episode 2, and probably wasn't just bluffing.
I call him a sociopath because his very first appearance is full of menace and superficial charm. I'm surprised a lot of people took him at face value, ignoring the ominous music and creepy voice and dark character design and feigned politeness. I actually felt quite afraid for Clementine in that scene precisely because she was with a guy who was deliberately pushing her boundaries and terrified someone as nice as Sarah.
I guess I'd just deal with it. If I was a prisoner I'd try and prove myself to get into the main group and just do as I was told. I guess in that place keeping a low profile is the key to survival.
Uh, eh....not really, Carver killing an amputated, funny character, beating up a fan favorite character from season 1, forcing someone to slap a kid, beating up a likable character like Alvin, all those things pretty much all amount to "you MUST hate this character." FORCED and WASTED CHARACTER POTENTIAL.
I guess I'm in the minority who felt he was characterized consistently as a sociopathic dictator and even liked the twist of him not being the main villain - but I do agree that the Season could have worked better had they used his villainous presence for all five episodes.
I really thought Carver was an interesting character in episode 2, but in episode 3, they make him into an uninteresting, cartoonish bad guy, and that's another thing I greatly appreciated about season 1 where the villains felt like real people that suffered through tragedy and loss and were forced to do horrible things because of what the apocalypse did to them.
I took him at face value as an antagonist, and by that I mean that I didn't take him at face value as a person, rather I expected him to posses the traits of an antagonist. I knew from the moment the name Carver was first muttered that he would be the antagonist, because it was obvious the new group feared him, and obviously there would be a good reason.
Upon actually meeting him it was obvious that every action of his was calculated in order to generate fear, but honestly he didn't scare me at all because his actions were all justifiable in TWD setting, at least in my opinion. None of the characters have scared me yet, but that's besides the point. At the end of 2 I felt like the cabin group had done more to harm him than he had done to harm them, and this is why at the end of that episode I'd have felt more inclined to join his group, whereas after Episode 3, where his brutality is primarily showcased and not his cunning, I'd have attempted to murder him whenever the opportunity presented itself.
I agree with you completely.
Personally I didn't want anything to do with Carver and his plans for a 4th Reich.
Back at the lodge instead of hanging up x-mas decorations and getting ready for supper like everybody else, I would've sat up on top of that lodge and shot Carver dead as soon as he showed up.
I then would've turned around to Kenny and in my best Lethal Weapon impersonation said "I'm too old for this shit".
I'd probably try to not do anything to get him mad at me and try and fit in. Maybe I'd escape if some other people were planning on escaping, but I'm not sure.
In an apocalyptic world, food, safety and people are the things you care the most for.
I'd stick to the rules because it's better to do some chores to fortify a place than having to spend days running from flesh-eating creatures and having to cope with seriously fucked up shit.
Eventually Carver would die and someone better would take his place.
I'd be the quiet guy and just do as I'm told. I can handle Troy being an ass and I can handle Carver being over top to keep the community safe.
Dance 24/7.
I would stay calm and follow the rules but try to figure a way to get out of there
I'm a little girl (only one year older than Clementine), so he might treat me as his "legacy". You know, like he did with Clem. I'm very non-confrontial and quiet and gentle person, so I'll probably follow his rules and try to pretend that I agree with him. So I'll get closer to him and he will start trusting me. After this, me and my group will create plan involving killing Carver and his guards. Might as well use some people from his camp that hates him and wants to get rid of him. After this, we'll select the new leader and our community will live happily ever after. Yay!
In all honesty, I'm basically Becca. And I'm serious, I act just like her and it's quite funny.
So, yeah. Becca.
I'd keep my head down and would follow his instructions. His camp promised (relative) safety from walkers, plenty of food/water, basic goods, shelter, medical supplies, weapons, etc.... As long as I didn't get on Carver's bad side, my chances for survival in the ZA would be greatly increased, which would be more than enough for me.
This game is rated for adults,so you shouldn't be playing it as you're twelve...
Excuse me, sir, but I'm afraid that I can choose games to play by myself.
That sounds like the best plan
i would just be wicked chill, and do my work but if troy or carver got in my face i would make them swallow their own teeth
with my fists
in a world like that i don't care if they kill me i'm not dying a coward
i rather die on my feet then live on knees
Well, judging by her posts, she's pretty mature. Therefore, I see nothing wrong with her playing this game.
I'd happily become his servant, he could teach me completely new things.
New things like how to be overly evil just to be evil and how to overreact to stuff.
Being evil means you have no restraints, no weaknesses, you can do whatever you want, there is no more enjoyable life than this.
Doesn't sound very enjoyable to me....