Everyone in Episode 5 sucked!
God, why the hell did everyone turn out to be so shitty? I mean, I guessed this was how it would be... but, I wish I was wrong.
Jane: Let's start with this freaking bitch. Using Clementine to "put Kenny down." I mean, I'd say her intentions were valid but still, fuck her. That's a choice that she had no right in making. Lying through her damn teeth to me about how she could be trusted. No, never again.
Kenny: Speaking of Kenny. I just... couldn't feel anything for this sad sack of angry shit. After EVERYTHING he's done... and he thinks he can slip by me with all this tunnel vision shit? Wellington ended up doing more harm than good. And so did Kenny.
Bonnie: I wasn't AT ALL surprised at this bitch. Turning sides against her own again. I knew it'd happen sooner or later, I was just hoping her reasoning would be better than it was. Not enough hatred for her.
Arvo: I called it. That's all I got to say. Betraying us and then has the balls to shoot a girl. This is why. This is why I wanted an option to kill him, cause the moment I almost died trying to save Luke, I knew it was all his doing. Goddamn snake in the grass.
Mike: I was actually surprised by this man. I really was... I... don't even know what to say, honestly. Him taking sides with someone like Arvo against a child and a baby. How can this scumbag sleep at night?
Luke: He was BY FAR the least offensive out of everyone. And I tried really hard to save him... So in the end, I guess I "liked" Luke.
Carver: End the end, Carver was right. People will turn on you like ravenous dogs. My Clementine may not be happy, but she's safe... Alone with the baby roaming through America. No more dead weights or shitty people holding her back.
Edit: After almost six months, my opinions on some of the characters have changed.
Jane: Still disliked her intentions at the end, but I feel that more on the part of the writers rather than her character. But, she at least gave a damn about Clementine and doesn't deserve nearly the amount of shit she gets.
Kenny: Hate, hate, hate, hate, hatred flows strong.
Bonnie, Arvo, Mike: Pretty much the same, fuck 'em.
Luke: I still thought he was the least "shitty" but, boy was his character a bore to trudge through...
Carver: Pretty much the same. But, still, fuck him.
Comments
No.
I'm sorry but I completely dissa freaking gree
Care to elaborate?
Mike tried to save me once Arvo shot, so clearly he cared more about my saftey then his escape, as he risked his escape to help me. Jane is trustworthy and saved us all, Luke did nothing but good this episode.
I will...
When I get back from replaying the sh*t out of the episode.
I can see your reasoning. And yes, in the END.. Carver was right. My Clem is not alone tho. I forgave Jane. I would in real situation too.
I agree with almost everything except what you said about Kenny. He's the only one who truly cares about Clementine. He explains that something snapped inside of him a long time ago, so that's why he's been acting shitty to everyone. That ending with Kenny and reaching Wellington was very emotional and further proved that Kenny REALLY cares about Clem and that baby.
kenny's anger scared them all, my clem was on kenny's side till the end. KENNY 4EVA.
people do dumbshit when they are scared.
but i did wonder if mike had the balls to leave... but leave clem ? yeah fuck him...
so arvo was in it for himself, no sister after all...
No, Jane SEEMED trustworthy... there's a difference. She came back. Good for her. Like my Clementine asked. "You want a cookie?"
She staged an entire fight just so that her little "point" about how fucked Kenny was could be proven. And it was, I shot him, so she won her point. But I didn't forgive her for not telling me when she had the chance, she lied. I said I wouldn't allow anyone to lie to me again. I need honesty, and Jane is not honest.
BEN WAS IN THIS EPISODE? HOW COULD YOU HATE IT?
Y'know. I know Kenny cared about Clem, he was far too gone and way too dangerous though. And I just couldn't put up with his constant anger.
Kenny told Clementine that "I ought slap you for saying that." My anger at that moment was blistering. I just wanted an option saying "DO IT THEN, BUT IT'D BE THE LAST THING YOU EVER DO!"
I just couldn't care for him after that...
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It is determinant, if you tried to save Luke (I did that) Bonnie will be the one who will "try" to help Clementine when she's shot, if you didn't save Luke (which mostly everyone did judging from the choices) Mike will be the one who will "try to help Clementine when she's shot.
Bonnie, Mike, and Arvo just wanted to get away from Kenny's wrath. Poor Arvo was being tortured. I think he also shot Clementine on accident. But there's no doubt how dislikable Jane was for wanting to manipulate Clementine into shooting Kenny and for leaving the baby to freeze in the truck.
The episode was great!
Just fuck everybody that populated it (other than Luke, Lee, and Clem).
Edit: Disregard this comment. The episode sucked.
They left a kid and a baby to die. And tried to run off with our supplies...
Fuck them.
Dude, Arvo obviously hated Clem for shooting her sister and you had no opportunity to tell him that she was already turned.
Ben, Lilly (determinant), Katjaa, Duck and somewhat season 1 Kenny.
That fucking shitbird Ben..
Episode 5 suck ass big time!! seriously who wrote that shit a psychopath? i was hoping for a good ending and i got shit. i rate Episode 5: 5/10
Is the walking dead on offer or something? whats with all these new people, I'm not complaianing just curious, new people are always cool
After season 1? Though I admit I wanted more people to live canon
let the hate butthurt flows begin...
Honestly I think all your conclusions of their characters are right but I really liked Kenny even though he got angry every time and screwed up but he lost his wife,son, new girlfriend and one eye don't you think he should change after that? I mean lee said that bad things happen to everyone and it's hard to keep being yourself after that. But as long as clemmy is fine I don't care about the others very much I just cared for Luke and he is dead so.....
How the hell did this post... from August get pulled back into rotation?
Nick Breckon
you're welcome.
Mike never cared about Clementine.
Not everyone sucks
Honestly I liked everyone in episode 5, with maybe the exception of Kenny who really grated on my nerves by causing trouble that didn't need to happen, but overall I liked everyone.
Every. Single. One.
This post is from forever ago, but I agree. This episode did nothing for me other than make every single character except Clementine look like an unlikeable asshole. I mostly blame the writing for Bonnie and Mike, who were in my opinion OOC. Arvo shooting Clem was stupid, and by the end of the episode I was so sick of Jane and Kenny that I just killed both. I stopped caring about what I thought was best for Clem story-wise and just took my frustrations out on the two characters left.
I thought it was awful, especially for a finale episode. I don't have any deep emotional hatred for Bonnie/Mike/Arvo because their actions weren't believable or significant enough for me to care, and I honestly was just tired of having to deal with Kenny and Jane after they hogged the whole episode. The only feeling I have is an exasperated kind of hatred, the kind that comes out of thinking something is going to be good and then it ends up to be disappointing. If that makes sense.
The only thing amazing to come out of the episode is the multiple endings, people who liked one character got to stick with that character if they wanted to, and even be by themselves if they hated both. I felt that was the only perfect part of the episode. Lets hope (though its unlikely) this choice is a major decision that affects season 3 as a whole
People have been bringing back a bunch of old posts recently
I guess this place has just gotten that boring
I agree. Considering how magnificently and beautifully Season 1 ended, it's hard to believe that the same company had created such a lacklustre and hollow finale for Season 2, although it's a blessing that it wasn't written by the same writers from the first season.
I have noticed that mostly new members bump old topics. They have probably brought games during the Christmas sales or received them as a gift and then done a google search for walking dead releated topics and found old ones that they decide to comment on.
I have to admit, I got so annoyed when the finale turned out not to be that great after expecting it to be so. I'm not saying there weren't great moments, but overall for me it was a bad episode. I wasn't looking for the same experience as Season 1, I was just looking for a good game, and it did not end well. Jane being rushed in there, constantly focusing on Kenny; I remember it got to the scene in the truck with him and Clem not that long after already having talked with Kenny on some personal stuff three other times before in that same episode...and I was bored, perhaps because it was about the same things, A.J and Wellington. In fact, the same time my mother played the episode she asked me at that same point "how much longer is this going to go on for?" that's not an experience you want to take away from a game, that you were bored.
But you're right, it seemed really out of character for Bonnie and Mike [at least more so for Bonnie] to go make a getaway with all the supplies, and not leave anything for the group when they have newborn baby and an 11 year old child with them! Even Bonnie, I don't care how torn up she is on Luke, she'd of still had a pause for thought to at least leave them something, even just a can of stupid chilli just so they could get somewhere far enough to find some baby formula. However, I'm not sure I can agree on the whole Arvo shooting Clem, I didn't have a problem with that because he was just scared after having been kept prisoner. What does shock me however, is that nobody treated that bullet wound on Clem's shoulder; I would've figured a shot like that would've been lethal for a girl her age, yet for nobody to even treat it seems poor.
Regrettably, I'm right there with you on the Jane and Kenny business though. When all that started kicking up, my reaction was "where is all this coming from?" and I was still bitter about a certain person falling in a lake that I kept thinking they could've just stuck Luke in there because at least that would've made more sense for that reasoning where Kenny's anger was coming from, than it being from a lady he's barely said much dialogue to until that point. But instead we just have Jane firing him off as if they've always been like this and bumped heads before, and by the end with that decision to pick between the two...I just couldn't bring myself to care. The episode felt all over the place, and I just gave up by that point because it wasn't even that tough a decision. That's why I felt so disappointed myself, especially after how strongly Season 2 started. So it's kinda weird, because I both love and hate this Season.
I just hope Season 3 will be good
Bonnie, even if she was angry with Clementine, had no reason to abandon AJ, whom she has shown to care for. If there were no supplies specifically for AJ, she would know that if his remaining caretakers had no food, that they would die and he’d have nobody to look after him. As for Mike, if he was compassionate enough to care for Arvo, then he would be compassionate enough to care for Clementine and AJ by leaving them some supplies, simple as.
The only way his shooting of Clementine makes sense to me is if she calls for help, then he was likely startled and pulled the trigger on accident. Arvo wants to get away from Kenny, who has done nothing but mock him, beat on him, and try to kill him. If Clementine drops the gun and says, “Let me come with you” regardless of if Arvo believes she murdered his sister or not I find it hard to believe he’d risk losing the escape vehicle and getting murdered by Kenny just to get revenge, or whatever weak reasoning they came up with to have him shoot her even if she is unarmed.
It was never meant to be realistic or important in the long run, just an event that happened to move the plot along. I might have been angry with Arvo if Clementine actually suffered for the shot, but she never really does at any point in the story with the exception of mentioning that her shoulder hurts a bit in the truck.
Another big thing I hated about the episode was that Luke basically took a backseat throughout the entire thing when he and Kenny had previously been at each other's throats the last episode. I was expecting Luke to speak out more against Kenny's harsh treatment of Arvo, I was expecting him to be more concerned with the wellfare of Rebecca's baby instead of just letting Kenny have him, (8luh. Luke should have got to pick the name.) I was expecting a lot more from Luke in general this episode and he just literally faded to the background and then died. It's almost as annoying as Kenny's random hatred and distrust of Jane, which seemed to come out of nowhere. Kenny's reaction to hearing Jane left was to just yell at Luke for being childish so clearly it didn't bother him that much, and then she comes back, saves his ass, and suddenly she's selfish and untrustworthy? Jane just didn't belong in the last episode, plain and simple. She should have given Clementine the "You can survive on your own speech" and then never came back, I can't believe they actually planned throwing away the Kenny vs. Luke storyline from the beginning, honestly, that was just a bad idea. And at the end, I just couldn't bring myself to care for Jane or Kenny. I wanted so much more from the episode, I wanted to have an ending with Luke, I wanted the time between talking to each character to be more evenly spread out than just talking to Jane and Kenny about the same things over and over, etc.
I want to have high hopes for S3, but I really don't. This season has disappointed me plenty, but the last two episodes were the biggest offenders, Part of the reason I can't stand S2 is all the hype I had for it, the higher my expectations, the harder I fall once the thing I'm obsessing over fails to live up to what I hoped it would. So going into S3 with low expectations is probably a good thing.