no, kenny didn't know that. he's just a violent psycho who refused to listen. even if he was lying, kenny is was too angry and is too stupid to listen to anything anyone says.
It's so weird to see that all the LP'ers killed Kenny,the man that cared the most about the kids,and saved Jane,a person that didn't care about anyone,and tried to manipulate Clementine.
There've been plenty of times where I actually hated Kenny because of his ways to deal with stuff,but in the end he turned out to be one of the most caring people in the series.
I suspect this guy could really lose his shit and put us at danger, so I will do precisely the one thing that I know is going to make him lose his shit. Now I'm dead and have lost Clementine's respect but it was worth it because I. proved. my. point.
How absolutely retarded is that.
"Wait guys, I think this old wooden bridge is about to crumble. Don't believe me ? Watch closely as I carry this heavy stone across it and purposely jump multiple times." Krak! "TOLD YAAaaaa"..... [Splatch.]
It's so weird to see that all the LP'ers killed Kenny,the man that cared the most about the kids,and saved Jane,a person that didn't care ab… moreout anyone,and tried to manipulate Clementine.
There've been plenty of times where I actually hated Kenny because of his ways to deal with stuff,but in the end he turned out to be one of the most caring people in the series.
"The Kenny Situation" was a situation that was closing in on a boiling point anyway. Jane realizes this. Your group members realize this. Even Clem can come to realize this, expressing doubt in her ability to keep Kenny on any kind of leash, as everyone is sort of (unrealistically) expecting her to. Keeping up with Kenny's madness at that age I imagine can be quite... taxing. And having to constantly yell at Kenny to stop his latest violent burst, or convince him that maybe not everything he thinks is right is right, and maybe we should go back and take shelter and get stable again before we go chasing unsure bets with a newborn baby in need of constant care and rest, can push even further on her psyche.
Of course Jane, now breaking her own rules, is getting attached a little to Clem. Enough to care about what goes on in the camp. And Clem is being railroaded to apologizing for Kenny's behavior. Throughout the episode we see his decent. And now circumstances have contrived themselves to once again separate our team, after a very heated argument (where we still can't get Kenny to listen to reason), and now Jane is in a situation where she could get free and get the baby to safety (rather than what, leave it in the truck?). She couldn't stick around and leave the newborn baby exposed to that winter storm more than it needed to be. She immediately sets out to find another shelter for it, which she ultimately did.
Having time to think, and with the baby probably as safe as it was going to be, she would need to think of a way to find Clem and deal with Kenny's behavior. It was just going to get everybody killed and do nothing but cause problems. But Clem, weary with his behavior as she is, still is being railroaded into trying to settle down Kenny's anger, maybe out of sense of responsibility rather than loyalty, probably because she caused the death of Sarita, blaming herself for how Kenny has ended up.
Jane has come to realize that she cares for Clem a great deal, and wants to do what she can to save Clem from that fate, always following and apologizing for Kenny's actions. Outright reasoning with him has proved futile on more than one occasion, and he will get violent if anyone tries to change his course, which itself would have more than likely ended up killing the baby (we can't apply hindsight to a characters motivations).
When she hears Clem calling out for her just a short distance away, she has to make a decision, and decides (probably against all her better judgements) to test Kenny in a last ditch effort to reason with him, knowing how he will probably react, and that it might finally break Clem of this hold he has over her. Is it manipulative? You bet. Its called being human. Everyone is to some level. I'm sure Kenny was just looking for any excuse to be done with the chick who was constantly trying to pull Clem away from him. Accidentally losing the baby? As good a reason as any.
She immediately apologizes for her deception, and its not as if Clem herself hasn't manipulated circumstances and peoples emotions toward her favor. Just last episode she tried to do all she could to bring back a suicidal Sarah (unsuccessfully). This is essentially the same thing, with a Jane who cares for Clementine, seeing her destroy herself out of responsibility. Is that not what Bonnie became with Carver?
Kenny himself even expresses relief on his deathbed that this was what he was seeking all along. Jumping down to help Ben knowing it was probably a death sentence. Picking fights and causing trouble, seeing if anyone pushes back. He finally got clarity into just how toxic he let his behavior ultimately become, and how against his stated ideals of protecting anything, least of all Clem and the baby, it had become.
So no. I don't think she's a monster for what she did. I might begrudge her a little for making me worry about the baby. I think she flew way outside her comfort zone in order to protect someone she doesn't even really know all that well. Which I think is what Clem kind of wanted from her in the first place. Maybe not to this caliber, and in a pretty tasteless way (though the current circumstances kind of forced her hand), but from the heart none the less.
I can't think of why anyone would have wanted to save Kenny over her.
I take the logical paths with Clem, insomuch as Telltale 'allows' you to do so (which isn't much). That said, initially I DID shoot Kenny b… moreecause his spiral of instability had become dangerous, but when Jane revealed her plan to show Kenny was a psychopath that needed to be put down it simply lacked sound, REASONED logic to the point of being a sociopathic decision. She absolutely DID intend to fight Kenny to the death, regardless of what any of you apologizers say. She refused repeated attempts to diffuse the situation, run away, or in any way reveal her ruse right up to the end, hoping all the while that Clementine would leap to her support and kill him. This is unbalanced and dangerous thinking -- and worse than that -- she would gladly make a killer of Clementine to prove a point, something Kenny has never done. Meanwhile, for Kenny this was simply the last straw in a long line of fuck-ups and he snapped. His behavior wasn't right, … [view original content]
I suspect this guy could really lose his shit and put us at danger, so I will do precisely the one thing that I know is going to make him lo… morese his shit. Now I'm dead and have lost Clementine's respect but it was worth it because I. proved. my. point.
How absolutely retarded is that.
"Wait guys, I think this old wooden bridge is about to crumble. Don't believe me ? Watch closely as I carry this heavy stone across it and purposely jump multiple times." Krak! "TOLD YAAaaaa"..... [Splatch.]
I suspect this guy could really lose his shit and put us at danger, so I will do precisely the one thing that I know is going to make him lo… morese his shit. Now I'm dead and have lost Clementine's respect but it was worth it because I. proved. my. point.
How absolutely retarded is that.
"Wait guys, I think this old wooden bridge is about to crumble. Don't believe me ? Watch closely as I carry this heavy stone across it and purposely jump multiple times." Krak! "TOLD YAAaaaa"..... [Splatch.]
No, I'm not justifying what Jane did. I'm saying that Kenny shouldn't have killed her, because he didn't know. Jane was in the wrong for lying, and for her shitty plan, but Kenny still shouldn't have attempted to kill her.
Its called gut instinct. More times than not it will prove to be right. Like in this very instance where Jane was lying to both and trying to manipulate Clem into siding with her.
No, I'm not justifying what Jane did. I'm saying that Kenny shouldn't have killed her, because he didn't know. Jane was in the wrong for lying, and for her shitty plan, but Kenny still shouldn't have attempted to kill her.
He had plenty of poisonous barbs to throw right back, and it was once again his inability to be flexible that led to the clash. Its not that eventually going to Wellington wasn't a good idea, but not the one that immediately benefited the newborn (and very vulnerable) baby. His own actions were more likely to get it killed. Can you blame Jane for giving up trying to reason with him? She's still new to this whole "caring about what happens to other people" shtick, and once again got fed up with his attitude, like anybody else would probably have in that situation.
In the car for a second i actually believed that Jane and Kenny could get along but then she started to insult Kenny so hard like for no rea… moreson.. It was a pretty ugly arguement.
"why would anyone love you?" - she said.. Wow.. just wow.. the same goes for her..
Doesn't make him any more deserving of being beat while bound and cooperating. he surrendered. He wasn't for them threatening gun violence in the first place.
I'm sure being almost beat to death would sour anyone's disposition on their assailant, and those who would apologize for and continue to support them.
The baby was vulnerable to a ton of other elements, car or not. At least it was intact, and out of the storm, and Jane wasn't about to drag the newborn infant to what she had decided to do. It was as safe there as it would have been anywhere else.
Kenny's way could also easily have killed the baby. Hiking it further north with nary but a gut feeling that's what you have to do, damn all appeals to the baby's actual well-being. Demonizing Jane for having to deal with a difficult situation, perpetrated by an unstable man and his apologetic sidekick, all in a last ditch effort to prove to said sidekick that Kenny would forever ignore Clem's opinions to do whatever his emotions told him to do (Like kill a girl half his age because of a tragic accident (the only kind of accident that happens in this ugly world anymore)). Is what is wrong.
She wasn't proving a point. She was trying to get Clem to see that, no matter how much she tried, Kenny was too far gone to pull back, and even if it cost her life (the risk of which would have been unthinkable up to this point), make Clem see she couldn't keep reinforcing Kenny's behavior, and that she was being led down a destructive path. She sees it if she shoots Kenny, and even if she lets Jane die, she has the opportunity to see it with her death. Jane had come to care about Clementine, and had to do what she thought was best for her, caught in a storm with a newborn baby on the end of your metaphorical rope. To believe that she was merely being selfish totally misses the point of her character arc.
I suspect this guy could really lose his shit and put us at danger, so I will do precisely the one thing that I know is going to make him lo… morese his shit. Now I'm dead and have lost Clementine's respect but it was worth it because I. proved. my. point.
How absolutely retarded is that.
"Wait guys, I think this old wooden bridge is about to crumble. Don't believe me ? Watch closely as I carry this heavy stone across it and purposely jump multiple times." Krak! "TOLD YAAaaaa"..... [Splatch.]
EXACTLY. Thought. No evidence. Jane kept saying it was an accident. He had NO right to attack her. Jane did what she hoped for, to show Clem… more what a monster Kenny is when he gets into a rage. If there's no one else around, it will be Clementine he attacks next time.
No evidence? You mean her own words in the game weren't evidence in how the saw the baby as a liability? How she only had the baby for a few minutes, and it was gone?
EXACTLY. Thought. No evidence. Jane kept saying it was an accident. He had NO right to attack her. Jane did what she hoped for, to show Clem… more what a monster Kenny is when he gets into a rage. If there's no one else around, it will be Clementine he attacks next time.
I figure while Jane might have started with good intentions to show Clementine Kenny was fighting a losing battle with stability and mental composure, but also she wanted Clementine as a replacement to her little sister. She clearly never forgave herself over leaving her.
You will notice that she provoked Kenny into that fight, and that she escalated things by pulling out a weapon. Kenny was unarmed. She planned on him attacking her, and then killing him.
self defense? do you know what that means? because throwing the first punch doesn't mean self defense. you act like jane is the only one who insulted the other. kenny told her no one liked her and such, kenny deserved to be shot. he's too dangerous.
That was her plan. She hid the baby to piss him off. She knew he would blame her. He attacked her. Then she pulled a knife. She wanted to kill him, but be able to convince Clementine she had not choice.
From the moment she said, "I'm going to show you what Kenny really is" or whatever I knew that the baby was alive and she was playing a psycho game.
At the moment when Kenny begged the Wellington lady, "JUST TAKE THE KIDS, PLEASE" I got emotional and wished I could have said to Jane's corpse, "THIS is what Kenny really is, you psycho b--h."
Jane was mostly a good woman herself, but I knew that deep inside she was actually more screwed up than Kenny.
Kenny was all self-defense...so don't give me that crap....jane clearly tried pushing his buttons...talking shit about his dead family and girlfriend...jane had no class and deserved what she got.
No evidence? You mean her own words in the game weren't evidence in how the saw the baby as a liability? How she only had the baby for a few minutes, and it was gone?
She pulled a weapon to protect herself, to which Kenny decided to be an idiot and run at her with a punch. Notice how when she puts her weapon away, Kenny charges at her despite her obviously trying to stop the fight? And no, she wasn't provoking him, she was backing away, and when Clem tried to calm him down he shoves her out of the way.
You will notice that she provoked Kenny into that fight, and that she escalated things by pulling out a weapon. Kenny was unarmed. She planned on him attacking her, and then killing him.
She pulled a weapon to protect herself, to which Kenny decided to be an idiot and run at her with a punch. Notice how when she puts her weap… moreon away, Kenny charges at her despite her obviously trying to stop the fight? And no, she wasn't provoking him, she was backing away, and when Clem tried to calm him down he shoves her out of the way.
And how do you figure that? Based on the last confrontation? Where it was just her, and prepubescent kid you've grown attached to, and an unhinged, proven violent grown ass man? Where she was sick of seeing Clementine make excuses for Kenny violent behavior, and caring for her, made the baby as safe as she could so she could deal with a difficult situation to try and make Clementine see Kenny was out of road? She knew it would be a risk of her own life to provoke him, but if not then, then when? When he starts killing actually innocent people? So Clem can whine that he didn't mean it, and is actually a good person underneath? Sound familiar?
Jane was desperate and showed great character growth putting her own life on the line to try and convince a storyline railroaded Clementine that, however much a good person Kenny was in the past, he was no longer a person who listens to reason. That however apologetic he gets, he is too prone to violent acts as a first impulse, that, as has been proven in multiple scenes, not even Clementine can calm his ass down, or change his stubborn damn mind.
With everything the characters get up to, what has Jane done that is more horrendous than any of the selfish atrocities Kenny would keep committing? For all I know, she was merely trying to shut out her caring humanity for the trade off of never having to depend on other people again. When Clementine ends up changing her mind, or at least fill it with doubt, she starts doing selfless things and tries to actually participate in the group. Something that Kenny himself is on the path to destroying (and hey, he ultimately did).
Kenny is a ball of "good intentions" unable anymore to deal with even the tiniest bit of stress, and acting out, however irrationally, was the easiest way of dealing with his piling emotions. The things he justifies with having to deal with the loss of his loved ones are atrocious, whereas Jane would rather take off than cause harm and strife. She's just an embittered ice queen having her heart thawed out by Clem's seemingly endless generosity toward seemingly harmless strangers. How could you not want to try and protect her? She's resourceful, but still a little naive here and there.
And Kenny doesn't even turn over a new leaf until after her death, and finding out she was lying about the baby, and reflecting on what that meant. So Jane's plan to save Clem was tailored to succeed whatever the outcome. She is indeed even more selfless in that instance than Kenny has ever been since season 1.
I don't see how she is more screwed up than Kenny.
From the moment she said, "I'm going to show you what Kenny really is" or whatever I knew that the baby was alive and she was playing a psyc… moreho game.
At the moment when Kenny begged the Wellington lady, "JUST TAKE THE KIDS, PLEASE" I got emotional and wished I could have said to Jane's corpse, "THIS is what Kenny really is, you psycho b--h."
Jane was mostly a good woman herself, but I knew that deep inside she was actually more screwed up than Kenny.
a kind of sociopath that truly cares for the safety of a young girl and a baby boy. so no sociopath at all.
come on. she gave up her good chances of survival, and confronted her fear to loose someone for you ungrateful girl.
sociopath is one of this undefinable terms. but lets use it anyway.
she is quiet the opposite of a sociopath.
if she where a sociopath she would have actually left the child to die.
if you want to call someone a sociopath. call it kenny. no inhibitions when it comes to reaching that one goal he set himself. that obsessive self confidence. the willingness to do the most terrible things if he thinks he is right. that deserves a word like sociopath.
do not fool yourself wellington, clem, ... the most important goal he set himself is the child.
if clementine ever seemed a treat to his current obsession ...
I think she really wanted Clem to herself, and engineered a situation where it'd be okay for her to murder Kenny. What kind of sociopath pretends to have murdered a baby?
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Are you one of those people that justify lying by claiming the victim had no way of knowing for sure?
It's so weird to see that all the LP'ers killed Kenny,the man that cared the most about the kids,and saved Jane,a person that didn't care about anyone,and tried to manipulate Clementine.
There've been plenty of times where I actually hated Kenny because of his ways to deal with stuff,but in the end he turned out to be one of the most caring people in the series.
I suspect this guy could really lose his shit and put us at danger, so I will do precisely the one thing that I know is going to make him lose his shit. Now I'm dead and have lost Clementine's respect but it was worth it because I. proved. my. point.
How absolutely retarded is that.
"Wait guys, I think this old wooden bridge is about to crumble. Don't believe me ? Watch closely as I carry this heavy stone across it and purposely jump multiple times." Krak! "TOLD YAAaaaa"..... [Splatch.]
It's a shame, isn't it? They all love Jane and treat Kenny like he's an animal that needs to be put down.
"The Kenny Situation" was a situation that was closing in on a boiling point anyway. Jane realizes this. Your group members realize this. Even Clem can come to realize this, expressing doubt in her ability to keep Kenny on any kind of leash, as everyone is sort of (unrealistically) expecting her to. Keeping up with Kenny's madness at that age I imagine can be quite... taxing. And having to constantly yell at Kenny to stop his latest violent burst, or convince him that maybe not everything he thinks is right is right, and maybe we should go back and take shelter and get stable again before we go chasing unsure bets with a newborn baby in need of constant care and rest, can push even further on her psyche.
Of course Jane, now breaking her own rules, is getting attached a little to Clem. Enough to care about what goes on in the camp. And Clem is being railroaded to apologizing for Kenny's behavior. Throughout the episode we see his decent. And now circumstances have contrived themselves to once again separate our team, after a very heated argument (where we still can't get Kenny to listen to reason), and now Jane is in a situation where she could get free and get the baby to safety (rather than what, leave it in the truck?). She couldn't stick around and leave the newborn baby exposed to that winter storm more than it needed to be. She immediately sets out to find another shelter for it, which she ultimately did.
Having time to think, and with the baby probably as safe as it was going to be, she would need to think of a way to find Clem and deal with Kenny's behavior. It was just going to get everybody killed and do nothing but cause problems. But Clem, weary with his behavior as she is, still is being railroaded into trying to settle down Kenny's anger, maybe out of sense of responsibility rather than loyalty, probably because she caused the death of Sarita, blaming herself for how Kenny has ended up.
Jane has come to realize that she cares for Clem a great deal, and wants to do what she can to save Clem from that fate, always following and apologizing for Kenny's actions. Outright reasoning with him has proved futile on more than one occasion, and he will get violent if anyone tries to change his course, which itself would have more than likely ended up killing the baby (we can't apply hindsight to a characters motivations).
When she hears Clem calling out for her just a short distance away, she has to make a decision, and decides (probably against all her better judgements) to test Kenny in a last ditch effort to reason with him, knowing how he will probably react, and that it might finally break Clem of this hold he has over her. Is it manipulative? You bet. Its called being human. Everyone is to some level. I'm sure Kenny was just looking for any excuse to be done with the chick who was constantly trying to pull Clem away from him. Accidentally losing the baby? As good a reason as any.
She immediately apologizes for her deception, and its not as if Clem herself hasn't manipulated circumstances and peoples emotions toward her favor. Just last episode she tried to do all she could to bring back a suicidal Sarah (unsuccessfully). This is essentially the same thing, with a Jane who cares for Clementine, seeing her destroy herself out of responsibility. Is that not what Bonnie became with Carver?
Kenny himself even expresses relief on his deathbed that this was what he was seeking all along. Jumping down to help Ben knowing it was probably a death sentence. Picking fights and causing trouble, seeing if anyone pushes back. He finally got clarity into just how toxic he let his behavior ultimately become, and how against his stated ideals of protecting anything, least of all Clem and the baby, it had become.
So no. I don't think she's a monster for what she did. I might begrudge her a little for making me worry about the baby. I think she flew way outside her comfort zone in order to protect someone she doesn't even really know all that well. Which I think is what Clem kind of wanted from her in the first place. Maybe not to this caliber, and in a pretty tasteless way (though the current circumstances kind of forced her hand), but from the heart none the less.
I can't think of why anyone would have wanted to save Kenny over her.
My thoughts exactly XD
On second thought, nevermind. This is a hate thread, and you guys should be able to say your peace. IGNORE MEH,
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Community: FUCK JANE!
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No, I'm not justifying what Jane did. I'm saying that Kenny shouldn't have killed her, because he didn't know. Jane was in the wrong for lying, and for her shitty plan, but Kenny still shouldn't have attempted to kill her.
Its called gut instinct. More times than not it will prove to be right. Like in this very instance where Jane was lying to both and trying to manipulate Clem into siding with her.
Fuck her and fuck wallstreet!
He had plenty of poisonous barbs to throw right back, and it was once again his inability to be flexible that led to the clash. Its not that eventually going to Wellington wasn't a good idea, but not the one that immediately benefited the newborn (and very vulnerable) baby. His own actions were more likely to get it killed. Can you blame Jane for giving up trying to reason with him? She's still new to this whole "caring about what happens to other people" shtick, and once again got fed up with his attitude, like anybody else would probably have in that situation.
Doesn't make him any more deserving of being beat while bound and cooperating. he surrendered. He wasn't for them threatening gun violence in the first place.
I'm sure being almost beat to death would sour anyone's disposition on their assailant, and those who would apologize for and continue to support them.
The baby was vulnerable to a ton of other elements, car or not. At least it was intact, and out of the storm, and Jane wasn't about to drag the newborn infant to what she had decided to do. It was as safe there as it would have been anywhere else.
Kenny's way could also easily have killed the baby. Hiking it further north with nary but a gut feeling that's what you have to do, damn all appeals to the baby's actual well-being. Demonizing Jane for having to deal with a difficult situation, perpetrated by an unstable man and his apologetic sidekick, all in a last ditch effort to prove to said sidekick that Kenny would forever ignore Clem's opinions to do whatever his emotions told him to do (Like kill a girl half his age because of a tragic accident (the only kind of accident that happens in this ugly world anymore)). Is what is wrong.
She wasn't proving a point. She was trying to get Clem to see that, no matter how much she tried, Kenny was too far gone to pull back, and even if it cost her life (the risk of which would have been unthinkable up to this point), make Clem see she couldn't keep reinforcing Kenny's behavior, and that she was being led down a destructive path. She sees it if she shoots Kenny, and even if she lets Jane die, she has the opportunity to see it with her death. Jane had come to care about Clementine, and had to do what she thought was best for her, caught in a storm with a newborn baby on the end of your metaphorical rope. To believe that she was merely being selfish totally misses the point of her character arc.
Thats a terrible plan though. It's like me robbing some man and calling him a monster when he punches me in the face in retaliation.
I like Jane.
No evidence? You mean her own words in the game weren't evidence in how the saw the baby as a liability? How she only had the baby for a few minutes, and it was gone?
I figure while Jane might have started with good intentions to show Clementine Kenny was fighting a losing battle with stability and mental composure, but also she wanted Clementine as a replacement to her little sister. She clearly never forgave herself over leaving her.
Like Kenny said "If she had said he was alive it would have ended"
Until they're pushed into a corner where it's Clem or her that is.
You will notice that she provoked Kenny into that fight, and that she escalated things by pulling out a weapon. Kenny was unarmed. She planned on him attacking her, and then killing him.
That was her plan. She hid the baby to piss him off. She knew he would blame her. He attacked her. Then she pulled a knife. She wanted to kill him, but be able to convince Clementine she had not choice.
Well, it made people laugh, not that I promote any racism/sexism, but he didn't mean harm.
From the moment she said, "I'm going to show you what Kenny really is" or whatever I knew that the baby was alive and she was playing a psycho game.
At the moment when Kenny begged the Wellington lady, "JUST TAKE THE KIDS, PLEASE" I got emotional and wished I could have said to Jane's corpse, "THIS is what Kenny really is, you psycho b--h."
Jane was mostly a good woman herself, but I knew that deep inside she was actually more screwed up than Kenny.
She was about to say something. Probably sorry during the car scene. "kenny I'm..." .
inb4 but she didn't
You're asking for it, aren't you? xD
Her own words, you mean how she said she didn't mean for it to happen?
Yeah, I doubt that. Kenny doesn't believe what she says before, and he wants her gone. I say he'd still kill her.
She pulled a weapon to protect herself, to which Kenny decided to be an idiot and run at her with a punch. Notice how when she puts her weapon away, Kenny charges at her despite her obviously trying to stop the fight? And no, she wasn't provoking him, she was backing away, and when Clem tried to calm him down he shoves her out of the way.
She shoves Clem out of the way all the same if you go to her.
That... definitely wasn't the point of my post, but can you give examples of Jane actually shoving Clem?
I know it wasn't, I'm just saying, and watch it on youtube, you can see that if you turn to stop Jane she shoves Clem just like Kenny does.
And how do you figure that? Based on the last confrontation? Where it was just her, and prepubescent kid you've grown attached to, and an unhinged, proven violent grown ass man? Where she was sick of seeing Clementine make excuses for Kenny violent behavior, and caring for her, made the baby as safe as she could so she could deal with a difficult situation to try and make Clementine see Kenny was out of road? She knew it would be a risk of her own life to provoke him, but if not then, then when? When he starts killing actually innocent people? So Clem can whine that he didn't mean it, and is actually a good person underneath? Sound familiar?
Jane was desperate and showed great character growth putting her own life on the line to try and convince a storyline railroaded Clementine that, however much a good person Kenny was in the past, he was no longer a person who listens to reason. That however apologetic he gets, he is too prone to violent acts as a first impulse, that, as has been proven in multiple scenes, not even Clementine can calm his ass down, or change his stubborn damn mind.
With everything the characters get up to, what has Jane done that is more horrendous than any of the selfish atrocities Kenny would keep committing? For all I know, she was merely trying to shut out her caring humanity for the trade off of never having to depend on other people again. When Clementine ends up changing her mind, or at least fill it with doubt, she starts doing selfless things and tries to actually participate in the group. Something that Kenny himself is on the path to destroying (and hey, he ultimately did).
Kenny is a ball of "good intentions" unable anymore to deal with even the tiniest bit of stress, and acting out, however irrationally, was the easiest way of dealing with his piling emotions. The things he justifies with having to deal with the loss of his loved ones are atrocious, whereas Jane would rather take off than cause harm and strife. She's just an embittered ice queen having her heart thawed out by Clem's seemingly endless generosity toward seemingly harmless strangers. How could you not want to try and protect her? She's resourceful, but still a little naive here and there.
And Kenny doesn't even turn over a new leaf until after her death, and finding out she was lying about the baby, and reflecting on what that meant. So Jane's plan to save Clem was tailored to succeed whatever the outcome. She is indeed even more selfless in that instance than Kenny has ever been since season 1.
I don't see how she is more screwed up than Kenny.
Fuck Jane
a kind of sociopath that truly cares for the safety of a young girl and a baby boy. so no sociopath at all.
come on. she gave up her good chances of survival, and confronted her fear to loose someone for you ungrateful girl.
sociopath is one of this undefinable terms. but lets use it anyway.
she is quiet the opposite of a sociopath.
if she where a sociopath she would have actually left the child to die.
if you want to call someone a sociopath. call it kenny. no inhibitions when it comes to reaching that one goal he set himself. that obsessive self confidence. the willingness to do the most terrible things if he thinks he is right. that deserves a word like sociopath.
do not fool yourself wellington, clem, ... the most important goal he set himself is the child.
if clementine ever seemed a treat to his current obsession ...