Jane didn't leave them in cold blood. Cold blood suggests she doesn't care. She obviously cares about people and even humanity a lot. She's … moreafraid. She dragged her sister four states, each morning her sister refused to get up until Jane practically forced her. There was a point in time in which they had to jump across buildings. Jane, nearly crying tells you "What could I do? I couldn't... I couldn't throw her. I couldn't make her... I gave her what she wanted. I left." She left because she couldn't sit there and die too. The same was about to happen with Sarah.
You're thinking of the needs of one before the needs of all. In that situation Jane was being a realist and a good leader. As a leader sometimes we have to understand that we can't make people try. For instance, S1 Lee let that woman at the inn shoot herself. Did that make him a bad person? No, even though Glen didn't agree with him, and Lily was disgusted. In the end, Lee chose to… [view original content]
I've never killed someone who hasn't wrong me in some way. Yes, she did say that. I'm aware. That's not to say she was upset about saving th… moree group though. That obviously meant she didn't enjoy harming people unless she was provoked. I take it as a good thing. It's good to feel remorse for hurting people, even if that's hard in the ZA.
Besides, never killed a real person? Troy. That's a technicality though, and that is a huge difference, even if it doesn't seem like it. I'll use batman as an example (stay with me here, it's relevant xD) Batman doesn't kill people, but in an episode when a train is about to crash the bad guy looks his way, smirks and says "You can't kill me." Batmans reply is simply "No, but I don't have to save you either." That's all Jane did. She didn't save Troy, and that's easier on the conscience than truly being the way to drain someone's life. Truly killing someone is very hard, walking away from someone can make yo… [view original content]
Uh, no.
She wasn't trying to 'off' Kenny, more convince Clem that Kenny is seriously unstable.
She explains, when you save her, that s… morehe wanted to show Clem that she didn't HAVE to stay with Kenny. If she planned to kill him, she wouldn't need to prove that, she'd just do it.
She also puts away her knife, and Kenny attacks her again. She basically said 'right, that's enough' and he slammed her into a window.
That is a very black and white way to see this. Both of them were very willing to do awful things to keep Clementine. I disagree with the notion that Jane is more dangerous than Kenny. She's more frightening, that's for certain, but more dangerous? No. She's shown time and time again she wouldn't hurt Clem, Kenny emotionally manipulated Clementine (at least mine) plenty of times. He scared me. I thought he'd hurt Clem, or let her die when he was too busy beating someone up (such with the water). I never felt that way with Jane. The only time Jane put Clem in any danger was when Clem wanted it and they had to save groupies.
As for the baby, that one is tough for me. Part of me wants to say it was fine, another part is worried what could have happened instead of what did happen, but really, I know realistically that could have happened with them there too.
Jane was doing what she thought she had to in order to protect Clem. She wasn't acting anymore selfishly than Kenny was his idealism.
And before anyone brings up the point that Kenny was 'correct' about the shelter, I can argue that Jane was 'correct' that the baby would be safe. As in: things could have ended very very different.
All in all, what I'm saying here is, everyone is fighting for their sanity here, everyone does selfish things and everyone makes mistakes. Jane did something rash, but we can't condemn her for that unless we're willing to condemn Kenny for all the rash things he did in both S1 and S2 than got people killed or wounded or nearly killed.
Jane does care about Clem, and so does Kenny. You can see right away Kenny cares about Clem, and Jane likes Clem so much (in her twisted way… more), that she was willing to let a baby get killed and have her shoot Kenny just to be with her. If she's a replacement for her sister, that I don't know. I still don't agree with what she did.
I've never killed someone who hasn't wrong me in some way. Yes, she did say that. I'm aware. That's not to say she was upset about saving th… moree group though. That obviously meant she didn't enjoy harming people unless she was provoked. I take it as a good thing. It's good to feel remorse for hurting people, even if that's hard in the ZA.
Besides, never killed a real person? Troy. That's a technicality though, and that is a huge difference, even if it doesn't seem like it. I'll use batman as an example (stay with me here, it's relevant xD) Batman doesn't kill people, but in an episode when a train is about to crash the bad guy looks his way, smirks and says "You can't kill me." Batmans reply is simply "No, but I don't have to save you either." That's all Jane did. She didn't save Troy, and that's easier on the conscience than truly being the way to drain someone's life. Truly killing someone is very hard, walking away from someone can make yo… [view original content]
When Jane talked about Kenny's family,I wanted to shoot her..She was crossing the line.I thought Jane left the baby so she can escape.She kn… moreew Kenny's situation but yet she still tried to piss him off.Im not saying Kenny is an Angel,he should've tried to listen to her(but both me and Kenny thought jane killed AJ.)Also jane stabbed him at the stomach.The situation was so f*cked to be honest,I could see something like this would happen since from their argument in the car.
But it wasn't self defence! Jane baked Kenny into a corner. If she hadn't pretended she had gotten the baby killed. He never would've fought her! That was never self defence. She wanted to kill him.
Kenny lost it. He was about to drive out into the middle of nowhere with no gas, no formula, and in terrible weather. Jane's plan to head back to Howe's, where they knew there would be formula, was definitely in AJ's best interests. He's an infant, if he doesn't get formula or breast milk, he can't last more than a day. As he died, that would be day of shrieking and crying and zombie attracting. Kenny was going to get them all killed. I chose to pair up with Jane, who is a true survivor, and who I know Clem will learn a lot from. Seemed like a pretty good ending for my Clem, chilling with Jane & AJ at Howe's with a new family, and new hope.
Not on make believe. You hurt a baby. Or I believe you have hurt that baby because you told me you did I will hurt you. Badly.
It's just wh… moreo I am. I protect my family, and those weaker than me.
If you were to come up to me, and all but admit you killed a child to save yourself (which is what Jane implied) especially one that I had desperately been doing everything to keep alive in a hopeless situation. Yes I would
In the animated series Batman was fighting Joker on top of of a tram/train, he punched him, Joker lost his footing, and Batman didn't try to save him. But we're getting off the point. The point was, she knew troy would have killed them, she didn't know what that man was doing. For all she knew it was her group that attacked.
Uh, no.
She wasn't trying to 'off' Kenny, more convince Clem that Kenny is seriously unstable.
She explains, when you save her, that s… morehe wanted to show Clem that she didn't HAVE to stay with Kenny. If she planned to kill him, she wouldn't need to prove that, she'd just do it.
She also puts away her knife, and Kenny attacks her again. She basically said 'right, that's enough' and he slammed her into a window.
That's proving a point, Clementine even said so herself. And down to earth? you are joking aren't you? she left a baby alone! Say her idiot plan got her killed and Clem & Kenny went off thinking the baby was dead, what do you think would've happened to AJ? if she didn't give a fuck about herself then fine but she selfishly put a baby in danger just to prove something. Kenny cannot be held responsible for what Mike & Bonnie did and when did he put people in danger with his behavior? I know his rash reaction got people killed like Walter & Alvin(determinant) but I'm guessing you blame him for something else. How did Jane save Clem from Kenny when she was never in danger in the first place? did you not see the ending where Clem & Kenny were at Wellington? Jane only knew him for a few days and thinks she knows him more than Clementine does, she ignored the good he's done. What do you base Kenny already turning into a villain on? Jane did nothing but push him, she tried provoking him in the car and when that didn't work she uses the dead baby to push him over the edge. Jane's plan was more than proving that Kenny was crazy, she wanted him gone, she could've ended it at any moment but wanted Kenny to get violent so she can kill him and in the end she put Clementine in that position.
You see, that's the point you don't get. It wasn't about her "proving a point" (I don't know why people always come up with that nonsense, J… moreane is a pragmatic and down to earth person), it was about getting Clem to realize that Kenny is losing it and didn't want Clem to join him in his demise. He was constantly putting people into danger with his behavior and even brought the group to split up. She saw that Clem was caught between what's reasonable and her past with Kenny. Jane, a loner who is "supposed" to not give a shit about anyone else, puts herself in danger to save Clem. She didn't "create a villain", Kenny was turning himself into one and everyone saw that, including Clem. Jane's "normal" behavior would have been to leave Clem to her own downfall instead of intervening, but she didn't because she knew what would happen eventually.
Yes, it wasn't about proving, it was about Clem realizing that Kenny has become a loose cannon and it's dangerous to keep following him. That baby was never in danger, you guy keep making that up. Kenny is perfectly responsible for splitting the group, after all he was the only one that wanted to go to Wellington, while the rest wanted to go South. That was the whole reason. They wouldn't have been accepted in Wellington anyway, so what would they have done then?
Kenny lost it, he had an obsession with a baby that wasn't even his and put everyone in jeopardy for that baby. He didn't give a shit about anyone else. He didn't save Clem on the lake, Jane did. He preferred to punch Arvo.
Jane was by the far the most level headed person in that group beside Clem. It doesn't matter what good Kenny has done in the past, it was all about his present state and how he became a threat to everyone, including himself (he even admits that when you shoot him...jeez).
That's proving a point, Clementine even said so herself. And down to earth? you are joking aren't you? she left a baby alone! Say her idiot … moreplan got her killed and Clem & Kenny went off thinking the baby was dead, what do you think would've happened to AJ? if she didn't give a fuck about herself then fine but she selfishly put a baby in danger just to prove something. Kenny cannot be held responsible for what Mike & Bonnie did and when did he put people in danger with his behavior? I know his rash reaction got people killed like Walter & Alvin(determinant) but I'm guessing you blame him for something else. How did Jane save Clem from Kenny when she was never in danger in the first place? did you not see the ending where Clem & Kenny were at Wellington? Jane only knew him for a few days and thinks she knows him more than Clementine does, she ignored the good he's done. What do you base Kenny already turning into a villain on? J… [view original content]
We can't speak to whether or not Jane just wanted to have Clem with her. Nothing she does for Clem disproves it. Her selfishness is debatable at the least.
I didn't choose Jane because my Clem hates Kenny. I chose her because as far as I knew, Kenny just tried to kill Jane for losing a baby acci… moredentally.
Regardless of whether that was the truth, what if Clem really DID lose the baby accidentally later? He could well go that crazy again, and this time in Clem.
Also, the people saying she's selfish are kind of crazy. Every single thing she does in episode 5 is to try to protect Clem/. Regardless of whether she is mislead, the fact is that she was trying to do what's best for her. Which isn't what seflishness is.
I keep seeing this arguement "Kenny was putting everyone in danger" How?
He took a beating for them at Carvers camp, he got them out of the herd. He got them a working vehicle...
You see, that's the point you don't get. It wasn't about her "proving a point" (I don't know why people always come up with that nonsense, J… moreane is a pragmatic and down to earth person), it was about getting Clem to realize that Kenny is losing it and didn't want Clem to join him in his demise. He was constantly putting people into danger with his behavior and even brought the group to split up. She saw that Clem was caught between what's reasonable and her past with Kenny. Jane, a loner who is "supposed" to not give a shit about anyone else, puts herself in danger to save Clem. She didn't "create a villain", Kenny was turning himself into one and everyone saw that, including Clem. Jane's "normal" behavior would have been to leave Clem to her own downfall instead of intervening, but she didn't because she knew what would happen eventually.
Yes, heading back into a walker infested building is in everyones best interest. How many of them would die before they found formula. If there was any to be found at all?
You should change your name to executionerangie.
Kenny lost it. He was about to drive out into the middle of nowhere with no gas, no for… moremula, and in terrible weather. Jane's plan to head back to Howe's, where they knew there would be formula, was definitely in AJ's best interests. He's an infant, if he doesn't get formula or breast milk, he can't last more than a day. As he died, that would be day of shrieking and crying and zombie attracting. Kenny was going to get them all killed. I chose to pair up with Jane, who is a true survivor, and who I know Clem will learn a lot from. Seemed like a pretty good ending for my Clem, chilling with Jane & AJ at Howe's with a new family, and new hope.
Read her body language, every word she said, the situation she implied - all designed to evoke a violent response. Shes no better, infact I think shes far more dangerous!
Umm, no she didn't want to kill him. You clearly ignored the entire point of her hoax.
She was trying to convince Clem that she should co… moreme with her not Kenny. Why would she do that if she just wanted to kill Kenny?
Furthermore, halfway through the fight, Jane is done. She puts away her knife. She wouldn't do that if she wanted to kill Kenny.
But then Kenny attacks her again, and then she has to resort to self-defense.
Because shes looking for a second chance at redemption with Clementine. She says its the only reason she returned. She left her sister to die. ANd she sees Clem as her second chance.
Kenny lost his family, and sees Clem as his second chance.
I dont understand why Jane is right and Kenny is in the wrong, when Jane is far more manipulative, and willing to kill to get her way
Well said....! Jane is, and always has been out for number one, I dont undertand how people are blind to that fact.
Kenny is a good man, who sometimes makes bad decisions - which eat at him piece by piece as we have seen and continue to see. Yet he ALWAYS has the good of the group at heart, and it hurts him when people side against him. Because hes trying to do whats right.
Jane doesnt care about the group. She cares about Jane. Shes willing to leave people behind. Sarah, the entire group, then Clementine and Kenny.
That is not someone you can trust your life with
She may still be capable of caring about people, but she's willing to throw it away when it means putting herself in danger. That's neither … moreadmirable nor strong, and it's not a quality a leader should have, unless you want your leader to be Carver.
Sarah and Jaime aren't the same. What little we're told about Jaime is that she actually did choose to give up. Sarah never chose to give up, but was stuck in a bad place due to her anxiety and her father's recent death. But Jane was nevertheless ready to leave her. That's not what Sarah wanted, Sarah was just incapable of understanding what was going on around her in that moment. But the clincher is when you do save Sarah the first time, and she gets trapped under the rubble later and is clearly screaming for help, Jane immediately says they should just leave her because she wasn't getting out of that. That's not being a realist, that's giving up on a child about to die so you don't risk yourse… [view original content]
We can't speak to whether or not Jane just wanted to have Clem with her. Nothing she does for Clem disproves it. Her selfishness is debatable at the least.
I don't like what Jane did and my ending was with Kenny, yet I don't think that the people that dislike Kenny necessarily condone what Jane did, people dislike Kenny for many reasons and they aren't just because the are Jane fans, some people just don't agree with the things that Kenny do or say, I didn't like him that much after episode 4 but episode 5 made me respect him a bit more.
Yes, heading back into a walker infested building is in everyones best interest. How many of them would die before they found formula. If there was any to be found at all?
No way in the world she's more dangerous than Kenny. He was completely out of control. Ask Arvo how dangerous he was. He repeatedly beat on a teenage boy who was already bound and helpless. Kenny cant seem to control his anger. At least Jane had that.
Read her body language, every word she said, the situation she implied - all designed to evoke a violent response. Shes no better, infact I think shes far more dangerous!
The thing is, if the roles were reversed and it was Kenny doing what Jane did in order to get rid of her, every single one of you who condone Jane would be calling for Kenny's head right there. Don't even try to deny it. Double standards.
Anyone who does something like that should never be trusted again, EVER. She didn't deserve to die, but considering you had to choose one and she was the one who caused the situation....
Not to mention that if it was Kenny coming up with that plan, everyone would conclude, me included, that that was the ultimate proof of Kenny's insanity. So what does that tell you about Jane?
None of them are right or wrong, it just the way the player perceives each of them. Her returning shows she isn't out for just herself, she cares about Clem as much as Kenny does.
Because shes looking for a second chance at redemption with Clementine. She says its the only reason she returned. She left her sister to di… moree. ANd she sees Clem as her second chance.
Kenny lost his family, and sees Clem as his second chance.
I dont understand why Jane is right and Kenny is in the wrong, when Jane is far more manipulative, and willing to kill to get her way
Didn't bother reading.
When trying to get your hypocritically biased point across, it's best to not use "hater" as a term to explain people who don't agree with you.
Just an FYI.
None of them are right or wrong, it just the way the player perceives each of them. Her returning shows she isn't out for just herself, she cares about Clem as much as Kenny does.
She tells Clem she is 90% of the reason she came back, and she promises she'll never abandon her again. Those words were sincere, as sincere as Kenny apologizing to Clem in the camp fire scene. If she was in fact out for herself there would be no need for her to return to the group. Someone you are surviving with is someone you are looking after. A "survival buddy" as you put it is a partner. Someone who looks after you, while you look after them. Jane cared about Clem, as much as Kenny.
She tells Clem she is 90% of the reason she came back, and she promises she'll never abandon her again. Those words were sincere, as sincere… more as Kenny apologizing to Clem in the camp fire scene. If she was in fact out for herself there would be no need for her to return to the group. Someone you are surviving with is someone you are looking after. A "survival buddy" as you put it is a partner. Someone who looks after you, while you look after them. Jane cared about Clem, as much as Kenny.
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Err... that's exactly my point,really.
Batman always saves the villain , he is the hero. He wouldn't let someone die.
She was trying to manipulate the player into killing Kenny.
That is a very black and white way to see this. Both of them were very willing to do awful things to keep Clementine. I disagree with the notion that Jane is more dangerous than Kenny. She's more frightening, that's for certain, but more dangerous? No. She's shown time and time again she wouldn't hurt Clem, Kenny emotionally manipulated Clementine (at least mine) plenty of times. He scared me. I thought he'd hurt Clem, or let her die when he was too busy beating someone up (such with the water). I never felt that way with Jane. The only time Jane put Clem in any danger was when Clem wanted it and they had to save groupies.
As for the baby, that one is tough for me. Part of me wants to say it was fine, another part is worried what could have happened instead of what did happen, but really, I know realistically that could have happened with them there too.
Jane was doing what she thought she had to in order to protect Clem. She wasn't acting anymore selfishly than Kenny was his idealism.
And before anyone brings up the point that Kenny was 'correct' about the shelter, I can argue that Jane was 'correct' that the baby would be safe. As in: things could have ended very very different.
All in all, what I'm saying here is, everyone is fighting for their sanity here, everyone does selfish things and everyone makes mistakes. Jane did something rash, but we can't condemn her for that unless we're willing to condemn Kenny for all the rash things he did in both S1 and S2 than got people killed or wounded or nearly killed.
Coolio.
There's a difference between refusing to save someone and shooting them in the dick leaving them for dead.
You do know Kenny already said similar stuff to her before that, right?
'Nobody cares about you, nobody loves you, you're nothing.'
He did in Batman Begins the movie.
Umm, no she didn't want to kill him. You clearly ignored the entire point of her hoax.
She was trying to convince Clem that she should come with her not Kenny. Why would she do that if she just wanted to kill Kenny?
Furthermore, halfway through the fight, Jane is done. She puts away her knife. She wouldn't do that if she wanted to kill Kenny.
But then Kenny attacks her again, and then she has to resort to self-defense.
I agree. she didn't have to come back, she didn't knew Clem until episode 3 but she did save them.
That movie is bad. It has as much to do with Batman, as the new Startrek has to do with Kirk.
You should change your name to executionerangie.
Kenny lost it. He was about to drive out into the middle of nowhere with no gas, no formula, and in terrible weather. Jane's plan to head back to Howe's, where they knew there would be formula, was definitely in AJ's best interests. He's an infant, if he doesn't get formula or breast milk, he can't last more than a day. As he died, that would be day of shrieking and crying and zombie attracting. Kenny was going to get them all killed. I chose to pair up with Jane, who is a true survivor, and who I know Clem will learn a lot from. Seemed like a pretty good ending for my Clem, chilling with Jane & AJ at Howe's with a new family, and new hope.
In the animated series Batman was fighting Joker on top of of a tram/train, he punched him, Joker lost his footing, and Batman didn't try to save him. But we're getting off the point. The point was, she knew troy would have killed them, she didn't know what that man was doing. For all she knew it was her group that attacked.
Then when Clem gets between them Jane throws her to the ground because that was enough and Jane wasn't herself full of rage and dangerous.
That's proving a point, Clementine even said so herself. And down to earth? you are joking aren't you? she left a baby alone! Say her idiot plan got her killed and Clem & Kenny went off thinking the baby was dead, what do you think would've happened to AJ? if she didn't give a fuck about herself then fine but she selfishly put a baby in danger just to prove something. Kenny cannot be held responsible for what Mike & Bonnie did and when did he put people in danger with his behavior? I know his rash reaction got people killed like Walter & Alvin(determinant) but I'm guessing you blame him for something else. How did Jane save Clem from Kenny when she was never in danger in the first place? did you not see the ending where Clem & Kenny were at Wellington? Jane only knew him for a few days and thinks she knows him more than Clementine does, she ignored the good he's done. What do you base Kenny already turning into a villain on? Jane did nothing but push him, she tried provoking him in the car and when that didn't work she uses the dead baby to push him over the edge. Jane's plan was more than proving that Kenny was crazy, she wanted him gone, she could've ended it at any moment but wanted Kenny to get violent so she can kill him and in the end she put Clementine in that position.
Yes, it wasn't about proving, it was about Clem realizing that Kenny has become a loose cannon and it's dangerous to keep following him. That baby was never in danger, you guy keep making that up. Kenny is perfectly responsible for splitting the group, after all he was the only one that wanted to go to Wellington, while the rest wanted to go South. That was the whole reason. They wouldn't have been accepted in Wellington anyway, so what would they have done then?
Kenny lost it, he had an obsession with a baby that wasn't even his and put everyone in jeopardy for that baby. He didn't give a shit about anyone else. He didn't save Clem on the lake, Jane did. He preferred to punch Arvo.
Jane was by the far the most level headed person in that group beside Clem. It doesn't matter what good Kenny has done in the past, it was all about his present state and how he became a threat to everyone, including himself (he even admits that when you shoot him...jeez).
We can't speak to whether or not Jane just wanted to have Clem with her. Nothing she does for Clem disproves it. Her selfishness is debatable at the least.
I keep seeing this arguement "Kenny was putting everyone in danger" How?
He took a beating for them at Carvers camp, he got them out of the herd. He got them a working vehicle...
How is that putting everyone in danger?
Yes, heading back into a walker infested building is in everyones best interest. How many of them would die before they found formula. If there was any to be found at all?
Read her body language, every word she said, the situation she implied - all designed to evoke a violent response. Shes no better, infact I think shes far more dangerous!
Because shes looking for a second chance at redemption with Clementine. She says its the only reason she returned. She left her sister to die. ANd she sees Clem as her second chance.
Kenny lost his family, and sees Clem as his second chance.
I dont understand why Jane is right and Kenny is in the wrong, when Jane is far more manipulative, and willing to kill to get her way
Well said....! Jane is, and always has been out for number one, I dont undertand how people are blind to that fact.
Kenny is a good man, who sometimes makes bad decisions - which eat at him piece by piece as we have seen and continue to see. Yet he ALWAYS has the good of the group at heart, and it hurts him when people side against him. Because hes trying to do whats right.
Jane doesnt care about the group. She cares about Jane. Shes willing to leave people behind. Sarah, the entire group, then Clementine and Kenny.
That is not someone you can trust your life with
They're both being jerks! Where the fuck is Luke?
Jane was selfish? What she did there was for Clem's sake.
Didn't bother reading.
When trying to get your hypocritically biased point across, it's best to not use "hater" as a term to explain people who don't agree with you.
Just an FYI.
I don't like what Jane did and my ending was with Kenny, yet I don't think that the people that dislike Kenny necessarily condone what Jane did, people dislike Kenny for many reasons and they aren't just because the are Jane fans, some people just don't agree with the things that Kenny do or say, I didn't like him that much after episode 4 but episode 5 made me respect him a bit more.
There was formula and there were no walkers. Jane was right that they moved on.
No way in the world she's more dangerous than Kenny. He was completely out of control. Ask Arvo how dangerous he was. He repeatedly beat on a teenage boy who was already bound and helpless. Kenny cant seem to control his anger. At least Jane had that.
The thing is, if the roles were reversed and it was Kenny doing what Jane did in order to get rid of her, every single one of you who condone Jane would be calling for Kenny's head right there. Don't even try to deny it. Double standards.
Anyone who does something like that should never be trusted again, EVER. She didn't deserve to die, but considering you had to choose one and she was the one who caused the situation....
Not to mention that if it was Kenny coming up with that plan, everyone would conclude, me included, that that was the ultimate proof of Kenny's insanity. So what does that tell you about Jane?
I felt throughout the episode that Jane was becoming possessive of Clem. Nothing has been presented to disprove that.
None of them are right or wrong, it just the way the player perceives each of them. Her returning shows she isn't out for just herself, she cares about Clem as much as Kenny does.
If you didn't read then why comment, and if you felt it was disrespectful then don't reward it with disrespect.
That doesn't prove that she isn't just out for herself if what she wants is a survival buddy.
I don't condone it but i don't condone killing a group member either
Something has just occurred to me.
I can't genuinely remember a single moment where Kenny directly saved Clementine? Can anyone else?
She tells Clem she is 90% of the reason she came back, and she promises she'll never abandon her again. Those words were sincere, as sincere as Kenny apologizing to Clem in the camp fire scene. If she was in fact out for herself there would be no need for her to return to the group. Someone you are surviving with is someone you are looking after. A "survival buddy" as you put it is a partner. Someone who looks after you, while you look after them. Jane cared about Clem, as much as Kenny.
BOTTOM LINE: JANE WANTED TO STEAL THE GROUP.
Jane could be looking after Clem for Jane. None of that rules out that it's all for herself.