Jane has survived on her own for a long time, I doubt she needs Clem to help her now. Why protect Clem now, what is the motive there? She's capable of looking after herself, she doesn't need Clem's help; plus now she has a baby she'll need to look after also which causes her to be even more vulnerable. Jane is ultimately stronger on her own she has proven this. So why return?
It's not about need Clem, it's about wanting her. Her time with Clem stirs up memories of her sister and she wants Clem as a proxy for that. Jane is better off on her own so why would she think she is the best person to care for Clem and the baby?
Jane has survived on her own for a long time, I doubt she needs Clem to help her now. Why protect Clem now, what is the motive there? She's … morecapable of looking after herself, she doesn't need Clem's help; plus now she has a baby she'll need to look after also which causes her to be even more vulnerable. Jane is ultimately stronger on her own she has proven this. So why return?
I'm not "rewarding" it with anything. I'm simply stating that if people want us horrible "Kenny haters" to understand their points. Don't use the term "hater," it's a twelve year old term.
She pulls a knife on him. It's different if she was defending herself with her fists, but as soon as she put the knife into the equation she crossed a line even after she puts it away. It's enough to say loudly with her actions that she has intent to kill. From that point on it's not about the baby or if he's acting too violent, but about them not getting killed by the other.
Wow...we're biased for putting a balanced arguement out there. But youre not biased because you didnt read it and believe that youre right...okaaaaayyyyyyy....
I'm not "rewarding" it with anything. I'm simply stating that if people want us horrible "Kenny haters" to understand their points. Don't use the term "hater," it's a twelve year old term.
Thats what pisses me off...Kenny could single handedly end the ZA, yet people would still be calling for his head. Kenny is the most realistic person in the game, I wonder if thats why people dont like him. They dont want to believe that they could end up like Kenny. Instead they become self righteous and insist that in that situation, they would do it any other way.
The thing is, if the roles were reversed and it was Kenny doing what Jane did in order to get rid of her, every single one of you who condon… moree Jane would be calling for Kenny's head right there. Don't even try to deny it. Double standards.
Anyone who does something like that should never be trusted again, EVER. She didn't deserve to die, but considering you had to choose one and she was the one who caused the situation....
Not to mention that if it was Kenny coming up with that plan, everyone would conclude, me included, that that was the ultimate proof of Kenny's insanity. So what does that tell you about Jane?
Jane's followers( more mature than calling them Kenny's haters) will try to find ANY little thing to go against Kenny so it's no surprise that they are easily manipulated into condoning Jane's actions. They're sheeple and "weak of will" as put in Carver's words.
There was no TEAMJANE in episode 4 so that tells a lot on how desperate they are to jump into the hate bandwagon.
Kenny's obsession with AJ stirs memories of his son. It's the same with them both. Kenny with AJ and Jane with Clem. So wouldn't AJ be serving as a proxy for Kenny as well? And you've proven my point. She thinks she is the best person, because she cares about them that's why she returns. The same as Kenny whom thinks he's the best person.
It's not about need Clem, it's about wanting her. Her time with Clem stirs up memories of her sister and she wants Clem as a proxy for that. Jane is better off on her own so why would she think she is the best person to care for Clem and the baby?
the problem with this whole thing is that jane fans think that everything that happened was kenny's fault and that he was just selfish well the way i see it kenny saw clem as a 2nd duck and aj as a way to redeem himself for not being a good father to duck before the outbreak and he actually cares for their safety while jane on the other hand sees clem as a 2nd jamie and i still think she does not care about aj but jane wouldn't risk her life for them unlike kenny so that caused kenny and jane to clash
they both have their pros and cons but in the end its up to you to decide imo kenny is the better option at least he gives up his chance of going into wellington so clem and aj can live a safe life while he is on his own again
Dude no...I could say that Kenny-fans just searching any little thing to go against jane. And that there just take kenny because they are Kenny fans. Just stop to think most of the people who went with jane, did it because they hate him. And STOP to tell everyone it's better to not shot kenny. It's a personal decision. I fcking loved Kenny and the whole season on his side...but I cant watch him murder him someone. It really destroyed me but I stay to my decision. So stop telling that it was the wrong one, it makes me so mad
Jane's followers( more mature than calling them Kenny's haters) will try to find ANY little thing to go against Kenny so it's no surprise th… moreat they are easily manipulated into condoning Jane's actions. They're sheeple and "weak of will" as put in Carver's words.
There was no TEAMJANE in episode 4 so that tells a lot on how desperate they are to jump into the hate bandwagon.
Pull any dog's tail long enough and it will bite. Jane wasn't going to stop provoking him until he got violent. But antagonizing someone to that point can happen to anyone prone to anger or not and doesn't prove anything other than that Jane is manipulative.
Nope. She wanted Clem to see how dangerous Kenny had become. If you saved Jane she even says she was really sorry and she didn't think he wo… moreuld go that far. But, that's a mute point in my opinion. As it's the beauty of hindsight.
For what it's worth, if I could choose anyone still living for Clem to be with, it would probably be Molly.
She still pushed him over the line and into insanity by purposefully endangering AJ. That's straight up wrong. Just as wrong as Kenny losing his mind and trying to kill her.
In Kenny's ending we see where his heart truly lied. He gave up the children to the safety of Wellington. Jane's intentions are still unknown, only that she is keeping Clem close. Her believing she is the best person to care for them and her being at her best alone is an inconsistency. It does nothing to prove your point. Another reason has to exist to make the decision work. I propose that it's her want to have Clem at her side for her own benefit.
Kenny's obsession with AJ stirs memories of his son. It's the same with them both. Kenny with AJ and Jane with Clem. So wouldn't AJ be servi… moreng as a proxy for Kenny as well? And you've proven my point. She thinks she is the best person, because she cares about them that's why she returns. The same as Kenny whom thinks he's the best person.
the problem with this whole thing is that jane fans think that everything that happened was kenny's fault and that he was just selfish well … morethe way i see it kenny saw clem as a 2nd duck and aj as a way to redeem himself for not being a good father to duck before the outbreak and he actually cares for their safety while jane on the other hand sees clem as a 2nd jamie and i still think she does not care about aj but jane wouldn't risk her life for them unlike kenny so that caused kenny and jane to clash
they both have their pros and cons but in the end its up to you to decide imo kenny is the better option at least he gives up his chance of going into wellington so clem and aj can live a safe life while he is on his own again
She pulls a knife on him. It's different if she was defending herself with her fists, but as soon as she put the knife into the equation she… more crossed a line even after she puts it away. It's enough to say loudly with her actions that she has intent to kill. From that point on it's not about the baby or if he's acting too violent, but about them not getting killed by the other.
Dude no...I could say that Kenny-fans just searching any little thing to go against jane. And that there just take kenny because they are Ke… morenny fans. Just stop to think most of the people who went with jane, did it because they hate him. And STOP to tell everyone it's better to not shot kenny. It's a personal decision. I fcking loved Kenny and the whole season on his side...but I cant watch him murder him someone. It really destroyed me but I stay to my decision. So stop telling that it was the wrong one, it makes me so mad
Pull any dog's tail long enough and it will bite. Jane wasn't going to stop provoking him until he got violent. But antagonizing someone to … morethat point can happen to anyone prone to anger or not and doesn't prove anything other than that Jane is manipulative.
Kenny knows he is emotionally unfit for both Clem and AJ an extension of his love is to give them up. Jane on the other hand Keeps them close, an extension of her love. What would be the point of her giving them up? Kenny offers the children safety the only way he knows how in that ending. Where as Jane can only offer the children safety through herself. She has kept herself safe and believes she can do the same with Clem and AJ, offering herself to protect them the only way she knows how. There's no reason for Jane to give up the children.
She's proven she's stronger on her own, returning to care for Clem and AJ makes her more vulnerable . There's no benefit for her to return she's better on her own. But she comes back because she's willing to care for them.
In Kenny's ending we see where his heart truly lied. He gave up the children to the safety of Wellington. Jane's intentions are still unknow… moren, only that she is keeping Clem close. Her believing she is the best person to care for them and her being at her best alone is an inconsistency. It does nothing to prove your point. Another reason has to exist to make the decision work. I propose that it's her want to have Clem at her side for her own benefit.
Or she wants to have Clem with her. If you want to feel as you do it's on you. However, none of what you have presented disproves my position. We're just going to continue rehashing the same points ad infinitum.
edit: Read through after I posted and it sounds like I was saying you are wrong. That isn't my intention, I've just been arguing the position I put forth.
Kenny knows he is emotionally unfit for both Clem and AJ an extension of his love is to give them up. Jane on the other hand Keeps them clos… moree, an extension of her love. What would be the point of her giving them up? Kenny offers the children safety the only way he knows how in that ending. Where as Jane can only offer the children safety through herself. She has kept herself safe and believes she can do the same with Clem and AJ, offering herself to protect them the only way she knows how. There's no reason for Jane to give up the children.
She's proven she's stronger on her own, returning to care for Clem and AJ makes her more vulnerable . There's no benefit for her to return she's better on her own. But she comes back because she's willing to care for them.
Nothing is on me, it just how I perceived the endings. Both Kenny and Jane cared for the kids, and none of what you have said disproved my statement either. So I guess we'll agree to disagree
Or she wants to have Clem with her. If you want to feel as you do it's on you. However, none of what you have presented disproves my positio… moren. We're just going to continue rehashing the same points ad infinitum.
edit: Read through after I posted and it sounds like I was saying you are wrong. That isn't my intention, I've just been arguing the position I put forth.
I refuse to read because of the inclusion of "hater" being in your title. That term is directed at me. So, no, I won't read it. Also, I was stating that you should change your title to something a little less childish.
Wow...we're biased for putting a balanced arguement out there. But youre not biased because you didnt read it and believe that youre right...okaaaaayyyyyyy....
I think it's a fair assumption to say that Kenny haters condoned Jane's actions. That doesn't imply that everyone who condoned Jane's actions is a Kenny hater. If you're offended you are lumping yourself in with them.
You obviously did not read what I said above.
I refuse to read because of the inclusion of "hater" being in your title. That term is dire… morected at me. So, no, I won't read it. Also, I was stating that you should change your title to something a little less childish.
Nope, "hater" is an implied term meaning someone who dislikes something simply cause. Which the use of that word is a new low for the forums and for Kenny fans.
I knew people would hate Jane for her clash with Kenny. I never thought, however, that people would start to direct twelve year old insults at people who may have agreed with her in order to gain sympathy from the Kenny supporters.
I think it's a fair assumption to say that Kenny haters condoned Jane's actions. That doesn't imply that everyone who condoned Jane's actions is a Kenny hater. If you're offended you are lumping yourself in with them.
That doesn't make it any less meaningless to someone who has valid points and isn't just being a "hater", right? You still have to apply it to yourself in order to be offended.
Nope, "hater" is an implied term meaning someone who dislikes something simply cause. Which the use of that word is a new low for the forums… more and for Kenny fans.
I knew people would hate Jane for her clash with Kenny. I never thought, however, that people would start to direct twelve year old insults at people who may have agreed with her in order to gain sympathy from the Kenny supporters.
I loved the Batman the animated series, lol who cares about the TWD at this point, my favorite one is when Bruce wayne gets put in that hot box, and he fights that huge fat guy who tries to throw a turkey leg at batman.
In the animated series Batman was fighting Joker on top of of a tram/train, he punched him, Joker lost his footing, and Batman didn't try to… more save him. But we're getting off the point. The point was, she knew troy would have killed them, she didn't know what that man was doing. For all she knew it was her group that attacked.
Exactly. Both of them have proven themselves to be unstable, and quite frankly not who I personally want Clem to be with. I ended up with Clem being alone with the baby..and that's what I view as the best ending in my opinion. I know being with Kenny gives some people that warm fuzzy feeling (and it did for me too at first) but the guy is losing it. While I view Jane as slightly better mentally, I still don't agree entirely with her mentality. I understand she wanted to prove her point to Clementine about Kenny, but the way she went about it was reckless in my eyes. Besides, my Clem already saw the road Kenny was headed down and the actions she took to try and prove Kenny was going off the deep end was a bit much.
What a needlessly provocative thread title.
Personally I thought every scene from the 'house' onwards showed just how unstable and danger… moreous both of them are. Kenny was a bomb waiting to go off, and clearly capable of anything, even trying to shame Clem's lack of bloodlust when she doesn't like him beating Arvo to a pulp. Meanwhile Jane was manipulative and just as ruthless, just as vicious as Kenny in the fight, and forces Clem to shoot him if you save her. She claims she never meant it to go that far, but wasn't that the point of her little stunt - to prove just what Kenny was capable of? She also risked the baby's life.
Neither of them seems to be in the right in my opinion.
Now thats a childish comment. I'm not a massive Kenny fan. But because I have defended his actions over the last few episodes, I have been called insane, rabid, a nutter and a zealot to name but a few. But I'm grown up enough to let it slide.
Haters is this thread title because from experience here on the forums. People hate Kenny. Theres no other word for it.
Nope, "hater" is an implied term meaning someone who dislikes something simply cause. Which the use of that word is a new low for the forums… more and for Kenny fans.
I knew people would hate Jane for her clash with Kenny. I never thought, however, that people would start to direct twelve year old insults at people who may have agreed with her in order to gain sympathy from the Kenny supporters.
Are you like Kenny? Are you as stubborn, pigheaded, impulsive, hot-tempered and violent as he is? Unless you are, I dont even see how you would do the same things he has done in spite of how much you defend him?
Thats what pisses me off...Kenny could single handedly end the ZA, yet people would still be calling for his head. Kenny is the most realist… moreic person in the game, I wonder if thats why people dont like him. They dont want to believe that they could end up like Kenny. Instead they become self righteous and insist that in that situation, they would do it any other way.
Jane was actually one of my favorite characters. But the fact that she lied, or even implied that the baby was dead just to get Kenny to snap so Clem would go with her...I have no sympathy for her at all. That was manipulative, and she knew that Kenny would lose it if the baby was dead, hell I was losing it when I thought she let the baby die. For this reason I let Kenny kill her, I would have shot her myself if I had the option to be honest. Then we learn that the baby was safe and hidden, all because she wanted to make Clem turn on Kenny and come with her to be what her sister Jaime could not. She explicitly said she wants Clem to see what Kenny really is, as if I was going to choose someone I'd only known for 2 days, someone who abandoned Clem once already, for someone who Clem has known for years, someone who albeit does have a bad temper, but would never ever abandon Clem, and would always protect her with his life. Jane's plan backfired, all I saw was a manipulative and coldhearted woman who sealed her own fate after having the audacity to lie about a baby dying to fuel her own agenda.
This is now the fourth thread I've read that has used "hater" in the title to explain someone's (for the most part) rational distaste for Kenny.
Guess how many threads I've seen that have used "Jane haters" as a term against Kenny supporters? You guessed it, zero. Doesn't that seem kind of biased to you?
That doesn't make it any less meaningless to someone who has valid points and isn't just being a "hater", right? You still have to apply it to yourself in order to be offended.
Jane was actually one of my favorite characters. But the fact that she lied, or even implied that the baby was dead just to get Kenny to sna… morep so Clem would go with her...I have no sympathy for her at all. That was manipulative, and she knew that Kenny would lose it if the baby was dead, hell I was losing it when I thought she let the baby die. For this reason I let Kenny kill her, I would have shot her myself if I had the option to be honest. Then we learn that the baby was safe and hidden, all because she wanted to make Clem turn on Kenny and come with her to be what her sister Jaime could not. She explicitly said she wants Clem to see what Kenny really is, as if I was going to choose someone I'd only known for 2 days, someone who abandoned Clem once already, for someone who Clem has known for years, someone who albeit does have a bad temper, but would never ever abandon Clem, and would always protect her with his life. Jane's plan backfired… [view original content]
I could say that Kenny-fans just searching any little thing to go against jane
all the reasons to go against Jane were put right on my screen by Telltale.
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are you serious? jane constantly brought up kenny's family she started all of it
Jane has survived on her own for a long time, I doubt she needs Clem to help her now. Why protect Clem now, what is the motive there? She's capable of looking after herself, she doesn't need Clem's help; plus now she has a baby she'll need to look after also which causes her to be even more vulnerable. Jane is ultimately stronger on her own she has proven this. So why return?
One savior one kenny
It's not about need Clem, it's about wanting her. Her time with Clem stirs up memories of her sister and she wants Clem as a proxy for that. Jane is better off on her own so why would she think she is the best person to care for Clem and the baby?
I'm not "rewarding" it with anything. I'm simply stating that if people want us horrible "Kenny haters" to understand their points. Don't use the term "hater," it's a twelve year old term.
She was, she wanted sister 2.0
She pulls a knife on him. It's different if she was defending herself with her fists, but as soon as she put the knife into the equation she crossed a line even after she puts it away. It's enough to say loudly with her actions that she has intent to kill. From that point on it's not about the baby or if he's acting too violent, but about them not getting killed by the other.
Wow...we're biased for putting a balanced arguement out there. But youre not biased because you didnt read it and believe that youre right...okaaaaayyyyyyy....
Thats what pisses me off...Kenny could single handedly end the ZA, yet people would still be calling for his head. Kenny is the most realistic person in the game, I wonder if thats why people dont like him. They dont want to believe that they could end up like Kenny. Instead they become self righteous and insist that in that situation, they would do it any other way.
Jane's followers( more mature than calling them Kenny's haters) will try to find ANY little thing to go against Kenny so it's no surprise that they are easily manipulated into condoning Jane's actions. They're sheeple and "weak of will" as put in Carver's words.
There was no TEAMJANE in episode 4 so that tells a lot on how desperate they are to jump into the hate bandwagon.
Kenny's obsession with AJ stirs memories of his son. It's the same with them both. Kenny with AJ and Jane with Clem. So wouldn't AJ be serving as a proxy for Kenny as well? And you've proven my point. She thinks she is the best person, because she cares about them that's why she returns. The same as Kenny whom thinks he's the best person.
the problem with this whole thing is that jane fans think that everything that happened was kenny's fault and that he was just selfish well the way i see it kenny saw clem as a 2nd duck and aj as a way to redeem himself for not being a good father to duck before the outbreak and he actually cares for their safety while jane on the other hand sees clem as a 2nd jamie and i still think she does not care about aj but jane wouldn't risk her life for them unlike kenny so that caused kenny and jane to clash
they both have their pros and cons but in the end its up to you to decide imo kenny is the better option at least he gives up his chance of going into wellington so clem and aj can live a safe life while he is on his own again
Dude no...I could say that Kenny-fans just searching any little thing to go against jane. And that there just take kenny because they are Kenny fans. Just stop to think most of the people who went with jane, did it because they hate him. And STOP to tell everyone it's better to not shot kenny. It's a personal decision. I fcking loved Kenny and the whole season on his side...but I cant watch him murder him someone. It really destroyed me but I stay to my decision. So stop telling that it was the wrong one, it makes me so mad
Pull any dog's tail long enough and it will bite. Jane wasn't going to stop provoking him until he got violent. But antagonizing someone to that point can happen to anyone prone to anger or not and doesn't prove anything other than that Jane is manipulative.
She still pushed him over the line and into insanity by purposefully endangering AJ. That's straight up wrong. Just as wrong as Kenny losing his mind and trying to kill her.
In Kenny's ending we see where his heart truly lied. He gave up the children to the safety of Wellington. Jane's intentions are still unknown, only that she is keeping Clem close. Her believing she is the best person to care for them and her being at her best alone is an inconsistency. It does nothing to prove your point. Another reason has to exist to make the decision work. I propose that it's her want to have Clem at her side for her own benefit.
Cool thing. I went with Jane but I liked who you see that situation. We are on the same level...so take my like!
What she was saying at that point was. "I don't need a knife to beat you. I can take you"
all the reasons to go against Jane were put right on my screen by Telltale.
Best post I've seen so far. Well said!
Kenny knows he is emotionally unfit for both Clem and AJ an extension of his love is to give them up. Jane on the other hand Keeps them close, an extension of her love. What would be the point of her giving them up? Kenny offers the children safety the only way he knows how in that ending. Where as Jane can only offer the children safety through herself. She has kept herself safe and believes she can do the same with Clem and AJ, offering herself to protect them the only way she knows how. There's no reason for Jane to give up the children.
She's proven she's stronger on her own, returning to care for Clem and AJ makes her more vulnerable . There's no benefit for her to return she's better on her own. But she comes back because she's willing to care for them.
If you tell Jane to back off she says "No Clem. It's time to put this crusty piece of shit out of his misery!"
She wants to kill Kenny.
Or she wants to have Clem with her. If you want to feel as you do it's on you. However, none of what you have presented disproves my position. We're just going to continue rehashing the same points ad infinitum.
edit: Read through after I posted and it sounds like I was saying you are wrong. That isn't my intention, I've just been arguing the position I put forth.
Okay, hold on a second- replace Kenny with Lee, and replace the baby with Clementine. You think Lee wouldn't act the way Kenny did and murder Jane?
Nothing is on me, it just how I perceived the endings. Both Kenny and Jane cared for the kids, and none of what you have said disproved my statement either. So I guess we'll agree to disagree
Coupled with the fact that she aims for his stomach with her knife, she could have easily just stabbed him in the leg if she thought he was a threat.
You obviously did not read what I said above.
I refuse to read because of the inclusion of "hater" being in your title. That term is directed at me. So, no, I won't read it. Also, I was stating that you should change your title to something a little less childish.
I think it's a fair assumption to say that Kenny haters condoned Jane's actions. That doesn't imply that everyone who condoned Jane's actions is a Kenny hater. If you're offended you are lumping yourself in with them.
Nope, "hater" is an implied term meaning someone who dislikes something simply cause. Which the use of that word is a new low for the forums and for Kenny fans.
I knew people would hate Jane for her clash with Kenny. I never thought, however, that people would start to direct twelve year old insults at people who may have agreed with her in order to gain sympathy from the Kenny supporters.
She made a mistake but she didn't deserve to die.
Kenny deserved to die when he tried to cross the line and he acknowledges that fact.
That doesn't make it any less meaningless to someone who has valid points and isn't just being a "hater", right? You still have to apply it to yourself in order to be offended.
I loved the Batman the animated series, lol who cares about the TWD at this point, my favorite one is when Bruce wayne gets put in that hot box, and he fights that huge fat guy who tries to throw a turkey leg at batman.
Exactly. Both of them have proven themselves to be unstable, and quite frankly not who I personally want Clem to be with. I ended up with Clem being alone with the baby..and that's what I view as the best ending in my opinion. I know being with Kenny gives some people that warm fuzzy feeling (and it did for me too at first) but the guy is losing it. While I view Jane as slightly better mentally, I still don't agree entirely with her mentality. I understand she wanted to prove her point to Clementine about Kenny, but the way she went about it was reckless in my eyes. Besides, my Clem already saw the road Kenny was headed down and the actions she took to try and prove Kenny was going off the deep end was a bit much.
Now thats a childish comment. I'm not a massive Kenny fan. But because I have defended his actions over the last few episodes, I have been called insane, rabid, a nutter and a zealot to name but a few. But I'm grown up enough to let it slide.
Haters is this thread title because from experience here on the forums. People hate Kenny. Theres no other word for it.
Are you like Kenny? Are you as stubborn, pigheaded, impulsive, hot-tempered and violent as he is? Unless you are, I dont even see how you would do the same things he has done in spite of how much you defend him?
Took a beating from Carver. That's really all I can think of right now.
Jane was actually one of my favorite characters. But the fact that she lied, or even implied that the baby was dead just to get Kenny to snap so Clem would go with her...I have no sympathy for her at all. That was manipulative, and she knew that Kenny would lose it if the baby was dead, hell I was losing it when I thought she let the baby die. For this reason I let Kenny kill her, I would have shot her myself if I had the option to be honest. Then we learn that the baby was safe and hidden, all because she wanted to make Clem turn on Kenny and come with her to be what her sister Jaime could not. She explicitly said she wants Clem to see what Kenny really is, as if I was going to choose someone I'd only known for 2 days, someone who abandoned Clem once already, for someone who Clem has known for years, someone who albeit does have a bad temper, but would never ever abandon Clem, and would always protect her with his life. Jane's plan backfired, all I saw was a manipulative and coldhearted woman who sealed her own fate after having the audacity to lie about a baby dying to fuel her own agenda.
This is now the fourth thread I've read that has used "hater" in the title to explain someone's (for the most part) rational distaste for Kenny.
Guess how many threads I've seen that have used "Jane haters" as a term against Kenny supporters? You guessed it, zero. Doesn't that seem kind of biased to you?
I couldn't agree more.
Exactly. Kenny "haters" have lost all credibility to me. They will always see Kenny in a bad light, no matter what actually happens in the game.